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« Reply #520 on: April 28, 2007, 06:43:44 AM »

This past 24 hours reminds me...

My good friend from Texas who used to be in law enforcement...

In the very early weeks of the investigation in 2005 (and right after the arrest of the father) told me his "gut" theory...

His theory way back then (does seem like a long time ago, right?) was that on that fateful night that he felt perhaps young Joran was might have been out "scouting" for his Dad --- AND, that Joran delivered the girl to his Dad and that this was what sealed her fate...

This all starts to perhaps make sense now two years later ... as a possibility....

when you consider the casino videos and who looks like "the father" sitting next to Natalee trying to engage her in concersation...

when you consider the Kalpoe statement in the taped conversation inthe police car about "your own father"....

when you consider the revelations of apparently some taped telephone conversations by "the father" that the Aruban courts consider important enough to justify the government actions concering reasonable suspicion...

when you consider the 'activist' father's actions to try to block the investigation by calling in some very important 'cards' er, judges and LE high ups...

when you consider the 'sweating father'

When you consider the strange reference cited in the book about the email from father to son asking him to think "positives"

and soooo much more -- and now, the search of the property....

Is it possible that "something bad happened" because the father was the one actually with her, and that...

heaven forbid... The son has been actually covering the father through all of this?  think about it....

My friend from Texas with his "gut" feeling might have been right all along...

All the obstruction and cover-up might have been done to protect the father... the son and the Ks might be the true pimps (in the true sense of the word) and delivered Nat to "the father'.... After all, Anita was gone, right?

just take all you know and look at it from possibility.... perhaps all 4 will be arrested in the coming days.... or even more and perhaps the center of attention will focus on 'the father'

and maybe this is why the Aruban judge friends "really' released the J and the 2 K's -- because they already knew the father was the one who was actually with her...

just some thoughts....
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« Reply #521 on: April 28, 2007, 07:12:22 AM »

Peter de Vries comments about Joran's book; FP post by Robert.

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Joran aknowledges own untruthfulness.

Joran vd Sloot as mainsuspect has written a book on his own case: The unsolved disappearance of Natalee Holloway. A fairly particular fact, about what the press strangely enough is not terrible critically. The fact that he writes seems more interesting than what he writes.
What in the “Natalee Holloway-case, my own tale concerning her disappearance on Aruba” is especially notable is that he labels himself as untruly. “For me lying was not really new for me. I lie more often, it even had become a bit of a habit to me, because it makes things sometimes so much easier”, Joran says in his book. That testifies on the one hand of a healthy self-knowledge but on the other hand also of a morbid inclination to put guilt upon himself: that he is untrue, comes forward already in the police-file, in which he evidently invented tales concerning what that last evening with Natalee has happened. On the other hand Joran untill the end keeps saying he has nothing to do with the dissappearence. Now that he in his book aknowledges to be untrue by nature, his disavowals, and with that all relieving circumstances which he himself also points to, come to stand in a new perspective. Why would he speak the truth concerning one thing suddenly? In the book a complete chapter has been dedicated to our programme. He suggests in this that we could have been behind a burglary in his Arnhem house in 2006. At that burglary amongst files from his computer the manuscript of his book was stolen. Of course we aren’t in any way involved in that burglery. The only link is that the burglary took place at the time of our study into the matter. Moreover, if Joran is convinced we were involved, why then didn’t he go to the police to file against us?

In the above mentioned chapter Joran discusses extended our show we did in November on the affair. Some examples: We wrongfully stated that Joran in the NOVA-program for the first time mentioned that not Deepak, but Satisch picked him up in the night of Natalees dissappearence. Joran now claims that he had already communicated that earlier. What Joran forgets is that both Satish and Deepak deny that they have picked him up that night. So his statement on that point doesn’t realy make a difference. It much more is the next affirmation of Jorans continues lying than it would show any negligence on our side. Moreover: Joran persist in his untrue account of affairs. Because in his book he writes that he was with Natalee on the beach when he heard Deepaks car arrive.

What is notable is that when yet another lie of Joran is proven to be not the truth he already has his new version of his reality ready. That was the case from day one on when he explained that he had dropped off Natalee at the hotel. Only after guarding cameras proved that wrong, Joran said he had not left behind Natalee on the beach. Exactly the same he does next with the “pick-up” story. First it was friend Deepak who’d picked him up that night on the beach. Then as Deepak denied that and moreover from chat - and telephonerecords it came forward that Deepak had remained indeed simply at home, Joran came up with the tale that it had been Deepaks brother Satish. Satish also denies. He says that he was asleep. It indicates that Joran lies about everything, untill it is indisputably proven the opposite. And then still he doesn’t tell the truth, but works magic and comes up with yet a new version of what has happened.

Concerning our revelation that Jorans lawyer Mr. Carlo informed head-officier Karin Janssen, that Joran indeed played a distinguished role in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and that it is up to justicedep. to prove this Joran states that this concerned something very differently. We stated that this was discussed during a secret meeting on the office of counsel for the pros. after office time. Afterwards Janssen in a letter to Mr. Carlo supposedly asked to have confirmed that in writing. When the matter thus was written down, the lawyer because of that became scared and denied the story from then on. But according to Joran this whole thing was about something very different. He says that he himself had once gotten totaly mad after an interrogation. Mr. Carlo then to the head officier would have asked if Jorans could talk personally to his father. A very incredible explanation. If that was the real reason then Mr. Carlo just could have said that to us. Absolutely no reason to remain mysteriously. Moreover with that he would have disproved every other suggestion directly. Moreover a request to be allowed to visit someone is not a credible reason to have secretive meetings and correspondences with the chief public prosecutor.

