Caylee Marie Anthony MURDER TRIAL - DAY 26 - 6/23/11

[melisb]

If, and that's a big if, Cindy did happen to Google chloroform then maybe just maybe at the end of the day she went snooping through Casey's history?  Wait, if Casey deleted the history isn't there an administrator way to look up things on the computer even if deleted.  Is Cindy smart enough to do that if so?  I'll bet Casey put herself as administrator!  Help me computer Monkeys.  Dumb it down please.  I too have only worked where there were computer specific programs all interoffice and corporate.

[strawberry thunder]

Yes, ZooMom, It was my understanding as well that the searches for How to Make Chloroform etc.  were among those deleted.

You can't delete a "search". It's all or nothing. When you delete history, that's exactly what gets deleted. History. All of it.

Right, but you said Cindy does not delete, Bitch does.  Why would searches Cindy did be found in the deleted section and not in the regular history???  Cindy does not delete anything.  You saying, when Bitch deleted she deleted Cindy's stuff too? 

Not exactly. What I'm saying is, when Casey deleted the history, it deleted the history for everything accessed. That includes, but not limited to the searches Cindy made.

[Missiontoconvict]

Have not found chlorophyll searches yet.  I will keep looking.  I noticed that call to Cindy as well.  Will need to go into the phone records to find out.  Does someone have a list handy of what Rosebud said on the stand she searched for and what she denied were her searches?

Thanks Northern. I am searching for the phone records sure would love to know the number and the time she called Cindy. Chances are she called Cindy at work while sitting on the computer.

[Anna]

Yes, ZooMom, It was my understanding as well that the searches for How to Make Chloroform etc.  were among those deleted.

You can't delete a "search". It's all or nothing. When you delete history, that's exactly what gets deleted. History. All of it.

Exactly and only Casey deleted.  Ergo, Casey was searching "How to Make Chloroform."

[Puzzler]

Sindy's attorney, Lippman, is surely worried about people believing his client lied today.  Actually, he said SHE is worried about it.  As she and he should be.

He has a tiger by the tail.

You just hit the nail on the head!  What's Lipmann - the 3rd attorney for the A's?

[Grandma2Maddie]

Can someone help me with something that has puzzled me from the beginning? If it has been addressed I missed it.

If Casey was not chloroforming Caylee and leaving her in the car while she partied or was with hanging with friends, then who WAS babysitting Caylee? Sometimes it was George and Cindy, but there were many times she told her parents that Zanny was babysitting. SO, if Caylee wasn't with Casey and wasn't with G&C where was she? No one else has come forward to say they babysat for her have they?

Remember the night Ricardo said he was in bed with both Casey and Caylee and when he woke up, Caylee was gone and Casey said she took her home to Cindy in the middle of the night?  I certainly don't believe for one minute she did and Cindy certainly claims to have not seen Caylee, etc.

So where was she?  And where was she all the other times Casey was out clubbing or whatever?

I we only knew that, I believe we would know exactly what happened.

That is the million dollar question.  I really believe that she was in and out of that vacant house down the street from hers.   I also think she got the idea of the chloroform from RM's computer that said win her over with chloroform. 

[wreck]

Yes, ZooMom, It was my understanding as well that the searches for How to Make Chloroform etc.  were among those deleted.

You can't delete a "search". It's all or nothing. When you delete history, that's exactly what gets deleted. History. All of it.

I am not going to argue anymore after this. I DO understand how "spiders" and "crawlers" "search" the internet. It is NOT the same as a "Google" search where you physically type in an inquiry. THIS is what they are taliking about in this case. 84 typed in inquiries. Second, just because you "delete" your history to cover your tracks -- your "searches" are still recoverable by computer forensic experts. I have taken seminars from AT&T on how spiders search the internet to bring up "keywords" for advertising on the net. It has NOTHING to do with what is being examined in this case.

