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« Reply #800 on: April 25, 2007, 10:15:40 AM »

Translated by Dugo at RU the Telegraaf article:

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/62537481/Joran:__Ik_lieg_nog_steeds_.html?p=7,1

Joran: I am still lying

by Harrie Nijen Twilhaar
AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot (19), calls himself a pathological liar still believes in his own innocence. "I made the biggest mistake of my life by leaving Natalee alone on the beach. She lied next to me, we felt eachothers body. At that moment I thought: 'We are not going to have real sex here, I have trial exams tomorrow and just want to go home. Don't bother anymore, I thought. She can walk to the hotel with ease. That is her worry, I didn't even like her" On top of that Joran even admits he prefered to have sex with Natalees friend Ruth....

He stubbornly denies to have anything to do with the mysterious disappearence of the American student. "I am still main suspect, lied about that night on the beach but didn't harm her."

The absence of the then 18 year old American student Natalee Holloway on Aruba, now almost 2 years ago touched him mentally in a big way. "I hate myself because I lied so much, about everything. The unpleasant thing is that I am still lying every day. That comes with ease, still"


He does not try to hide it. "I thought the whole world always revolved around me. Because of that I was silent about the truth back then. That was stupidDaarom heb ik destijds de waarheid over die bewuste nacht met Natalee gezwegen. Dat was dom. That night I had sex with her and left her alone on the beach. I didn't even knew her name."

"In fact I should be treated for the constant lying, but I am too stubborn for that. I am being compared w/ OJ in the US", he says proudly.

Treatment

His parents wanted him to go to the child psychologist already before the vanishing. "I could not get on very well with my brother. I didn't mesh (Ik spoorde niet [tr?]). But I didn't like that treatment at all."

The second year student of Hogeschool van Arnhem en Nijmegen, stays self confident. He does not weant to be depicted as a murderer. In his birth town Arnhem he follows IBMS International Business Management Studies. "I want to start my own business on Aruba in the future. That is my homeland."

Today appears his autobiografie about the mess that reached the American- and even world press. "I wrote it like a diary. Not to proof my innocence, but to come to terms with it myself."

Alcohol

On the 30th of May 2004 (?????) the blond tourist vanishes without a trace after being intensely intimate on the white beach with the tall Van der Sloot for part of the night and having consumed quite some alcohol. "She wanted more, but I did not have any condoms. Then she fell asleep."

Several hours before the amorous petting he enjoyed himself together with his friends, thje brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe and female American students, among who Natalee. That happened at the blackjacktable of the Excelsior Casino of the Holiday Inn hotel. Natalee keeps pushing that she wants to come with the boys. "I told her I had a trial exam the next day."

Nevertheless he caves in under the pressure of the girl. Around midnight he is picked up from home in the pimped Honda Civic of Deepak Kalpoe. "I want to see sharks", Natalee says. The duo is dropped of at fishing huts by the friends of Van der Sloot. [part II] Hij reveals all sexual details. That he touched her breasts and reproductive organ, but didn't knew her name. "We fiddled with each others bodys. In total the meeting took three hours. But I rather have had sex with her girlfriend Ruth. She was more pretty.

Van der Sloot, who is arrested soon after, lies everything together over the next days. With his friends, the brothers Kalpoe agree when it appears that the blond American has vanished from the earth. "Why did we decide to lie (about) what happened that night? "I could not do different. They would have considered me guilty directly."

New sweathart.

The suspect in the sensational disappearance case cheated on his new sweathart as soon as he returned to Dutch soil. That relationship was over in a few days. "Fortunately I have a girlfriend who believes me unconditionaly now. I will not deceive her. For that matter, she did not read my book yet."

He became sick of the American media. "The saturation coverage of the Holloway-case resulted in high viewing figures for the big tv stations." Also the notion that Aruba, because of the vanishing and suggested coverup (they?) wanted to boycott the island economically doesn't bother him anymore now.

For the time being he doesn't want to set foot on American soil. "I think that Natalees mom can't suppress her hate feelings. The family still depicts me as criminal, perilous and corrupt"
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« Reply #801 on: April 25, 2007, 10:19:42 AM »

Interview in Metro 25 april
http://metropoint.metro.lu/20070425_Amsterdam.pdf

Joran accuses Peter R. de Vries in this article that he has burgled his student apartment in Arnhem in Oktober 2006....which De Vries attended later to ask Joran some questions...



