Caylee Marie Anthony MURDER TRIAL - DAY 26 - 6/23/11

[BluesyGram]

Don't know if anyone has said this as I went from my phone at 5pm to now and wanted to let you know that the State need go no further than Gentiva!  I worked there for 4 years and Cindy held an office position and let me tell you she told some whopper lies besides looking up chloroform sp?!!  Everyday there is a meeting and a sign in sheet, any chart, nurse she advised, conversation she had in re ANY pt, will be in that nurses notes and in the chart.  Any memo/email she generated or answered is kept!  If she reviewed a chart her initials are there, if she recieved a doctors order-she signed it.  What they will not allow you to do is claim you are at work and get paid for it.  If you leave that office (unless an emergency) a superior must rec your request and sign off on it, salaried or not.  I was salaried and in the field but definately allowed overtime but to take time off even if on the spur of the moment you must fill out a request that goes to payroll and in your chart!!!! If she was in the office she was logged in on her computer with her password and will be accounted for.  District Gentiva offices/and corp can pull records from all locations! Basically what I'm saying is I'm sure she had enemies at work and her goose is cooked!  Stick a fork in the beeotch cuz she's done!!!!!!!

Sorry if someone already commented on this (reading backwards)

GeeZam Melisb...thanks for letting us know about this.  Just wow!    So much for the "I make my own hours".  I worked for a very large corp. in a satellite office....left to go to the Dr. was in open heart surgery that evening..and didn't go back....nobody ever had to ask me my password (wasn't a medical co. but we had proprietary info on the comp. & emails).  What did Sindy think?  They were going to just chunk her computer out because nobody could use it since she didn't give them the password?

States all over this I'm sure.

[Anna]

I am totally convinced now that KC is a full blown psychopath. Anna made an amazing observation re Cindy and the dogs. I bet KC tested her recipe of chloroform on the dogs first, as Anna suggested... wow.. just wow.. The Ants better hope KC NEVER gets out because she will kill again

What kind of weirdo family has two people doing  chloroform searches.  The only way I'd buy it is if for whatever wacko reason she had Cindy looked up something to do with chloroform and Casey heard about it and thought that ain't a bad idea at all

Unless they were into neighborhood "Do it yourself" surgery on the kitchen table --- discount prices, don'cha know?   

Exactly!  What are the odds of BOTH of them being into chloroform inquiries?  But I think Cindy found or overheard something or had a dropdown search show up which she followed.  She suspected something and not about the dogs and bamboo.

[Ono]

I mean, is she really trying to explain how a company would not be able to access her work email accounts?  Work emails (amongst other things) basically are the property of that company.  How the Hell does she think the Government can't verify her info??

    I don't know, but she's in big time trouble now, methinks!

Stupid bozo probably told her that. I really want them to do some investigating because I feel like there was some witness tampering here.

Oh, me too---and that's the tip of the iceberg, in my view.

[BluesyGram]

Strawberry have you listened to the jail house visits between the family & ICA?

I have.

What did you think about them?  Why would ICA lie to LE about the Nanny, etc.?

[ZooMomology]

Yes, ZooMom, It was my understanding as well that the searches for How to Make Chloroform etc.  were among those deleted.

You can't delete a "search". It's all or nothing. When you delete history, that's exactly what gets deleted. History. All of it.

I am not going to argue anymore after this. I DO understand how "spiders" and "crawlers" "search" the internet. It is NOT the same as a "Google" search where you physically type in an inquiry. THIS is what they are taliking about in this case. 84 typed in inquiries. Second, just because you "delete" your history to cover your tracks -- your "searches" are still recoverable by computer forensic experts. I have taken seminars from AT&T on how spiders search the internet to bring up "keywords" for advertising on the net. It has NOTHING to do with what is being examined in this case.

Of course it can still be traced. That isn't the argument.

But, you're wrong. Crawlers can auto-complete in search engines.

I love people who tell others they are wrong.  Usually we add I believe, or I thought, or I was under the impression, we don't usually tell other posters they are flat out wrong. 

You should probably call up Hosay Bozo bayez, he might need you in the next few days.  You can be his computer expert.  If you don't mind not getting paid.

[Grandma2Maddie]

Here is what wld matter to me if I was on the jury:
1. Dead baby found with duct tape in woods and triple bagged
2. Mothers car smelled like decomp - testimony by numerous people
3. Mother abandoned that car for no good reason
4. Mother partied her ass off for a month while child was dead
5. Mother never called 911 about her child - only spoke to dispatch after they were called by Cindy
6. Mother laughs at theories suggesting an accidental drowning

Adding when she spoke to dispatch there was no urgency to finding Caylee either.   No emotion.