[Titch]

Don't know if anyone has said this as I went from my phone at 5pm to now and wanted to let you know that the State need go no further than Gentiva!  I worked there for 4 years and Cindy held an office position and let me tell you she told some whopper lies besides looking up chloroform sp?!!  Everyday there is a meeting and a sign in sheet, any chart, nurse she advised, conversation she had in re ANY pt, will be in that nurses notes and in the chart.  Any memo/email she generated or answered is kept!  If she reviewed a chart her initials are there, if she recieved a doctors order-she signed it.  What they will not allow you to do is claim you are at work and get paid for it.  If you leave that office (unless an emergency) a superior must rec your request and sign off on it, salaried or not.  I was salaried and in the field but definately allowed overtime but to take time off even if on the spur of the moment you must fill out a request that goes to payroll and in your chart!!!! If she was in the office she was logged in on her computer with her password and will be accounted for.  District Gentiva offices/and corp can pull records from all locations! Basically what I'm saying is I'm sure she had enemies at work and her goose is cooked!  Stick a fork in the beeotch cuz she's done!!!!!!!

I am sure you are correct.  What Cindy described is a total violation of even basic Wage and Hour laws and the company she worked for could be sued for any overtime regardless if logged or not.  Every employer should know this and is liable for any violation like false records even if they only have one employee.

A big company like that is going to have massive legal input and just wouldn't take the chance of a massive employee suit against them.

Totally agree. Also, don't know what happened in my last post that I quoted you in it too. Sorry Melis.

[ZooMomology]

Yes, ZooMom, It was my understanding as well that the searches for How to Make Chloroform etc.  were among those deleted.

You can't delete a "search". It's all or nothing. When you delete history, that's exactly what gets deleted. History. All of it.

Right, but you said Cindy does not delete, Bitch does.  Why would searches Cindy did be found in the deleted section and not in the regular history???  Cindy does not delete anything.  You saying, when Bitch deleted she deleted Cindy's stuff too? 

Not exactly. What I'm saying is, when Casey deleted the history, it deleted the history for everything accessed. That includes, but not limited to the searches Cindy made.

Except for, I believe the wench used firefox, cindy uses IE.  This is crazy.  Wench searched for how to make chloroform.  Cindy searched for chlorphyll and effects on her dogs.  Big difference.  I want to see if the computer searches showed chlrophyll. 

[Anna]

Casey had a passworded account.  Everyone else used the only other one on the computer.

[Ono]

I am totally convinced now that KC is a full blown psychopath. Anna made an amazing observation re Cindy and the dogs. I bet KC tested her recipe of chloroform on the dogs first, as Anna suggested... wow.. just wow.. The Ants better hope KC NEVER gets out because she will kill again

What kind of weirdo family has two people doing  chloroform searches.  The only way I'd buy it is if for whatever wacko reason she had Cindy looked up something to do with chloroform and Casey heard about it and thought that ain't a bad idea at all

Unless they were into neighborhood "Do it yourself" surgery on the kitchen table --- discount prices, don'cha know?   

[Puzzler]

Magpie reports 6/22-23

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/06/23/caylee-anthony-case-magpie-reports-0622-and-062311/

[Tamikosmom]

CINDY ANTHONY - THE CHLOROFORM SEARCHES

June 23, 2011 5:22 PM Print Text
Casey Anthony Trial Update: Casey's mom grilled after chloroform search claim

According to a transcript of the deposition Cindy Anthony gave for the state in 2009, she said she may have looked up the ingredients in chloroform, but not how to make it. She said she learned it could make an animal sick.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20073802-504083.html


DEPOSITION OF: CYNTHIA MARIE ANTHONY

Orlando, Florida
July 28, 2009

<snipped>

BY MS. DRANE BURDICK:

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Q Okay. How about Casey?

A No.

Q All right. There is a search for how to make chloroform on your desktop computer. Did you make that search?

A I'm not sure.

Q Why not?

A Because I remember looking up chlorophyl back in March of last year, and I am not sure if I looked up chloroform as well. I looked up alcohol and several other things like at that -- like ethyl alcohol and peroxide, too.

Q W h y ?

A I was researching things that -- as far as the chlorophyl --

Q U h - h u h .