‘De politie speelt ook echt spelletjes met je’door Jeroen van Wieringen
Geplaatst op woensdag 25 april 2007 om 10:52
Verdachte. Joran van der Sloot is nog verdachte in de vermissingszaak van de Amerikaanse tiener Natalee Holloway. De 18-jarige studente verdween eind mei 2005 op Aruba en is sindsdien spoorloos. Voor zover bekend was Van der Sloot de laatste die met haar samen is geweest. Hij zat enige tijd vast, maar de kans is aanwezig dat het onderzoek naar hem volgende maand wordt stopgezet wegens gebrek aan bewijs. Vandaag is zijn boek De zaak Natalee Holloway verschenen.

Waarom dit boek?
“Ik heb het geschreven voor mezelf, om het een beetje te verwerken. In plaats van naar de psycholoog te gaan, is dit een soort therapie. Mensen weten niet alles en nu kan ik gewoon mijn kant van het verhaal vertellen.”
Je wilde niet wachten met schrijven tot je geen verdachte meer bent?
“Nee, want ik ben voor mezelf al geen verdachte meer. Er is geen enkel bewijs van een misdrijf, of dat ik er iets mee te maken zou hebben. Ik kan best snappen dat het verdacht is dat ik leugens heb verteld, maar ik ben ervan overtuigd dat als je naar de feiten kijkt, je niet tot de conclusie kunt komen dat ik schuldig ben.”
Vorig jaar zei je dat ook jij jezelf niet zou geloven.
“Ja, als ik mij niet was en zou horen hoe de media het verhaal brachten, zou ik mezelf ook niet geloven. Ik snap ook wel dat mensen mij niet geloven.”
Zie jij jezelf ook als slachtoffer?
“Ik heb geprobeerd dat niet zo te zien. Ik hoop het niet en ik voel het ook niet. Het zijn allemaal mijn eigen beslissingen geweest. Ik vind wel dat bepaalde mensen te ver zijn gegaan, zeker ook de moeder van Natalee.”
Toch wil je die nog wel spreken...
“Nu niet meer. Ik had gehoopt dat als ik ‘uit mijn hart’ met haar zou praten, ze me wel zou geloven, maar ik denk nu dat ze altijd zal denken dat ik haar dochter iets heb aangedaan.”
Hebben Deepak en Satish, je medeverdachten, jou teleurgesteld?
“Nee, ik ben boos op ze, want Satish is mij op komen halen van het strand en dat ontkennen ze nog altijd. Ik wil ze niet meer zien; weet ook niet wat ik zou doen als ik ze toch nog eens zou zien. Maar het is wel lastig: ook de politie speelt toch echt spelletjes met je. Je wordt urenlang in donkere kamertjes gezet. Je weet zelf ook niet meer of alles nog klopt. Het beste wat ik had kunnen doen, was mijn mond houden.”
Komt je boek ook in de VS uit?
“Ik zou het niet erg vinden, maar daar zijn ze er volgens mij bang voor om het te publiceren. Misschien komt het nog wel, maar ik weet niet hoe ze er daar op zouden reageren.”
Je hebt er wel oren naar om een film te maken, las ik in je boek. Gaat die film er komen?
“Er zijn nog geen plannen.”
Maar hoe zou die film eruit zien?
“Hetzelfde als hoe ik het in mijn boek heb geschreven. Ik zie geen happy end aan dit verhaal, zelfs niet als Natalee levend wordt gevonden. Er is teveel gebeurd. Ik denk niet dat Natalee nog leeft. En ik ben er ook van overtuigd dat ze niet meer op Aruba is.”
Wat is de belangrijkste les geweest voor jou?
“Eerlijk zijn en de consequenties daarvan dragen. Ook heb ik geleerd dat er meer is dan alleen meisjes en lol maken.”
Tot slot: Peter R. de Vries wijdde vorig jaar een uitzending aan de zaak. Je vertrouwt hem niet.
“Hij denkt altijd dat hij gelijk heeft en ik weet honderd procent zeker dat hij bij mij heeft ingebroken (in zijn studentenhuis in Arnhem, red.), maar ik kan het niet bewijzen. Die uitzending vond ik heel erg en voegde niets toe aan de zaak. Hij kwam bij me aan de deur, maar ik wilde niet met hem praten. Als hij nog een keer aan de deur komt, staat er een emmer klaar. Dat meen ik echt!”
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« Reply #802 on: April 25, 2007, 10:22:00 AM »

Forward of Joran's book translated by HannieC at RU:

Forword by Joran in his book...