[Ono]

Hey Monkeys!

Been a while since I posted. Can rarely catch a break.

What'd everyone think of the shocker today with Cindy taking the fall for the searches? IMO, she was pretty concise and convincing. I happen to believe her. I know that isn't going to be the general consensus. I think that threw a major monkey wrench in the prosecution. Linda Drane Burdick was clearly agitated. While I do believe Casey is in some way responsible for Caylee's death, I have never believed the chloroform accusations.

I completely disagree and I believe Cindy's work records among other things will prove that she is lying.  The only thing Cindy did today was showed the world where Casey learned to lie.  You are definately in the MINORITY here.

I don't mind being in the minority.

Having worked in administration myself, it is entirely possible to be logged at work while you are not there. Especially if you had been there earlier in the day, and quite often with those of us on salary. Those logs really don't mean much.

I won't argue that some companies may be lax and skirt the rules/laws. But how you could POSSIBLY watch that and come away thinking Cindy "was pretty concise and convincing" is beyond comprehension to me! Did you see her claim that she "didn't know what the computer searched for 'on it's own'!"

Apparently I am not the only one who found her convincing. The analysts agreed as well. Also, it spoke volumes seeing Linda Drane Burdick visibly and vocally upset.

To be clear, your computer can "search" without you actually doing the searching. It feeds off of your cookies and cache, hence spam and popups.  She was not inaccurate with her assertion.

I am not taking up for Casey, if that is how I am coming across. I am looking at this trial from an objective and unbiased stand-point. If I were sitting on that jury I would tell you straight up that the defense established reasonable doubt today.

I'm glad you aren't a member of the jury. lol

[marycat]

Can someone help me with something that has puzzled me from the beginning? If it has been addressed I missed it.

If Casey was not chloroforming Caylee and leaving her in the car while she partied or was with hanging with friends, then who WAS babysitting Caylee? Sometimes it was George and Cindy, but there were many times she told her parents that Zanny was babysitting. SO, if Caylee wasn't with Casey and wasn't with G&C where was she? No one else has come forward to say they babysat for her have they?

Remember the night Ricardo said he was in bed with both Casey and Caylee and when he woke up, Caylee was gone and Casey said she took her home to Cindy in the middle of the night?  I certainly don't believe for one minute she did and Cindy certainly claims to have not seen Caylee, etc.

So where was she?  And where was she all the other times Casey was out clubbing or whatever?

I we only knew that, I believe we would know exactly what happened.

Exactly! I always thought she just took her down to the car so Caylee wouldn't be in the way and went back up to bed with Ricardo.

[Anna]

Well, I've had Yorkies and I've had bamboo.  I think March for the shoots would be a little early even for Florida.  Not much a Yorkie can do with the older plants.  But just call a vet if you have questions.

BTW, I don't think bamboo results in any harmful effects on any animal that eats it and horses absolutely love it.

If it were later than March, the Yorksters might munch on the new shoots but the old stuff in March, not so much.

[Ono]

Going to bed.I am no longer responsible for any action taken by my computer.

LOL!!   The heck you say--we're taking notes.

[Ono]

Can someone riddle me this, the day they found the car and it smelled "like there had been a damn dead body in the trunk", 31 days after she had last seen her grandchild, rather than calling the police, rather than calling 911, what did Cindy do?

She followed Geo home and went back to work.  She went back to work where she told her story and her co-workers thought she was nuts that she was there  and THEY had to convince her to leave to find out what was going on.  On the day you smell a car that smells of decomp and you go back to work, yet you leave in the middle of the day to go home to play google I'm Felling Lucky?

I think not.

Ditto.

[Samarie]

Don't know if anyone has said this as I went from my phone at 5pm to now and wanted to let you know that the State need go no further than Gentiva!  I worked there for 4 years and Cindy held an office position and let me tell you she told some whopper lies besides looking up chloroform sp?!!  Everyday there is a meeting and a sign in sheet, any chart, nurse she advised, conversation she had in re ANY pt, will be in that nurses notes and in the chart.  Any memo/email she generated or answered is kept!  If she reviewed a chart her initials are there, if she recieved a doctors order-she signed it.  What they will not allow you to do is claim you are at work and get paid for it.  If you leave that office (unless an emergency) a superior must rec your request and sign off on it, salaried or not.  I was salaried and in the field but definately allowed overtime but to take time off even if on the spur of the moment you must fill out a request that goes to payroll and in your chart!!!! If she was in the office she was logged in on her computer with her password and will be accounted for.  District Gentiva offices/and corp can pull records from all locations! Basically what I'm saying is I'm sure she had enemies at work and her goose is cooked!  Stick a fork in the beeotch cuz she's done!!!!!!!