A -- and possibly chloroform because of my animals because my Cocker -- or my Yorkies would eat a lot of bamboo leaves and I know there's chlorophyl in those leaves and they were getting sick, quite sick. And I had previously lost two Cocker Spaniels, and I wanted to see if there was any tie. I had never thought about that with the cancer and stuff that I lost the Cocker, so I started researching

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different things. As far as the alcohol and peroxide, I researched just -- I was looking through different things that was in our cabinets to make sure that there
was nothing that we had in our cabinets that Caylee would get into because we didn't keep, like, you know, cleaning supplies in the bathrooms. The only thing I kept in the bottom bathrooms that we had locked was alcohol and peroxide. And I knew alcohol could be costly, but I wasn't sure about the peroxide because I know you can gargle with it, and I know you can drink some peroxide, but I wanted to see how much could hurt, in case she ever got into anything.

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http://www.thehinkymeter.com/Library/CMA/depos/cindyanthonydepo072809.pdf

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310276/detail.html

[strawberry thunder]

Yes, ZooMom, It was my understanding as well that the searches for How to Make Chloroform etc.  were among those deleted.

You can't delete a "search". It's all or nothing. When you delete history, that's exactly what gets deleted. History. All of it.

I am not going to argue anymore after this. I DO understand how "spiders" and "crawlers" "search" the internet. It is NOT the same as a "Google" search where you physically type in an inquiry. THIS is what they are taliking about in this case. 84 typed in inquiries. Second, just because you "delete" your history to cover your tracks -- your "searches" are still recoverable by computer forensic experts. I have taken seminars from AT&T on how spiders search the internet to bring up "keywords" for advertising on the net. It has NOTHING to do with what is being examined in this case.

Of course it can still be traced. That isn't the argument.

But, you're wrong. Crawlers can auto-complete in search engines.

[Grandma2Maddie]

Yes, ZooMom, It was my understanding as well that the searches for How to Make Chloroform etc.  were among those deleted.

You can't delete a "search". It's all or nothing. When you delete history, that's exactly what gets deleted. History. All of it.

Right, but you said Cindy does not delete, Bitch does.  Why would searches Cindy did be found in the deleted section and not in the regular history???  Cindy does not delete anything.  You saying, when Bitch deleted she deleted Cindy's stuff too? 

Not exactly. What I'm saying is, when Casey deleted the history, it deleted the history for everything accessed. That includes, but not limited to the searches Cindy made.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this.  I'm just glad there is an IT guy on the jury and a couple of nurses.

[Northern Rose]

::snipping2::

Monday, March 17, 2008
casey anthony cashes $20 check from shirley pleasa for birthday at Chickasaw Amscot
Monday, March 17, 2008
george anthony work records from security forces inc. show he WAS NOT working this day of chloroform searches
Monday, March 17, 2008
cindy anthony work records from gentiva show she WAS working this day of chloroform searches
Monday, March 17, 2008
home computer searches
13:43-55 google searches for "chloraform" "alcohol" "acetone" "peroxide"; wikipedia search
13:53-58 for "inhalation" "chloroform" "alcohol" "acetone" "peroxide" "hydrogen peroxide" and "death"Monday, March 17, 2008
casey phone records
text to ricardo 1:09 p.m., then gets text from unknown at 1:39 p.m., then gets M2M TEXT from 407-267-17XX (kelly jo) at 2:03 p.m.; calls from ricardo at 1:35 p.m. (1 min), calls him back at 3:35 p.m. (1 min), then calls cindy at 4:24 for 6 mins, gets call from ryan at 4:35 (1 min)

Wednesday, March 19, 2008
casey's 22nd birthday
Wednesday, March 19, 2008
home computer searches
10:30-40 a.m. one tree hill 100th episode
Wednesday, March 19, 2008
ricardo morales takes pictures of casey and caylee at his house -- sold to tabloid

Thursday, March 20, 2008
casey photograph taken with polaroid at 7:06 a.m., posted 5/20-27/08 on cupid.com casey member profile

