Caylee Marie Anthony MURDER TRIAL- DAY 28- 6/25- 6/26/11

[karenmamo]

Mornin

Sorry if this has been brought up Its new to me.

Lee had a serious breakdown as he left court after his last testimony. Cindy trembling when she leaves.
The hinkeymeter explains here
 http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/06/24/caylee-anthony-case-magpie-reports-062411/

The Defense tried to put out there that Lee has some deep, dark secret as to why he was sobbing so much on the witness stand because he was not allowed to be or told that Casey was giving birth to Caylee. However, the Defense never asked the obvious question.

Could it just be that Lee has psychological problems? Could he simply have emotional issues or an actually medical affliction? Something just seems to be off about him and it might be a medical issue, not that he is some kind of molesterlike the Defense would have you believe.

Red what you said might be so true.  How could Lee not have 'serious emotional problems' when he had a sister that was a 'sociopath' and a mother that IMO has' histrionic personalty disorder' and everyone constantly catering to his little sister.  They ignored all of her lying, demanding & thieving...she even stole from Lee IIRC.  Lee actually paid for that Pontiac Sunfire IIRC..and ICA was supposed to pay him back.  Well, once again the Princess got away with it as the parents didn't help him collect.  Once again IMO, he was told to DROP IT.

Whether Lee in nutzo or not....what I saw on the stand was a real emotional hurt from Lee....you can tell that he has tried to 'stuff' that and it 'pops' up at the most unexpected times.  What I saw in that was not that he was hurt ICA lied...(he was used to that)...but rather that Sindy had 'excluded' him......once again verifying to him that his mother favored ICA over him.

And then he saw his parents 'rewarding' ICA for having a child out of wedlock that he knew she couldn't take care of.  He was deeply troubled that child would be treated badly because he knew ICA could only love herself.   IMO he is feeling lots of guilt for not trying to 'do something' to prevent her from killing or hurting Caylee.  There was nothing he could really do.  Why is he trying to 'help' ICA now?  To once again try to win approval from his mother.  If he ever gets into some deep therapy, I am sure the therapist would advise him to move around the world away from his family and NOT even give them his phone number.  That  is his only chance for happiness.

Hugs
Bluez

Thank you for this well thought out post.
My heart agrees with you.

[karenmamo]

Mornin

Sorry if this has been brought up Its new to me.

Lee had a serious breakdown as he left court after his last testimony. Cindy trembling when she leaves.
The hinkeymeter explains here
 http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/06/24/caylee-anthony-case-magpie-reports-062411/

The Defense tried to put out there that Lee has some deep, dark secret as to why he was sobbing so much on the witness stand because he was not allowed to be or told that Casey was giving birth to Caylee. However, the Defense never asked the obvious question.

Could it just be that Lee has psychological problems? Could he simply have emotional issues or an actually medical affliction? Something just seems to be off about him and it might be a medical issue, not that he is some kind of molesterlike the Defense would have you believe.

IIRC Cindy said that Lee was never right after having a problem with a reaction of some sort of medication. But that is coming from my memory, which at times is forgetful like Cindy's recall. I'm sure smarter monkeys than me know if this is true or not.

You are really close. Cindy claimed he was never spiritual after that reaction.  It was something to do with zits. lol
Someone else will be able to locate that exact interview I am certain.

[Kat_Gram]

Casey went over to Jesse's when she was preganant. Richard Grund was told that she wasn't pregnant, it was some woman's problem. lol
She hooped Jesse and the Grunds. They thought they were grandparents. Maybe.
They really didn't buy it and Jesse had a paternity test.
The Grunds babysat Caylee alot and probably contributed in the way of buying things for the baby so that Cindy & George didn't have to.
BTW, where is Jesse ? Why hasn't he been called ? He spoke to Casey the day of the alleged " drowning " at about 4 pm. 

[TURBOTHINK]

when Sindy testified about Caylee's playhouse she said that her and Lee had purchased it.  I found that a little odd at the time, considering horseface had a great job as an event planner. (snark)  We know George is allergic to work, so he probably never contributed to anything monetarily.  Sindy knew horseface wasn't working.  Just another tidbit to prove it.  

So, after the latest round of testilying (love that new word!) by the Scamthonys I do believe that we may have our answer as to why no father was ever named for Caylee.  Why these lazy money-grabbing thieving manipulators never went after the sperm donor for money, support, or even for horseface to get a weekend or two "off" by dumping her baby with the no-named sperm donor so she could go party or whore around. She told them Lee was the daddy, whether he was or not.  