Apparently I am not the only one who found her convincing. The analysts agreed as well. Also, it spoke volumes seeing Linda Drane Burdick visibly and vocally upset.

To be clear, your computer can "search" without you actually doing the searching. It feeds off of your cookies and cache, hence spam and popups.  She was not inaccurate with her assertion.

I am not taking up for Casey, if that is how I am coming across. I am looking at this trial from an objective and unbiased stand-point. If I were sitting on that jury I would tell you straight up that the defense established reasonable doubt today.

I think bozo forgot they have a computer specialist on that jury. I can tell you that a computer DOES NOT look things up on it's own from cookies. There was a reason those particular searches had been DELETED and not others.

From reading the tweets from persons in the courtroom it appeared as if none of the jurors even believed her. They said they were NOT taking notes and some were even rolling their eyes at each other. She did not fool those people and she will pay a heavy price for her lies. Much of her testimony today did not match her depositions which if the state chooses, they can prosecute her for not only for perjury if they choose but go back and charge her with obstruction of justice for her past acts after this trial is over.

She will be recalled to testify and I have a feeling it is not going to be pretty, as I am betting that Ashton left while she was lying to get a subpoena for all her records and the office staff there.

There is also a couple nurses on the jury too!     Computers do NOT do searches while no one is at them. 

It doesn't "search", per se. What it does is what is called "crawling". Your computer, my computer and every other computer "crawls" the web for similar searches you have made, similar sites you have visited.

That's only possible IF the cache & history weren't deleted on a consistent basis. That's how anybody that can read can figure out who was doing the searches. George & Cindy never cleaned & deleted ANY history...however...CASEY DELETED HER HISTORY ON A DAILY CONSISTENT BASIS.

I'm not shouting but I want people to remember...Casey covered her ass on a daily basis.

No disrespect, but you just solved your own mystery. Casey deleted, C&G did not. Cindy is the one claiming to have made the searches.

Weren't these searches found in the deleted aliquots or whatever they called it?  So somebody deleted them?

You just said Casey frequently deleted her history. Which, considering the person she is/was, that is not unusual. Keep in mind they used the same computer.

The computer forensic expert testified, on the witness stand, that the A's desktop computer was 4yrs old and and the history, caches and cookies were all intact, with the exception of the firefox browser, whose history had been deleted in the early morning hours of July 16, 2008. Only KC had access to firefox, it was password protected....

[strawberry thunder]

Yes, ZooMom, It was my understanding as well that the searches for How to Make Chloroform etc.  were among those deleted.

You can't delete a "search". It's all or nothing. When you delete history, that's exactly what gets deleted. History. All of it.

I am not going to argue anymore after this. I DO understand how "spiders" and "crawlers" "search" the internet. It is NOT the same as a "Google" search where you physically type in an inquiry. THIS is what they are taliking about in this case. 84 typed in inquiries. Second, just because you "delete" your history to cover your tracks -- your "searches" are still recoverable by computer forensic experts. I have taken seminars from AT&T on how spiders search the internet to bring up "keywords" for advertising on the net. It has NOTHING to do with what is being examined in this case.

Of course it can still be traced. That isn't the argument.

But, you're wrong. Crawlers can auto-complete in search engines.

I love people who tell others they are wrong.  Usually we add I believe, or I thought, or I was under the impression, we don't usually tell other posters they are flat out wrong. 

You should probably call up Hosay Bozo bayez, he might need you in the next few days.  You can be his computer expert.  If you don't mind not getting paid.

Thank you for the insult, but I won't engage.

I told him he is wrong because he is. Nothing disrespectful about what I said. I happen to know this as fact. Computers are my field.

[cubbeegirl]

Ok....so, can my computer frame me for a murder if I go to bed?

[Grandma2Maddie]

Well, I've had Yorkies and I've had bamboo.  I think March for the shoots would be a little early even for Florida.  Not much a Yorkie can do with the older plants.  But just call a vet if you have questions.

BTW, I don't think bamboo results in any harmful effects on any animal that eats it and horses absolutely love it.

