Lively Case Discussion #604 4/25 - 4/27/2007

[greeneyedlady]

Joran telling those Designer Lies that he invents to fit any circumstances.

Why, he wasn't even interested in Natalee and thought her friend much prettier!  See, that alone proves it was Natalee who was after him all along--NOT!

We are not blind.  Look at her then look at him!   I rest my case.  

So why did this condomless scholar bother to change clothes and go out in the middle of the night anyway?  Arriving right at closing time, etc.?  What was the point in even bothering since he was only concerned with safe sex and his academics?  One might conclude he would have stayed home and finished his homework and studied for that imaginary exam the next day instead if that was his main priority.

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I agree Anna.

[Anna]

What is this thing Jug is supposed to have said that Joran considers of such major importance?  Anyone know?  I hope he is not referring to the pregnant with Jug's child that was to have been the topic of a book by Julia Renfro until she chickened out.

Also I wonder how ignorant of DNA one has to be to keep up with that toothbrush nonsense.  I guess they don't have any crime shows like CSI in Aruba and The Netherlands.

Anyone else find it very suspicious that the legal reason for throwing out Joran's DNA was a missing form from the file at the courthouse where Paulus continued to work?  Disappeared about the time Paulus was asked to pack up and leave.

Not that there is any connection, right????

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[greeneyedlady]

HannieC also says Joran and publisher gave thanks to medley/Jan and FOB for their assistance in writing the book-so we know now where Joran got his info.Which I already suspected he was reading all the blogs.FOB and RU in particular.  

It must make people there feel ever so proud to know that they helped a murderer spread his lies.  

I'm waiting to see these walls come tumbling down for that bunch...and hope it's real soon.

[Kimmy53]

Kimmy, Dayhiker and Anna... Answer this- What the 4377 does Beth and Jug's divorce have to do with Joran and his recipe book of lies?

I mean if that isn't a low blow by a low life I don't know what is. Beth and Jug's personal relationship is none of his GD business.

I think it's one of the sadder occurrences of this entire masquerade. I think Beth is a terrific woman and Jug has done all he could. They are to be admired for everything they have been through. I don't think I know many couples that could have made it. Look at John Walsh as an example.

Agreed.  IMO, the DENIAL of Paulus' compensation is MUCH MORE RELAVENT.

He is just a Plain Old POS!!!!!

[klaasend]

Posted at RU by Sunmoonstars - translated by Arubagirl:

Article about Joran's book, courtesty Arubagirl

Bon Dia Aruba 26 April 2007 page A3

Contents of the book have the Dutch people angry and disgusted because of what he writes
Joran vd Sloot Published Book on Holloway Case and Describes Himself as a 'Pathological Liar'
His mother will also publish a book but at the end of this year

Amsterdam - Joran van der SLoot (19), who calls himself a pathologial liar, still believes in his innocence related to the Natalee Holloway case. His biggest error tat he made, was to leave Natalee Holloway alone on the beach. This he says in his book that he published this week in the Netherlands that brought a lot of negative attention on this young person. During a television program this week in the Netherlands (the only interview he gave) describes in detail what happened according to him that night, when he met Holloway.

It must be said that the Dutch newspapers wrote about the book and also gave its readers the opportunity to react on the book and this young person. It must be said that practically none of the comments were positive and most were venting hate and anger towards this young person and all were considering him as a threat and a disgrace to society. Very little, here and there, left a good word for vd Sloot, who is wel aware of his acts.

Vd Sloot is aware of the fact that this case can be 'stashed away' [translating 'doofpot' - ag]. But he is so tired of this entire case that he does not care what happens now. For now, he is studying business and some day wants to return to Aruba to start a business on Aruba. The question that many made was if the contents of the books could have an infulence on the case that is still in full investigation and if it can affect him as such. In an either positive or negative way.

This because the book is fairly detailed about what happened. At the same moment vd Sloot continues and repeats various times that is a liar and that he still likes to lie and it comes easy to him. His first relationship that he had when he went to the Netherlands last year, lasted a very short time because of these reasons. But now he has a stable relationship with a person who believes what he tells her. And that's why he does not want to lie anymore. Time will say if the book that he published will have any effects on the case that is still ongoing.

At the same moment the mother of Joran, meaning Anita vd Sloot also has a book on this topic, from a mother's point of view, what were the feelings around this case. But seeing that her son published his book first, Anita vd Sloot decided that she is not going to publish hers yet until the end of the year to give her son a chance to get on the market and see how the reaction is. The mother thought to publish her version of how she fees at the end of the year.