I tried the best I could, and translated Joran`s forword in his book;


The story about the mysterious disappearance of Natalee Holloway on may 30th 2005, has been published for the most by the American Media.
Beth Twitty's continious search for her daughter, was picked up by the tv and newspapers over there and changed in a still continued mediahype.

Attention by the press is of course not necessarily a bad thing, but the truth was often distorted, and more often there were complete stories of
me and my involvement invented. That was detrimental for me and my family, and it didn`t help in any way to find Natalee Holloway.

I want to offer my excuses. First to my parents and brothers, for all the chaos and pain I caused. Second to my ex-girlfriends Flor and Elaine,
because I lied to them and brought them in an terrible position. They didn`t deserve that.

Finally I want to apologize to Natalee`s parents, Dave Holloway and Beth Twitty, en both of their families, for the fact that I initially lied about my statements.
I can`t say that I`m agreeing with a lot of things they did, but the pain of not knowing where their daughter is and what has happened to her,
must be unconceivable. I sympathise enormously with them. I hope everyday that Natalee will be found.

In the American Media, I was sometimes portrayed as a heartless sociopath without any compassion or feeling; that picture isn`t correct at all.
They have tried to make the tv viewers, listeners and readers, believe that I was a pathological liar, a monster, a grouprapist; I would conspire
together with my corrupt father and of his contacts.

The tv-host Geraldo Rivera, called me a lowlife punk. Every night there were tv-programs with stories that I would beat up my mother and brothers. Different commentators and psychologists analyzed those comments and gave their opinions about my upbringing and my private life.

I could refute every absurd and painful lie, but the people who know me, know exactly who I am and what I`m capable of. I`m no angel, but I didn`t do anything illegal, and am definitely not a murderer.

I`m a normal 19 year old teenager, who was almost 2 years ago, at the wrong moment, at the wrong place, and took a wrong decision.
I`m an average guy, I have emotions and feelings like everybody else. I love my family and friends. I feel blessed I have such a close bond with
my parents and my two younger brothers, and that I was brought up in such a loving and close family.

Unfortunately I`ve made mistakes, mistakes which I regret deeply, and for which I take full responsibility.

I`m guilty about the lies, and that`s something I can`t change anymore. What I can do however, is trying to explain why I lied.
I will analyze every lie, and hope that there are people who are realizing that this could have happened with their son.
And maybe will they because of this, learn from my mistakes, later on make the right decisions if they are in a comparable situation.

While I`m writing this, i`m still a suspect in The Natalee Holloway Case. I hope that someday it will be clear what happened to her, how terrible that maybe could be.
Just then I will be rehabilitated, and can go on with my life.

Joran van der Sloot
Arnhem, april 2007
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« Reply #803 on: April 25, 2007, 10:25:32 AM »

NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

Aruba: Protest against the Choller Problem again … Why no Protests Ever for Natalee Holloway?


http://tinyurl.com/yoecvq
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« Reply #804 on: April 25, 2007, 10:31:27 AM »

That translation from the forward in Joran's book has my blood boiling.

Beth and Dave don't need apologies, they need the TRUTH about what happened to Natalie, and they need it from the POS that is writing that self-serving piece of crap!
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« Reply #805 on: April 25, 2007, 10:41:24 AM »

Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
"Instead of Joran's story., how about a time-line from Mr. Delicious?"


Good point, Rob.

I agree.  But what they are doing now is Paulus is setting up interviews for his murdering son with stipulations that they are not to ask him certain questions.

Sort of like the question take us back to the beginning the night Natalee disappeared.  He will not answer questions like that.  He will not answer questions that have arised from the police car conversation.  He will not answer why did your father first say he picked you up at 4:00 am and then change his story to 11:00 pm.  Why was a camera returned to Freddy.  Why did you say you went to school the next day and your father says you didn't.  Why did your father say you were in therapy and when you were on Greta you said you were never in therapy.  It goes on and on.  The more we hear the more questions we have.
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« Reply #806 on: April 25, 2007, 10:45:16 AM »

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Quote from: "JusticeforNatalee"
"Instead of Joran's story., how about a time-line from Mr. Delicious?"


Good point, Rob.

I agree.  But what they are doing now is Paulus is setting up interviews for his murdering son with stipulations that they are not to ask him certain questions.

