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Author Topic: Lively Case Discussion #606 4/27 - 4/28/2007  (Read 117625 times)
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« Reply #400 on: April 28, 2007, 12:35:13 AM »

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I wonder if the DeVries conclusions, including his observations that the property wasn't searched, was the impetus for this property search today? DeVries is "one of their own", not the American media, which has been painted as unfairly biased.


I think soo..It was something that had to be looked at. Devries mentioned the ALE thinks something happened at that garden. KLPD knows that and sees it in the files. They requestioned witnesses yesterday which most likely prompted todays search.


I take that back..Its obvious they had this planned at least a week ago. I am sure they are sending hollands best to search that residence.
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« Reply #401 on: April 28, 2007, 12:35:17 AM »

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JMHO, and it counts for all the ink it took to type this which is zero to nil.  I think the Kalpoe case against Dr. Phil and Skeeters, in order to go forward, has probably been based on their turning evidence on Joran to clear themselves in order to clear the way for the discovery, etc., in order for Beth to sue them and how could they prove they were not libel, only by turning evidence on Joran, and perhaps they were not only there when Paulus buried Natalee, but they may have been called on to assist in the burial, which in and of itself, would not be murder, but perhaps it could be considered coercion under threat of loss of residency on Aruba or worse yet, cocercion under threat of limb, loss of life, etc.  It could be that in order to clear themselves as suspects, they might have to prove they are not guilty and the way to prove this is to tell all they know.  They might not be as dumb as we have considered them all along.


The Kalpoes have been pressure cooked for about two years now.  For the first year and a half, the Sloots and KJ and the rest of the smarmy team had their hands on their throats.  However, in the last six months, the power has shifted in Aruba.  KJ is gone and the files went to Holland to be thoroughly inspected.  Maybe the Kalpoes now realize that it is now safer to talk, and they have told what they know.  I hope so.
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« Reply #402 on: April 28, 2007, 12:35:57 AM »

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I'm now 100% sure that the VDS home is the Crime scene. First Beth said so and now Taco denies it.. it must be the scene. That is why the KLPD is there. The are at the real location.

I was 100% certain from the first two weeks.

The suspects had Natalee all over the island that night.  The one place they made sure not to say where they went was the VDS home.  They are protecting Paulus because he was home when Natalee was there.
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« Reply #403 on: April 28, 2007, 12:37:45 AM »

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I'm now 100% sure that the VDS home is the Crime scene. First Beth said so and now Taco denies it.. it must be the scene. That is why the KLPD is there. The are at the real location.

I was 100% certain from the first two weeks.

The suspects had Natalee all over the island that night.  The one place they made sure not to say where they went was the VDS home.  They are protecting Paulus because he was home when Natalee was there.

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« Reply #404 on: April 28, 2007, 12:38:18 AM »

The entire corrupt cover-up and inept actions of ALE has given Tacky the opportunity to also use it in Joran's defense. That's a strategy that was adopted only after Tacky came on the scene. It was then late enough, with enough gone "under the bridge" to allow it. Both sides, at this point, are in agreement that ALE mishandled the case. THAT point should be the rallying point for boycott, even for those who hate Beth and support Joran.

THE ISLAND ISN'T SAFE BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO EFFECTIVE LAW ENFORCEMENT!
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« Reply #405 on: April 28, 2007, 12:39:18 AM »

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Greta:

If you're telling me that the forensic investigation done by Holland is profoundly more professional than the one that was done almost two years ago, I'm stunned especially in light of the fact that in March of last year the car was returned to the Kalpoes, the car we know that Natalee was in. Are you telling me that that analysis of the Kalpoe car was done by basically, amateurs, people who don't know how to investigate a scene; whether there's any sign of bodily injury in a car?

Tacopina:

That's right, my understanding is they didn't use any of the forensic tools available. They did a search: they looked for hairs for obvious things that are visible to the naked eye. My understanding is they never luminoled that car, they never did the things that would uncover trace evidence that's not detectable by the naked eye.

What you're seeing now with this Dutch team is a different level of forensic analysis. it's my understanding that these techniques were never employed and quite frankly I don't even know whether they were available.

Greta:

If that indeed is true, let me re-use a word I used moments ago: that is really stupid and I'll add that it's completely unjust and unfair to everybody involved.

Doing a forensic examination of a car is not that sophisticated in this day and age.


WOW if Taco Joe's pointing the finger at the Kalpoe's dosen't convince those two to come foward with all that they know then they are even more ignorant than they look.