If it were later than March, the Yorksters might munch on the new shoots but the old stuff in March, not so much.

Also, if you wanted to know if bamboo is harmful to your dogs then why not do a search like, "is bamboo harmful to dogs".  Just sayin!

[cheeky monkey]

I didn't want to do a huge quote stack but wasn't there a great deal of testimony by the state computer expert about the searches and one of the things they talked about was which searches he could identify as having been manually typed in versus computer generated? I thought he could tell some were done manually, some were computer generated and some he couldn't be sure of.

[Titch]

Apparently I am not the only one who found her convincing. The analysts agreed as well. Also, it spoke volumes seeing Linda Drane Burdick visibly and vocally upset.

To be clear, your computer can "search" without you actually doing the searching. It feeds off of your cookies and cache, hence spam and popups.  She was not inaccurate with her assertion.

I am not taking up for Casey, if that is how I am coming across. I am looking at this trial from an objective and unbiased stand-point. If I were sitting on that jury I would tell you straight up that the defense established reasonable doubt today.

I think bozo forgot they have a computer specialist on that jury. I can tell you that a computer DOES NOT look things up on it's own from cookies. There was a reason those particular searches had been DELETED and not others.

From reading the tweets from persons in the courtroom it appeared as if none of the jurors even believed her. They said they were NOT taking notes and some were even rolling their eyes at each other. She did not fool those people and she will pay a heavy price for her lies. Much of her testimony today did not match her depositions which if the state chooses, they can prosecute her for not only for perjury if they choose but go back and charge her with obstruction of justice for her past acts after this trial is over.

She will be recalled to testify and I have a feeling it is not going to be pretty, as I am betting that Ashton left while she was lying to get a subpoena for all her records and the office staff there.

There is also a couple nurses on the jury too!     Computers do NOT do searches while no one is at them. 

It doesn't "search", per se. What it does is what is called "crawling". Your computer, my computer and every other computer "crawls" the web for similar searches you have made, similar sites you have visited.

That's only possible IF the cache & history weren't deleted on a consistent basis. That's how anybody that can read can figure out who was doing the searches. George & Cindy never cleaned & deleted ANY history...however...CASEY DELETED HER HISTORY ON A DAILY CONSISTENT BASIS.

I'm not shouting but I want people to remember...Casey covered her ass on a daily basis.

No disrespect, but you just solved your own mystery. Casey deleted, C&G did not. Cindy is the one claiming to have made the searches.

Either way you look at it you're mistaken, I believe, bc Casey deleted everything & Cindy claims to have only searched once. The complete history including cookies & cache were deleted inbetween the 17th & the 21st, therefore the computer search wouldn't crawl based on cookies & history that isn't there. It's a catch 22 that Cindy's caught in now. No matter how anybody looks at it, no matter how much the Defense would like to confuse those that are technologically educated, the scenario doesn't work. There's no mystery. It's a fact that Cindy is NOT responsible for all those searches. Casey is.

[strawberry thunder]

Hey Monkeys!

Been a while since I posted. Can rarely catch a break.

What'd everyone think of the shocker today with Cindy taking the fall for the searches? IMO, she was pretty concise and convincing. I happen to believe her. I know that isn't going to be the general consensus. I think that threw a major monkey wrench in the prosecution. Linda Drane Burdick was clearly agitated. While I do believe Casey is in some way responsible for Caylee's death, I have never believed the chloroform accusations.

I completely disagree and I believe Cindy's work records among other things will prove that she is lying.  The only thing Cindy did today was showed the world where Casey learned to lie.  You are definately in the MINORITY here.

I don't mind being in the minority.

Having worked in administration myself, it is entirely possible to be logged at work while you are not there. Especially if you had been there earlier in the day, and quite often with those of us on salary. Those logs really don't mean much.

I won't argue that some companies may be lax and skirt the rules/laws. But how you could POSSIBLY watch that and come away thinking Cindy "was pretty concise and convincing" is beyond comprehension to me! Did you see her claim that she "didn't know what the computer searched for 'on it's own'!"

Apparently I am not the only one who found her convincing. The analysts agreed as well. Also, it spoke volumes seeing Linda Drane Burdick visibly and vocally upset.

To be clear, your computer can "search" without you actually doing the searching. It feeds off of your cookies and cache, hence spam and popups.  She was not inaccurate with her assertion.

I am not taking up for Casey, if that is how I am coming across. I am looking at this trial from an objective and unbiased stand-point. If I were sitting on that jury I would tell you straight up that the defense established reasonable doubt today.