I think you are right and because he had sex with her he could not prove it a lie. That would account for why he was ostracized by the family as they were using him as the scapegoat for their (princess) ho daughter.She just flat lied about it and now he is finally realizing what all they have done to him personally.  He moved out shortly after she was born. If that is true then they ALL were part of a fraud on Jesse. I always found it interesting that Mr. Grund insisted on a paternity test. It goes to show that NO ONE trusted what KC or the Anthony's said.

[Puzzler]

Many times casey told cindy and her multiple boyfriends that Caylee was with the nanny. Where was Caylee all these times? I'm sure some of the times she told her boyfriends, Caylee was with cindy but what about the times she told cindy that Caylee was with the nanny? This has bothered me since I started watching the trial, since I didn't follow it before then.
I'm seeing what happened just as the jury is, for the first time. JMO casey is guilty. I feel like the day george caught casey with the gas cans, Caylee was in the trunk, casey got pissed at george over the gas cans and dumped Caylee after she left.

I have always felt she dumped her right after that George incident with the gas cans. He said once there were a lot of clothes in the trunk and then that just went away. I think she had her in the garbage bags in the laundry bag with clothes over it where it didn't look suspicious to him at the time. I think she got so scared she was caught, she went right down the street and dumped her.

If GA would just tell the damn truth about that incident I believe the entire time line would be solved.

Agree...I think the trash bags and clothes were to "hide" the bag with the body in the trunk, and after George scaring her about going into the trunk, KC drove down the street and around the corner and dumped out Caylee....LITERALLY the "first available spot".

[karenmamo]

Mornin

Sorry if this has been brought up Its new to me.

Lee had a serious breakdown as he left court after his last testimony. Cindy trembling when she leaves.
The hinkeymeter explains here
 http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/06/24/caylee-anthony-case-magpie-reports-062411/

The Defense tried to put out there that Lee has some deep, dark secret as to why he was sobbing so much on the witness stand because he was not allowed to be or told that Casey was giving birth to Caylee. However, the Defense never asked the obvious question.

Could it just be that Lee has psychological problems? Could he simply have emotional issues or an actually medical affliction? Something just seems to be off about him and it might be a medical issue, not that he is some kind of molesterlike the Defense would have you believe.

I do not believe that he molested his sister, in spite of Baez's exploitation.. 

It's very possible he is is feeling deep regret that he wasn't more alert/attentive to the welfare of his niece, the serious behavioral problems of his sister.  Sort of as family members or close friends always feel when one of their own commits suicide---everyone close to that person carries a lifetime feeling of grief, guilt, [ even tho not deserved ], and deep down feel  that if perhaps they had been more observant, etc., then they could have helped /been there for the person / could have prevented it somehow.  Also, I think Lee is a natural caretaker sort of a person by nature.  Possibly for the parents' convenience sake, was probably made to feel responsible for Casey's behavior when he was at an early age---a mini-parent & babysitter.... Much of this is deep regret for his being absent, I'm thinking.  I hope he is under some sort of psychological counseling, as his behavior at the Caylee memorial was bizarre as well.

Just perhaps Lee tried something on Casey like she told Jesse he did- OR perhaps she lied. that is prob the reason he was not included in caylees birth or a part of her life for the 1st year or so of her life? still wierd to me how CAY (caysey) LEE (Lee)
something is defanantly Off

Yes, yes, and yes.  Your words express what I am believing today. But you know how we have to keep changing our minds around to fit the Anthony family.

[beth1970]

it PAINS me to post this!  I was getting a picture of my 2 1/2 year old by our sliding glass door just because I was curious and she OPENED it!  All by herself.  She's a brute though.  I took 12 yrs of infertility drugs so she could probably lift a car LOL  (and she's beautiful & sweet to boot - sorry just a proud mama)

i think this is going to depend on the age of the house..the type of door...they all seem different to me...i have lived in 3 diff places with sliding doors and none of them opened the same...but now you know to keep yours locked...lol

Please get an alarm for the door. They are inexpensive and I have used them for years. It goes off when one of the kids (or adults) open the door. Our glass doors open right to the pool and we not only have that alarm but one in the pool so if someone falls in unexpected which sounds an alarm in the house. Because we live on the lake, we have alarms on all our doors.  I am almost paranoid with small kids and water because one of my neighbor's kids drown years ago while they were still asleep in the morning.