Friday, March 21, 2008
home computer searches
14:16-28 google searches for "shovel" "neck breaking" "household weapons" "self defense" "how to make chloroform" and Wikipedia search for "shovel"; also searches on blogspot.com, sci-spot.com, druglibrary.org and instructables.com for "making weapons out of household products," "chloroform habit," "chloroform" "how to make chloroform" and "chloro2"Friday, March 21, 2008
george anthony work records from security forces inc. Show he was working this day of chloroform searches 7 a.m. to 5 p.m.
Friday, March 21, 2008
casey phone records
no calls from 10:38 a.m. with ryan pasley (2 mins) to 4:08 p.m. 30-minute call with "the reid", though texts with troy 4:47-56 p.m. and amy 1:04-1:15 p.m.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2011/0224/26984466.pdf
 

phone call - interesting - love to know what Cindy's phone records say where she was at that time with her phone

Cindy said she looked up chlorophyll
looked for chloroform - spelled incorrectly with an "a" - maybe it was chloraform
looked up alcohol
looked up acetone
looked up peroxcide

Said she did not key in search string "how to make chloroform"
Did not search household weapons
Did not search shovel

Did not do search for neck-breaking - but there was a pop-up of skateboarder

Cindy's searches are in blue
unknown searcher in green
popup of neckbreaking in purple.

Ya, right! 

[Puzzler]

Yes, ZooMom, It was my understanding as well that the searches for How to Make Chloroform etc.  were among those deleted.

You can't delete a "search". It's all or nothing. When you delete history, that's exactly what gets deleted. History. All of it.

I am not going to argue anymore after this. I DO understand how "spiders" and "crawlers" "search" the internet. It is NOT the same as a "Google" search where you physically type in an inquiry. THIS is what they are taliking about in this case. 84 typed in inquiries. Second, just because you "delete" your history to cover your tracks -- your "searches" are still recoverable by computer forensic experts. I have taken seminars from AT&T on how spiders search the internet to bring up "keywords" for advertising on the net. It has NOTHING to do with what is being examined in this case.

wreck - TY for the good info

[cheeky monkey]

Here is what wld matter to me if I was on the jury:
1. Dead baby found with duct tape in woods and triple bagged
2. Mothers car smelled like decomp - testimony by numerous people
3. Mother abandoned that car for no good reason
4. Mother partied her ass off for a month while child was dead
5. Mother never called 911 about her child - only spoke to dispatch after they were called by Cindy
6. Mother laughs at theories suggesting an accidental drowning

[marycat]

Can someone help me with something that has puzzled me from the beginning? If it has been addressed I missed it.

If Casey was not chloroforming Caylee and leaving her in the car while she partied or was with hanging with friends, then who WAS babysitting Caylee? Sometimes it was George and Cindy, but there were many times she told her parents that Zanny was babysitting. SO, if Caylee wasn't with Casey and wasn't with G&C where was she? No one else has come forward to say they babysat for her have they?

Nobody knows. That was asked a lot in the opening statement by the state - where was caylee

Thanks, Cheeky! I missed the 1st few days of the trial and had to miss today, too. It just seems to me that if she ever, even once, had a legit sitter she would be naming names and/or they would be coming forward. I think the car was the babysitter as awful as that is to imagine and that Caylee was quiet when she first started confining her in the trunk, then gradually started making noise and Casey had to do something to silence her before someone outside the club heard noises coming from the trunk. Hence the chloroform and the duct tape.

Guilty! Guilty! Guilty!

And I don't for a minute believe Cindy did the lookups on chloroform. I hope the jury sees through her.

[yuknomenot]

they are saying on NG that no prosecutor would go after her for what she testified to on the stand.  That irritates me, just because she is grieving does not mean she is above the law.  If she perjured herself, I think they should go after her for it. 

I am not so sure.. LDB went after her about the selective memory due to 'medication'..
That was a shot across the bow of what may come

Cindy first brought up being medicated in her initial testimony, it's mentioned briefly here http://www.baynews9.com/article/news/2011/may/254277/ but an actual transcript of her testimony would be better.  My recall (though often faulty) is that she mentioned it more than once.

She mentioned it back then to direct attention from Casey.  She lied then too!!

I am way behind, but I am beginning to think the only difference between Cindy and Casey is that Cindy didn't kill her daughter.  Yet.

Looks like maybe she should have.... then caylee may still be alive

Yes she would be, but I'd hope that Cindy wouldn't be raising her.