[Anna]

Kimmy, Dayhiker and Anna... Answer this- What the 4377 does Beth and Jug's divorce have to do with Joran and his recipe book of lies?

I mean if that isn't a low blow by a low life I don't know what is. Beth and Jug's personal relationship is none of his GD business.

I think it's one of the sadder occurrences of this entire masquerade. I think Beth is a terrific woman and Jug has done all he could. They are to be admired for everything they have been through. I don't think I know many couples that could have made it. Look at John Walsh as an example.

Agreed.  IMO, the DENIAL of Paulus' compensation is MUCH MORE RELEVANT.

He is just a Plain Old POS!!!!!

It sure is, Kimmy!

This is just another example of the pain and suffering Joran and Paulus have caused this family and for which they should pay.

I don't understand how with the reason for denial of payment to Paulus, he is out of jail let alone an attorney in good standing in Aruba.  Goes to the quality of their judiciary again, I suppose.

Or lack thereof.

And those folks, the same ones who are so good and kind and for whom we are supposed to feel such compassion just can't get enough of victim and family bashing, can they?  Any negative news just has to be spread all around as much as they can.

Maybe Oduber should call a press conference to announce it when their divorce is final if it is not already since it's so much of their business.  They have always been far too eager and desperate to trash Natalee and Beth.

What they do fail to appreciate is that none of that matters, even if it were true which it isn't.  But not one bit of that has a thing to do with the fact that those last seen with Natalee Holloway have lied and admit to doing so and brag about continuing to lie until this day and Aruba does nothing at all about it.

.Lies = circumstantial evidence in most parts of the world.  Otherwise, why lie?  Oh, right, Joran was scared.  So scared he made up stuff about what a great card player he is?  That doesn't seem very scared at all to me and I think arrogant is a better description of his frame of mind.

Paulus, on the other hand, was much more uneasy, having been confronted a full 24 hours before he expected it.  If he didn't know anything about Natalee until Beth arrived, why was HE looking up drugs and alcohol and ATTORNEYS three or four hours before Beth's plane even landed?
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[Peaches]

So let me get this straight.  Joran wrote a book (well, sort of....someone else wrote it for him), Sweaty Pop is writing one too and now that fashion-plate Anita is writing one too!  I can hardly wait.  I've been dying to know where she shops!  And I want the name of her trainer!  She is doing great to be able to get her big foot that far off the ground without toppling over(see kicking photo....good for a chuckle every time).

Joran is tired of the case.  Boo freakin' hoo.  I wish he had never drawn breath too but if wishes were horses.........  He lost his first girl friend over in Holland because he couldn't tell the truth?  Too bad.  Doesn't she have TV?  Did she not recognize Goonboy from the news?  Maybe she did.  Maybe she saw the handwriting on the wall.... and ran screaming!

[JusticeforNatalee]

"...a threat and a disgrace to society."


That's EXACTLY why Joran needs to be LOCKED UP.
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Hey, Klaas,

Didn't Joran say that he doesn't care anymore about  the boycott's effect on Aruba? (paraphrased)

Consider adding that remark to the current frontpage post about his book.
Won't the Arubans love to hear that?!

[Dayhiker]

It must be said that the Dutch newspapers wrote about the book and also gave its readers the opportunity to react on the book and this young person. It must be said that practically none of the comments were positive and most were venting hate and anger towards this young person and all were considering him as a threat and a disgrace to society. Very little, here and there, left a good word for vd Sloot, who is wel aware of his acts.


He is a plague in his own country.

[klaasend]

Posted by Medleyrelay at RU regarding the Bondia article that Arubagirl translated:

Obviously the facts of this person are not totally accurate - Anita does not have a book coming out. I believe it is a nice article in a Dutch magazine about the case - maybe out next month -- hardly the same as a BOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kimmy53]

It must be said that the Dutch newspapers wrote about the book and also gave its readers the opportunity to react on the book and this young person. It must be said that practically none of the comments were positive and most were venting hate and anger towards this young person and all were considering him as a threat and a disgrace to society. Very little, here and there, left a good word for vd Sloot, who is wel aware of his acts.


He is a plague in his own country.

A plague in the Hague!    

[Nut44x4]

So let me get this straight.  Joran wrote a book (well, sort of....someone else wrote it for him), Sweaty Pop is writing one too and now that fashion-plate Anita is writing one too!  I can hardly wait.  I've been dying to know where she shops!  And I want the name of her trainer!  She is doing great to be able to get her big foot that far off the ground without toppling over(see kicking photo....good for a chuckle every time).