I'm glad you aren't a member of the jury. lol

Me too! LOL

[Ono]

Hey Monkeys!

Been a while since I posted. Can rarely catch a break.

What'd everyone think of the shocker today with Cindy taking the fall for the searches? IMO, she was pretty concise and convincing. I happen to believe her. I know that isn't going to be the general consensus. I think that threw a major monkey wrench in the prosecution. Linda Drane Burdick was clearly agitated. While I do believe Casey is in some way responsible for Caylee's death, I have never believed the chloroform accusations.

I completely disagree and I believe Cindy's work records among other things will prove that she is lying.  The only thing Cindy did today was showed the world where Casey learned to lie.  You are definately in the MINORITY here.

I don't mind being in the minority.

Having worked in administration myself, it is entirely possible to be logged at work while you are not there. Especially if you had been there earlier in the day, and quite often with those of us on salary. Those logs really don't mean much.

I won't argue that some companies may be lax and skirt the rules/laws. But how you could POSSIBLY watch that and come away thinking Cindy "was pretty concise and convincing" is beyond comprehension to me! Did you see her claim that she "didn't know what the computer searched for 'on it's own'!"

Apparently I am not the only one who found her convincing. The analysts agreed as well. Also, it spoke volumes seeing Linda Drane Burdick visibly and vocally upset.

To be clear, your computer can "search" without you actually doing the searching. It feeds off of your cookies and cache, hence spam and popups.  She was not inaccurate with her assertion.

I am not taking up for Casey, if that is how I am coming across. I am looking at this trial from an objective and unbiased stand-point. If I were sitting on that jury I would tell you straight up that the defense established reasonable doubt today.

I'd appreciate a list of all the analysts that agree with you.

I would too as I have been watching and I haven't heard that and I am on twitter and that is the opposite of what I have been reading.

Maybe I wasn't clear. I don't know if the analysts themselves believe the testimony, but the general consensus is that the testimony was  absolutely beneficial to the defense. And, well, if it's beneficial to the defense then it was obviously believable to some.

There's a sucker born every day.

[Tamikosmom]

CINDY ANTHONY - THE CHLOROFORM SEARCHES

June 23, 2011 5:22 PM Print Text
Casey Anthony Trial Update: Casey's mom grilled after chloroform search claim

According to a transcript of the deposition Cindy Anthony gave for the state in 2009, she said she may have looked up the ingredients in chloroform, but not how to make it. She said she learned it could make an animal sick.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20073802-504083.html


DEPOSITION OF: CYNTHIA MARIE ANTHONY

Orlando, Florida
July 28, 2009

<snipped>

BY MS. DRANE BURDICK:

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Q Okay. How about Casey?

A No.

Q All right. There is a search for how to make chloroform on your desktop computer. Did you make that search?

A I'm not sure.

Q Why not?

A Because I remember looking up chlorophyl back in March of last year, and I am not sure if I looked up chloroform as well. I looked up alcohol and several other things like at that -- like ethyl alcohol and peroxide, too.

Q W h y ?

A I was researching things that -- as far as the chlorophyl --

Q U h - h u h .

A -- and possibly chloroform because of my animals because my Cocker -- or my Yorkies would eat a lot of bamboo leaves and I know there's chlorophyl in those leaves and they were getting sick, quite sick. And I had previously lost two Cocker Spaniels, and I wanted to see if there was any tie. I had never thought about that with the cancer and stuff that I lost the Cocker, so I started researching

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different things. As far as the alcohol and peroxide, I researched just -- I was looking through different things that was in our cabinets to make sure that there
was nothing that we had in our cabinets that Caylee would get into because we didn't keep, like, you know, cleaning supplies in the bathrooms. The only thing I kept in the bottom bathrooms that we had locked was alcohol and peroxide. And I knew alcohol could be costly, but I wasn't sure about the peroxide because I know you can gargle with it, and I know you can drink some peroxide, but I wanted to see how much could hurt, in case she ever got into anything.

<snipped>

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/Library/CMA/depos/cindyanthonydepo072809.pdf

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310276/detail.html

Considering Cindy's July, 2009 deposition reveals she claims that on March 17, 2008 it was her ... not Casey ... who did the google searches for chloroform on the home desktop ... does it not make sense that investigators would have been forewarned that computer records/cell phone records/documentation from the Cindy's workplace would be required to affirm that the timesheet was accurate?

Janet