Sort of like the question take us back to the beginning the night Natalee disappeared.  He will not answer questions like that.  He will not answer questions that have arised from the police car conversation.  He will not answer why did your father first say he picked you up at 4:00 am and then change his story to 11:00 pm.  Why was a camera returned to Freddy.  Why did you say you went to school the next day and your father says you didn't.  Why did your father say you were in therapy and when you were on Greta you said you were never in therapy.  It goes on and on.  The more we hear the more questions we have.


   That's already the post of the day, San!!!!
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Quote from: "klaasend"
Interview in Metro 25 april
http://metropoint.metro.lu/20070425_Amsterdam.pdf

Joran accuses Peter R. de Vries in this article that he has burgled his student apartment in Arnhem in Oktober 2006....which De Vries attended later to ask Joran some questions...




Now hasn't Joran learned that it is not nice to accuse.  There is absolutely no evidence that supports these false accusations that Peter R. de Vries burgled his apartment.  None whatsoever.

I see that pepper nose is still red.   Look at the bags under his eyes.  He is so ugly Laughing
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« Reply #809 on: April 25, 2007, 10:51:10 AM »

I was just doing a quick fly by and noticed this picture San.  I was thinking exactly whatyou wrote.  He looks crappy.  Bags under the eyes, a half a$$ 5 o'clock shadow, that nose and his red ears!  he's not looking like some hottie that chicks would be flocking over to get a chance to be with.
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« Reply #810 on: April 25, 2007, 11:00:50 AM »

What a POS.  "She" wanted to be with me.  Good grief.  He has a lot of nerve saying he really wanted to be with her other friend.  And he didn't even know her name.  Yeah, right.  

And I'm confused now.  Did he have a condom or didnt' he?  He says he had sex with her.  I thought he wouldn't do that because he didnt' have a condom?  Which is it?  You either had a condom or didn't.  You either had sex or you didn't.  Which is it?  Do you even know?  

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« Reply #811 on: April 25, 2007, 11:02:38 AM »

Quote from: "crazybabyborg"
That translation from the forward in Joran's book has my blood boiling.

Beth and Dave don't need apologies, they need the TRUTH about what happened to Natalie, and they need it from the POS that is writing that self-serving piece of crap!



CBB, Joran said it best, "I am still lying."

Why would any sane Dutch person would want to spend a dime on his book when he admits he is still telling lies?

He proudly compares himself to O.J. Simpson? What a fool.
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« Reply #812 on: April 25, 2007, 11:03:31 AM »

Just posted by Medleyrelay at FOB regarding the Telegraaf article that headlines that Joran is still lying:

This article was written by Floor Ligtvoet and she is not someone that is in any way favorable to the Van der Sloots!

You have to take these articles sometimes and realize that there is a background of prejudice with some! This persons thinking is more in line with the Jossys and Monkey poo thinkers!!

Her opinons would be well accepted in the Diario - so I think it is always best to consider the SOURCE - with some of this.
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« Reply #813 on: April 25, 2007, 11:04:19 AM »

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Quote from: "klaasend"
Interview in Metro 25 april
http://metropoint.metro.lu/20070425_Amsterdam.pdf

Joran accuses Peter R. de Vries in this article that he has burgled his student apartment in Arnhem in Oktober 2006....which De Vries attended later to ask Joran some questions...




Now hasn't Joran learned that it is not nice to accuse.  There is absolutely no evidence that supports these false accusations that Peter R. de Vries burgled his apartment.  None whatsoever.

I see that pepper nose is still red.   Look at the bags under his eyes.  He is so ugly Laughing



I am looking forward to Peter de Vries response. He probably knows a few things he hasn't let out of the bag yet.
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« Reply #814 on: April 25, 2007, 11:05:34 AM »

Quote from: "klaasend"
Forward of Joran's book translated by HannieC at RU:

Forword by Joran in his book...

I tried the best I could, and translated Joran`s forword in his book;


The story about the mysterious disappearance of Natalee Holloway on may 30th 2005, has been published for the most by the American Media.
Beth Twitty's continious search for her daughter, was picked up by the tv and newspapers over there and changed in a still continued mediahype.

Attention by the press is of course not necessarily a bad thing, but the truth was often distorted, and more often there were complete stories of
me and my involvement invented. That was detrimental for me and my family, and it didn`t help in any way to find Natalee Holloway.

I want to offer my excuses. First to my parents and brothers, for all the chaos and pain I caused. Second to my ex-girlfriends Flor and Elaine,
because I lied to them and brought them in an terrible position. They didn`t deserve that.