Joran is tired of the case.  Boo freakin' hoo.  I wish he had never drawn breath too but if wishes were horses.........  He lost his first girl friend over in Holland because he couldn't tell the truth?  Too bad.  Doesn't she have TV?  Did she not recognize Goonboy from the news?  Maybe she did.  Maybe she saw the handwriting on the wall.... and ran screaming!

I have been able to find her fashion garments at my local salvation army store...hehe....I am now heading to Goodwill.

[JusticeforNatalee]

"...I found out that the world does not revolve around me in a very painful way.."



Well, Joran, still needs to learn a very BIG lesson:

Since you played a major role in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway,
 by your own attorney's admission, you need to go to
J A I L

[Anna]

It must be said that the Dutch newspapers wrote about the book and also gave its readers the opportunity to react on the book and this young person. It must be said that practically none of the comments were positive and most were venting hate and anger towards this young person and all were considering him as a threat and a disgrace to society. Very little, here and there, left a good word for vd Sloot, who is wel aware of his acts.


He is a plague in his own country.

Write that book, Anita, so that they can also vent their hate and anger toward you as well.

Those Sloots and Kalpoes are so desperate to try to make a fast dollar off of this tragedy!  And they wonder why their children have no morals?  Actually, I doubt they do because the concept of morals seems so totally missing in those involved.  They have none and do not seem to even grasp the concept of moralistic behavior.

So Anita can tell us how it feels to have reared a complete narcissist who brags about being a pathological liar.

They should never be allowed to profit from what Joran did!

I hope that both Anita and Paulus read those comments from the Dutch.  That should be a real eye-opener as they carry on as though there is actual support for their sicko brat.  Joran is young but he is far from a child and the commission of crimes such as he did would very likely land him in adult court in this country.  Where we also have a thing called the death penalty.

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[adoronron]

So let me get this straight.  Joran wrote a book (well, sort of....someone else wrote it for him), Sweaty Pop is writing one too and now that fashion-plate Anita is writing one too! I can hardly wait.  I've been dying to know where she shops!  And I want the name of her trainer!  She is doing great to be able to get her big foot that far off the ground without toppling over(see kicking photo....good for a chuckle every time).

Joran is tired of the case.  Boo freakin' hoo.  I wish he had never drawn breath too but if wishes were horses.........  He lost his first girl friend over in Holland because he couldn't tell the truth?  Too bad.  Doesn't she have TV?  Did she not recognize Goonboy from the news?  Maybe she did.  Maybe she saw the handwriting on the wall.... and ran screaming!

Come on Peaches, give em a break on the books, how else are they going to come up with the money to pay for bribes and make blackmail payments?

[Peaches]

It must be said that the Dutch newspapers wrote about the book and also gave its readers the opportunity to react on the book and this young person. It must be said that practically none of the comments were positive and most were venting hate and anger towards this young person and all were considering him as a threat and a disgrace to society. Very little, here and there, left a good word for vd Sloot, who is wel aware of his acts.


He is a plague in his own country.

Sucks to be him.  

"You may think your shit don't stink but your farts give you away"

Words to live by...... courtesy of my late mother.

[Anna]

Posted by Medleyrelay at RU regarding the Bondia article that Arubagirl translated:

Obviously the facts of this person are not totally accurate - Anita does not have a book coming out. I believe it is a nice article in a Dutch magazine about the case - maybe out next month -- hardly the same as a BOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MR = publicist for Anita van der Sloot?

Nice and those people do not belong in the same sentence.  There is nothing nice about a family that produced this admitted pathological liar.  

Maybe Anita will explain to us why Natalee should never have gotten into that car with her son.  That's what she said.  Perhaps she will answer the question as to what is so wrong with him that a girl is not safe doing this.  Maybe she will even tell us about how he killed his own dog and kicked his younger brothers as well as at what point they realized they needed professional help for their fledgling criminal.


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Please check for more comments made in The Netherlands concerning just what a lower life form Joran actually is.  Those need to be preserved as well as spread around as much as possible so that perhaps this will sink into the fetid brains of the Sloots.


Better get busy. The more I read, the angrier I become. . off to work and lurk. . . .

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[Anna]

For Joran.  Yours is even more flimsy!

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[Angiex911dsptchr]

It must be said that the Dutch newspapers wrote about the book and also gave its readers the opportunity to react on the book and this young person. It must be said that practically none of the comments were positive and most were venting hate and anger towards this young person and all were considering him as a threat and a disgrace to society. Very little, here and there, left a good word for vd Sloot, who is wel aware of his acts.


He is a plague in his own country.

Sucks to be him.  

"You may think your shit don't stink but your farts give you away"

Words to live by...... courtesy of my late mother.

LMAO          Reminds me of a few folks I know!  

[klaasend]