JMHO, and it counts for all the ink it took to type this which is zero to nil.  I think the Kalpoe case against Dr. Phil and Skeeters, in order to go forward, has probably been based on their turning evidence on Joran to clear themselves in order to clear the way for the discovery, etc., in order for Beth to sue them and how could they prove they were not libel, only by turning evidence on Joran, and perhaps they were not only there when Paulus buried Natalee, but they may have been called on to assist in the burial, which in and of itself, would not be murder, but perhaps it could be considered coercion under threat of loss of residency on Aruba or worse yet, cocercion under threat of limb, loss of life, etc.  It could be that in order to clear themselves as suspects, they might have to prove they are not guilty and the way to prove this is to tell all they know.  They might not be as dumb as we have considered them all along.

Tyler, Deepak is smarter than Joran.  He made the mistake of talking to Skeeters but ever since then he has shut up.  Joran keeps yapping and yapping and didn't listen to one thing he was told.
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« Reply #406 on: April 28, 2007, 12:40:27 AM »

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JMHO, and it counts for all the ink it took to type this which is zero to nil.  I think the Kalpoe case against Dr. Phil and Skeeters, in order to go forward, has probably been based on their turning evidence on Joran to clear themselves in order to clear the way for the discovery, etc., in order for Beth to sue them and how could they prove they were not libel, only by turning evidence on Joran, and perhaps they were not only there when Paulus buried Natalee, but they may have been called on to assist in the burial, which in and of itself, would not be murder, but perhaps it could be considered coercion under threat of loss of residency on Aruba or worse yet, cocercion under threat of limb, loss of life, etc.  It could be that in order to clear themselves as suspects, they might have to prove they are not guilty and the way to prove this is to tell all they know.  They might not be as dumb as we have considered them all along.



I agree Tyler, although I can't figure why they didn't do it before this. If they had the beans to spill, I would think they would have wanted to so do some time before NOW, and spare themselves the trouble they have been going through. Unless they're AFRAID of someone.
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« Reply #407 on: April 28, 2007, 12:41:11 AM »

L'il Joey

Based on what he said, I'd presume Beth has a very tight malfesance case against the Government of Aruba.   He essentially said they were incompetent.

JQ Kelly is the mastermind and instrument of this whole thing -- and he is after Paulus.

And, he will get him.

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« Reply #408 on: April 28, 2007, 12:41:17 AM »

I'm off to bed now.  I am so happy this is happening.  Justice will prevail for Natalee. Now, we need to be sure the sneaky little weasel doesn't try to run--but I believe as long as Mommy and Daddy are on the island, the kid might run but he he'll always come home.  Thanks, Monkeys, for keeping the faith for Natalee.  See ya tomorrow.
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« Reply #409 on: April 28, 2007, 12:42:10 AM »

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I'm now 100% sure that the VDS home is the Crime scene. First Beth said so and now Taco denies it.. it must be the scene. That is why the KLPD is there. The are at the real location.

I was 100% certain from the first two weeks.

The suspects had Natalee all over the island that night.  The one place they made sure not to say where they went was the VDS home.  They are protecting Paulus because he was home when Natalee was there.

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Hi AZLady good to see you in the cage tonight.

On that note I'm calling it a night.  Goodnight Everyone.
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« Reply #410 on: April 28, 2007, 12:44:27 AM »

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JMHO, and it counts for all the ink it took to type this which is zero to nil. I think the Kalpoe case against Dr. Phil and Skeeters, in order to go forward, has probably been based on their turning evidence on Joran to clear themselves in order to clear the way for the discovery, etc., in order for Beth to sue them and how could they prove they were not libel, only by turning evidence on Joran, and perhaps they were not only there when Paulus buried Natalee, but they may have been called on to assist in the burial, which in and of itself, would not be murder, but perhaps it could be considered coercion under threat of loss of residency on Aruba or worse yet, cocercion under threat of limb, loss of life, etc. It could be that in order to clear themselves as suspects, they might have to prove they are not guilty and the way to prove this is to tell all they know. They might not be as dumb as we have considered them all along.


Hmmmm some very interesting thought ther Tylergal. "Imagine even your own father". I'll have to ponder your post for abit.
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« Reply #411 on: April 28, 2007, 12:45:45 AM »

I don't think any suspect, up until these recent developments, has been particularly afraid. They've had a lot to convince them that if they simply keep quiet, it will go away.

Joran can't seem to do that, but he's too arrogant by nature to have been shaking over the prospects of being found out. Given enough rope, he'll hang himself in the end.