We added a sunroom off our breakfast room when we bought this house ten yrs ago.  The sliders go into our air conditioned/heated sunroom.  (it's turned into another toy room - I swear my house looks like toy-r-us)  We've just never changed the sliders to french doors.  Our sliders going from the sunroom to the back yard are hysterical. You'd think Fort Knox was in our backyard. Actually our whole house is.  We had a baby proof specialist come in while I was pregnant.  Tried for our little munchkin for 15+ years & I had eight miscarriages.  My husband laughs that he's surprised I don't have her bubble wrapped LOL !  My dh is afraid I'm overprotective - but I say there's no such thing in this day & age (I'm in my 40's so I guess that adds to it!!!)   I'm so sorry to hear about your neighbor's child.  I can't imagine going through something like that!  Cindy seemed to be just like you & I in regards to safety and there's no way in he77 that she left that ladder down.  No way!

[beth1970]

when Sindy testified about Caylee's playhouse she said that her and Lee had purchased it.  I found that a little odd at the time, considering horseface had a great job as an event planner. (snark)  We know George is allergic to work, so he probably never contributed to anything monetarily.  Sindy knew horseface wasn't working.  Just another tidbit to prove it. 

So, after the latest round of testilying (love that new word!) by the Scamthonys I do believe that we may have our answer as to why no father was ever named for Caylee.  Why these lazy money-grabbing thieving manipulators never went after the sperm donor for money, support, or even for horseface to get a weekend or two "off" by dumping her baby with the no-named sperm donor so she could go party or whore around. She told them Lee was the daddy, whether he was or not. 

I know I borrowed "testilying" from a comment someone made on a site - LOVE IT...........now I have a 2nd new word "Scamthonys".  I'm still laughing!

[karenmamo]

Mornin

Sorry if this has been brought up Its new to me.

Lee had a serious breakdown as he left court after his last testimony. Cindy trembling when she leaves.
The hinkeymeter explains here
 http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/06/24/caylee-anthony-case-magpie-reports-062411/

The Defense tried to put out there that Lee has some deep, dark secret as to why he was sobbing so much on the witness stand because he was not allowed to be or told that Casey was giving birth to Caylee. However, the Defense never asked the obvious question.

Could it just be that Lee has psychological problems? Could he simply have emotional issues or an actually medical affliction? Something just seems to be off about him and it might be a medical issue, not that he is some kind of molesterlike the Defense would have you believe.

I do not believe that he molested his sister, in spite of Baez's exploitation.. 

It's very possible he is is feeling deep regret that he wasn't more alert/attentive to the welfare of his niece, the serious behavioral problems of his sister.  Sort of as family members or close friends always feel when one of their own commits suicide---everyone close to that person carries a lifetime feeling of grief, guilt, [ even tho not deserved ], and deep down feel  that if perhaps they had been more observant, etc., then they could have helped /been there for the person / could have prevented it somehow.  Also, I think Lee is a natural caretaker sort of a person by nature.  Possibly for the parents' convenience sake, was probably made to feel responsible for Casey's behavior when he was at an early age---a mini-parent & babysitter.... Much of this is deep regret for his being absent, I'm thinking.  I hope he is under some sort of psychological counseling, as his behavior at the Caylee memorial was bizarre as well.

Just perhaps Lee tried something on Casey like she told Jesse he did- OR perhaps she lied. that is prob the reason he was not included in caylees birth or a part of her life for the 1st year or so of her life? still wierd to me how CAY (caysey) LEE (Lee)
something is defanantly Off

I don't know.  I never really followed too closely (hey I'm in my 40s with a 2 year old) until a few months ago.  Within five minutes of seeing Lee on tv, BEFORE the molestation allegations, I got that "vibe" of something quite not right between Lee & Casey.  I haven't been blessed with many talents (LOL) but picking up on things like this is one of them.  I guess it's because I'm an incest survivor. I have never been wrong (honestly) I don't think GA is guilty but there IS something there with Lee.  I'm beginning to think they had a consensual "affair".  When Lee was on that stand crying yes he looked like a big baby BUT IMO he looked like a jealous lover! No matter how you slice & dice it - this is one mixed up family!

Beth, I am a believer in those 'talents' that you describe.
At odd times, pictures flash into my conscienciousness...and I never forget those pictures. My husband was with me many years before he understood my accuracy re those pictures. Two and a half years as I was getting involved with this mess, I SAW Casey seducing her older brother.
I think Lee is emotionally slow.. I doubt in his early teens he had any girlfriends. ~~~Anyway, I don't know how to write further and remain delicate, you know? I understood my picture perfectly then as I do now.

[StarMonkey]

I really want to try to figure out what the deal is with LEE.