Finally I want to apologize to Natalee`s parents, Dave Holloway and Beth Twitty, en both of their families, for the fact that I initially lied about my statements.
I can`t say that I`m agreeing with a lot of things they did, but the pain of not knowing where their daughter is and what has happened to her,
must be unconceivable. I sympathise enormously with them. I hope everyday that Natalee will be found.

In the American Media, I was sometimes portrayed as a heartless sociopath without any compassion or feeling; that picture isn`t correct at all.
They have tried to make the tv viewers, listeners and readers, believe that I was a pathological liar, a monster, a grouprapist; I would conspire
together with my corrupt father and of his contacts.

The tv-host Geraldo Rivera, called me a lowlife punk. Every night there were tv-programs with stories that I would beat up my mother and brothers. Different commentators and psychologists analyzed those comments and gave their opinions about my upbringing and my private life.

I could refute every absurd and painful lie, but the people who know me, know exactly who I am and what I`m capable of. I`m no angel, but I didn`t do anything illegal, and am definitely not a murderer.

I`m a normal 19 year old teenager, who was almost 2 years ago, at the wrong moment, at the wrong place, and took a wrong decision.
I`m an average guy, I have emotions and feelings like everybody else. I love my family and friends. I feel blessed I have such a close bond with
my parents and my two younger brothers, and that I was brought up in such a loving and close family.

Unfortunately I`ve made mistakes, mistakes which I regret deeply, and for which I take full responsibility.

I`m guilty about the lies, and that`s something I can`t change anymore. What I can do however, is trying to explain why I lied.
I will analyze every lie, and hope that there are people who are realizing that this could have happened with their son.
And maybe will they because of this, learn from my mistakes, later on make the right decisions if they are in a comparable situation.

While I`m writing this, i`m still a suspect in The Natalee Holloway Case. I hope that someday it will be clear what happened to her, how terrible that maybe could be.
Just then I will be rehabilitated, and can go on with my life.

Joran van der Sloot
Arnhem, april 2007

What a bunch of BS.  Here Joran I think you need these.

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« Reply #815 on: April 25, 2007, 11:07:11 AM »

Quote from: "klaasend"
Just posted by Medleyrelay at FOB regarding the Telegraaf article that headlines that Joran is still lying:

This article was written by Floor Ligtvoet and she is not someone that is in any way favorable to the Van der Sloots!

You have to take these articles sometimes and realize that there is a background of prejudice with some! This persons thinking is more in line with the Jossys and Monkey poo thinkers!!

Her opinons would be well accepted in the Diario - so I think it is always best to consider the SOURCE - with some of this.


Bless her heart.  

What a SNOWJOB the VDS have done on her.....

(I wonder if that's her high school picture in her avatar.  Nevermind, I guess if that were true, it would be in sepia.  
Nevermind. )
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« Reply #816 on: April 25, 2007, 11:07:50 AM »

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NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

Aruba: Protest against the Choller Problem again … Why no Protests Ever for Natalee Holloway?


http://tinyurl.com/yoecvq
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« Reply #817 on: April 25, 2007, 11:09:04 AM »

San - LOL  Laughing
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« Reply #818 on: April 25, 2007, 11:09:49 AM »

snip: I`m guilty about the lies, and that`s something I can`t change anymore. What I can do however, is trying to explain why I lied.
I will analyze every lie

Now this may take a while.... Of course, when he lied to cover a lie, that he lied about with another lie of the lie he told when he lied about the first lie...  Hell, that's pretty well impossible he remembers what lies he lied about in the first place. Shocked  Very Happy
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« Reply #819 on: April 25, 2007, 11:11:08 AM »

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Quote from: "klaasend"
Just posted by Medleyrelay at FOB regarding the Telegraaf article that headlines that Joran is still lying:

This article was written by Floor Ligtvoet and she is not someone that is in any way favorable to the Van der Sloots!

You have to take these articles sometimes and realize that there is a background of prejudice with some! This persons thinking is more in line with the Jossys and Monkey poo thinkers!!

Her opinons would be well accepted in the Diario - so I think it is always best to consider the SOURCE - with some of this.


Bless her heart.  

What a SNOWJOB the VDS have done on her.....

(I wonder if that's her high school picture in her avatar.  Nevermind, I guess if that were true, it would be in sepia.  
Nevermind. )


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