The most optimistic hope here, IMO, is that someone else besides the K2s has said something that came from Joran, or that they knew independantly.
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« Reply #412 on: April 28, 2007, 12:46:32 AM »

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If still here.  Another site says that aruba-zone is owned by Jairo Dirksen.
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« Reply #413 on: April 28, 2007, 12:47:16 AM »

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L'il Joey

Based on what he said, I'd presume Beth has a very tight malfesance case against the Government of Aruba.   He essentially said they were incompetent.

JQ Kelly is the mastermind and instrument of this whole thing -- and he is after Paulus.

And, he will get him.

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« Reply #414 on: April 28, 2007, 12:47:17 AM »

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JMHO, and it counts for all the ink it took to type this which is zero to nil.  I think the Kalpoe case against Dr. Phil and Skeeters, in order to go forward, has probably been based on their turning evidence on Joran to clear themselves in order to clear the way for the discovery, etc., in order for Beth to sue them and how could they prove they were not libel, only by turning evidence on Joran, and perhaps they were not only there when Paulus buried Natalee, but they may have been called on to assist in the burial, which in and of itself, would not be murder, but perhaps it could be considered coercion under threat of loss of residency on Aruba or worse yet, cocercion under threat of limb, loss of life, etc.  It could be that in order to clear themselves as suspects, they might have to prove they are not guilty and the way to prove this is to tell all they know.  They might not be as dumb as we have considered them all along.



I agree Tyler, although I can't figure why they didn't do it before this. If they had the beans to spill, I would think they would have wanted to so do some time before NOW, and spare themselves the trouble they have been going through. Unless they're AFRAID of someone.


Suppose you as a prominent attorney,  tell me and I am not aware of the laws and how they work because I am essentially a foreigner in your land, that if I tell anything I can go to prison and suffer the same consequences as the one who "pulled the trigger" (sotaspeak) and then later over time, I realize that you were not only wrong, but you were telling me this in order to hold my misconduct (whatever that may involve, maybe selling drugs or maybe living illegally in Aruba, or maybe I am running a scam computer business that involves porno) so I believe that whatever you tell me is the gospel and then later I see you have been scamming me to cover your own a** and that of your corrupt spawn of satan.  Then I see there is not only an opportunity for me to clear my name, but for me to gain monetarily in the long haul as in selling my story to the media after the big gallon-jughead has been found guilty.
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« Reply #415 on: April 28, 2007, 12:48:35 AM »

Whether it's K2 or someone else, we have to ask ourselves what is DIFFERENT now... there had to be some kind of fundamental sea change in the situation that caused the "witness" to come forward. What could it be?

Did they assume they were safe?

Hate to say it this way, but we may find out who it is when Diario announces the next bizarre "accidental" death that leaves us scratching our heads.
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« Reply #416 on: April 28, 2007, 12:53:34 AM »

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If still here.  Another site says that aruba-zone is owned by Jairo Dirksen.


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« Reply #417 on: April 28, 2007, 12:54:59 AM »

Think maybe Beth and Dave could sue Aruba, Aruba Government, ALE, Officials and AHTA in the International Court of Justice? I think Beth and Dave would have a good case to take to ICoJ.


hmm, I just remember something...
When Greta interviewed Joran, Joran looked dead into the camera and said something like..."I want my father to know I am here for him", or something like that.  

I just struck me odd Joran to say that and suddenly look dead serious into the camera when he said it.  Made me think Joran wanted his father know he was covering for him and not to worry, he has his back.
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« Reply #418 on: April 28, 2007, 12:55:59 AM »

I think it's probable that the investigators were assigned to this now because of the timeframe for making a decision to close the case or not. I think that DeVries conclusions caused them to examine his sources and conclusions, take a look at his unanswered questions and criticisms, and they decided to "officially" look into his issues and points.

It may turn something up. I WANT to believe that JQK has pushed for this to happen, and has consistently kept the DeVries investigation in front of them.
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« Reply #419 on: April 28, 2007, 12:56:13 AM »

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I'm now 100% sure that the VDS home is the Crime scene. First Beth said so and now Taco denies it.. it must be the scene. That is why the KLPD is there. The are at the real location.

I was 100% certain from the first two weeks.

The suspects had Natalee all over the island that night.  The one place they made sure not to say where they went was the VDS home.  They are protecting Paulus because he was home when Natalee was there.


I agree San, but that mess at the rock area was hard to get past.
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