 In the past he broke up with Mallory or she did because he was covering for casey.

This may have been posted before - its a post re Mallorys Mom rumored to be posting on Craigslist.

reference link..
http://basementdwellers.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=caylee&action=display&thread=173


If Mallory is normal why would she be with Lee?

seems if the post above was Jody parkers then she felt STRONGLY that casey already killed caylee in OCT 08.

[Cappuccino]

Turbo, where was Caylee all those times casey said she was with the nanny? Someone had to have been watching her because surely she wasn't in the trunk EVERY time. No one has come forward to say, I watched Caylee a time or two.

I dont think she is saying that Caylee was alive from the 16th to 24th, but more that she may have been dumped on the 24th.  She dumped the car on the 27th next to a dumpster at Amscot & her cell pings are in that area more than once.

No one said that Casey didnt have her car on the 17th as Wendy Murphy claims, she merely had Tony's for part of the day on the 17th for some reason (the day she went to Sawgrass).   She had to get to Tony's first, obviously & there is footage of them together at Blockbuster the night of the 16th & testimony from Tony that they spent the night into the next day together.   In other words, Casey drove to Tony's on the 16th which her cell pings indicate so her car had to be somewhere around Tony's complex.  I derive from that that whatever she did on the 17th she didnt want to be seen in her car but obviously starting driving it again from the 18th forward.

Personally, I think she returned to her home on the 18th with a dead Caylee still in the trunk to gather things to discard her & she dumped Caylee on that day.  If the 24th transpired as George claims I think Casey was just avoiding him seeing or smelling the trunk 

[carpe noctem]

I miss the days when Lee would show up for interviews wearing blue eye shadow. I'm old school!

He's a wackadoodle... just like the rest of them. If it was pimple medicine that did it... then they were passing the tube around.

[Titch]

Many times casey told cindy and her multiple boyfriends that Caylee was with the nanny. Where was Caylee all these times? I'm sure some of the times she told her boyfriends, Caylee was with cindy but what about the times she told cindy that Caylee was with the nanny? This has bothered me since I started watching the trial, since I didn't follow it before then.
I'm seeing what happened just as the jury is, for the first time. JMO casey is guilty. I feel like the day george caught casey with the gas cans, Caylee was in the trunk, casey got pissed at george over the gas cans and dumped Caylee after she left.

I have always felt she dumped her right after that George incident with the gas cans. He said once there were a lot of clothes in the trunk and then that just went away. I think she had her in the garbage bags in the laundry bag with clothes over it where it didn't look suspicious to him at the time. I think she got so scared she was caught, she went right down the street and dumped her.

If GA would just tell the damn truth about that incident I believe the entire time line would be solved.

Agree...I think the trash bags and clothes were to "hide" the bag with the body in the trunk, and after George scaring her about going into the trunk, KC drove down the street and around the corner and dumped out Caylee....LITERALLY the "first available spot".

Gosh, I so agree with you all.

[BlueKYGirl]

Casey went over to Jesse's when she was preganant. Richard Grund was told that she wasn't pregnant, it was some woman's problem. lol
She hooped Jesse and the Grunds. They thought they were grandparents. Maybe.
They really didn't buy it and Jesse had a paternity test.
The Grunds babysat Caylee alot and probably contributed in the way of buying things for the baby so that Cindy & George didn't have to.
BTW, where is Jesse ? Why hasn't he been called ? He spoke to Casey the day of the alleged " drowning " at about 4 pm. 

I also don't understand why Tony Lazaro wasn't called by the prosecution.

[Puzzler]

Casey went over to Jesse's when she was preganant. Richard Grund was told that she wasn't pregnant, it was some woman's problem. lol
She hooped Jesse and the Grunds. They thought they were grandparents. Maybe.
They really didn't buy it and Jesse had a paternity test.
The Grunds babysat Caylee alot and probably contributed in the way of buying things for the baby so that Cindy & George didn't have to.
BTW, where is Jesse ? Why hasn't he been called ? He spoke to Casey the day of the alleged " drowning " at about 4 pm. 

I also don't understand why Tony Lazaro wasn't called by the prosecution.

Tony Lazzaro "was" called by the prosecution - several times.

[BlueKYGirl]

Casey went over to Jesse's when she was preganant. Richard Grund was told that she wasn't pregnant, it was some woman's problem. lol
She hooped Jesse and the Grunds. They thought they were grandparents. Maybe.
They really didn't buy it and Jesse had a paternity test.
The Grunds babysat Caylee alot and probably contributed in the way of buying things for the baby so that Cindy & George didn't have to.
BTW, where is Jesse ? Why hasn't he been called ? He spoke to Casey the day of the alleged " drowning " at about 4 pm. 

I also don't understand why Tony Lazaro wasn't called by the prosecution.

Tony Lazzaro "was" called by the prosecution - several times.

Oh...well clearly I came to this party a little late! 

[Cappuccino]

Casey went over to Jesse's when she was preganant. Richard Grund was told that she wasn't pregnant, it was some woman's problem. lol
She hooped Jesse and the Grunds. They thought they were grandparents. Maybe.
They really didn't buy it and Jesse had a paternity test.
The Grunds babysat Caylee alot and probably contributed in the way of buying things for the baby so that Cindy & George didn't have to.
BTW, where is Jesse ? Why hasn't he been called ? He spoke to Casey the day of the alleged " drowning " at about 4 pm. 

I also don't understand why Tony Lazaro wasn't called by the prosecution.

Tony was called

[beth1970]

Mornin

Sorry if this has been brought up Its new to me.

Lee had a serious breakdown as he left court after his last testimony. Cindy trembling when she leaves.
The hinkeymeter explains here
 http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/06/24/caylee-anthony-case-magpie-reports-062411/

The Defense tried to put out there that Lee has some deep, dark secret as to why he was sobbing so much on the witness stand because he was not allowed to be or told that Casey was giving birth to Caylee. However, the Defense never asked the obvious question.

Could it just be that Lee has psychological problems? Could he simply have emotional issues or an actually medical affliction? Something just seems to be off about him and it might be a medical issue, not that he is some kind of molesterlike the Defense would have you believe.

I do not believe that he molested his sister, in spite of Baez's exploitation.. 

It's very possible he is is feeling deep regret that he wasn't more alert/attentive to the welfare of his niece, the serious behavioral problems of his sister.  Sort of as family members or close friends always feel when one of their own commits suicide---everyone close to that person carries a lifetime feeling of grief, guilt, [ even tho not deserved ], and deep down feel  that if perhaps they had been more observant, etc., then they could have helped /been there for the person / could have prevented it somehow.  Also, I think Lee is a natural caretaker sort of a person by nature.  Possibly for the parents' convenience sake, was probably made to feel responsible for Casey's behavior when he was at an early age---a mini-parent & babysitter.... Much of this is deep regret for his being absent, I'm thinking.  I hope he is under some sort of psychological counseling, as his behavior at the Caylee memorial was bizarre as well.

Just perhaps Lee tried something on Casey like she told Jesse he did- OR perhaps she lied. that is prob the reason he was not included in caylees birth or a part of her life for the 1st year or so of her life? still wierd to me how CAY (caysey) LEE (Lee)
something is defanantly Off

I don't know.  I never really followed too closely (hey I'm in my 40s with a 2 year old) until a few months ago.  Within five minutes of seeing Lee on tv, BEFORE the molestation allegations, I got that "vibe" of something quite not right between Lee & Casey.  I haven't been blessed with many talents (LOL) but picking up on things like this is one of them.  I guess it's because I'm an incest survivor. I have never been wrong (honestly) I don't think GA is guilty but there IS something there with Lee.  I'm beginning to think they had a consensual "affair".  When Lee was on that stand crying yes he looked like a big baby BUT IMO he looked like a jealous lover! No matter how you slice & dice it - this is one mixed up family!

Beth, I am a believer in those 'talents' that you describe.
At odd times, pictures flash into my conscienciousness...and I never forget those pictures. My husband was with me many years before he understood my accuracy re those pictures. Two and a half years as I was getting involved with this mess, I SAW Casey seducing her older brother.
I think Lee is emotionally slow.. I doubt in his early teens he had any girlfriends. ~~~Anyway, I don't know how to write further and remain delicate, you know? I understood my picture perfectly then as I do now.

Wow!  Is that the only "vision" for lack of a better word that you've had about the case?  I'll bet you have even if you don't realize it.  I'd LOVE to hear it!

[beth1970]

I miss the days when Lee would show up for interviews wearing blue eye shadow. I'm old school!

He's a wackadoodle... just like the rest of them. If it was pimple medicine that did it... then they were passing the tube around.

"passing the tube around"  HYSTERICAL

[Bud's Girl]

I miss the days when Lee would show up for interviews wearing blue eye shadow. I'm old school!

He's a wackadoodle... just like the rest of them. If it was pimple medicine that did it... then they were passing the tube around.