Concerning the shoe tale Joran is very brief. He explains that he on that night on the beach had left his shoes behind and went to home on foot. Those shoes have been never found. To the investigators he states moreover that he has size 10, whereas this in reality is size 14. He does not mention in his book the reason why he lied against the police about the shoesize, and states that leaving behind the shoes is not a suspicious circumstance. If that had anything to do with the matter, then he - thus puts Joran - never would have come with the shoe tale. Joran forgets that witnesses have seen him with those shoes and that the investigators would at a certain point in time ask for those shoes.

Notable is Jorans affirmation that he indeed was behing the two faken photographs on which he himself is with Natalee. That - for the family very distasteful - photograph Peter showed when he was at Jorans Arnhem home to face him with our findings. Joran then denied he knew anything about the pictures. In his book he now admits however that he was indeed behind the photomontages. According to Joran it was meant to discredit the National Enquirer.

All in all the book contains innumerable forced manners to vitiate dubious circumstances. For the good reader however it only confirms Jorans untruthfullness and that makes him in fact only more suspicious.

Comment by Robert | April 28, 2007, 5:13 am


And yes, amazingly, I was able to copy a FP post. Sometimes that works, sometimes not ... ???
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« Reply #522 on: April 28, 2007, 07:38:02 AM »

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/4/28/

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Ministerio Publico:
TEAM DI RECHERCHE COMBINA TA HACIENDO
INVESTIGACION DI NATALEE HOLLOWAY


ORANJESTAD (AAN):-- Segun un comunicado di Ministerio Publico manda pa medionan di publicidad , ayera 27 di April 2007 a tuma lugar un listramento na cas di mayornan di JvdS. E listramento ta tuma lugar bou guia di Juez-Comisario. Tin alrededor di 20 experto riba tereno di investigacion forensico (e.o. di Nederlands Forensisch Instituut) cu ta haciendo e listramento. E listramento no tin nada di haber cu e buki di JvdS cu recientemente a sali riba Mercado, pero ta den cuadro di e investigacion andando y ya tabata planea pa un tempo caba pa tuma lugar.

Riba dia 15 di April ultimo un fase nobo a cuminsa den e investigacion di e desaparicion di e hoben aki. Investigacionnan adicional ta tumando lugar y ta wordo haci pa un team di investigacion nobo cu a wordo forma. E team ta consisti di recherche nan local y recherchenan di Hulanda y ta trahando bou guia di Ministerio Publico.

Despues cu Minister di Husticia di Aruba na augustus 2006 a pidi Ministerio di Husticia Hulandes pa asistencia tecnico den e caso aki, e Korps Landelijke Politiebureau (KLPD) di Hulanda a forma un team di recherche Hulandes cu na November 2006 a cuminsa cu un collegiale toetsing, esta un revision di parti di coleganan recherche di Hulanda. E revision a encera cu e team a revisa henter e dossier di e caso Holloway y a base di esaki a bini cu conclusion y sugerencianan.

E conclusion y sugerencianan a wordo presenta fin di maart 2007 door di e korpschef di KLPD. A base di e conclusion- y sugerencianan aki e investigacion adicional ta tumando lugar. Meta di e investigacion adicional ta pa haya claridad riba e desaparicion di Natalee Holloway, e hoben Mericano cu desde 30 di Mei 2005, a desaparece na Aruba.

Natalee Holloway (18 ańa, di Alabama, Merca) a desaparece riba dia 30 di mei 2005, ora e tabata cu vakantie na Aruba conhuntamente cu un cantidad di colega studiantenan. Holloway a wordo mira pa ultimo biaha 1’or di marduga riba 30 di mei 2005, despues cu el a sali for di e bar Carlos ‘n Charlie’s. Segun declaracion di testigonan Holloway tabata den compania di 3 hende homber.
For di momento cu denuncia di desaparicion di Holloway a wordo haci Cuerpo Policial di Aruba a cuminsa cu un investigacion, na unda varios sospechoso a wordo deteni y interoga y na unda un gran cantidad di testigo a wordo scucha. Algun di esnan cu a worde deteni como sospechoso ainda ta wordo considera como sospechoso, segun e comunicado di Ministerio Publico.


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team of recherche combina is haciendo investigacion of natalee holloway

oranjestad (aan):-- according one comunicado of ministerio publico send for medionan of publicidad come across, yesterday 27 of april 2007 did take lugar one listramento at home of parents of jvds. the listramento is take lugar under guia of juez-comisario. have alrededor of 20 experto on territory of investigacion forensico (e.o. of nederlands forensisch instituut) cu is haciendo the listramento. the listramento not have nothing of haber cu the book of jvds cu recientemente owing to leave on market, but is in cuadro of the investigacion andando y already was planea for one time end for take lugar.

on day 15 of april ultimo one phase new owing to cuminsa in the investigacion of the desaparicion of the young here. investigacionnan adicional is tumando lugar y is wordo haci for one team of investigacion new cu owing to wordo form. the team is consisti of recherche they local y recherchenan of the netherlands y is trahando under guia of ministerio publico.

after cu minister of husticia of aruba at august 2006 owing to ask ministerio of husticia dutch for asistencia tecnico in the caso here, the korps landelijke politiebureau (klpd) of the netherlands owing to form one team of recherche dutch cu at november 2006 owing to cuminsa cu one collegiale toetsing, esta one revision of part of coleganan recherche of the netherlands. the revision owing to encera cu the team owing to revisa all the dossier of the caso holloway y owing to base of this owing to come cu conclusion y sugerencianan.

the conclusion y sugerencianan owing to wordo present end of march 2007 door of the korpschef of klpd. owing to base of the conclusion- y sugerencianan here the investigacion adicional is tumando lugar. aim of the investigacion adicional is for achieve claridad on the desaparicion of natalee holloway, the young mericano cu by 30 of half 2005, owing to desaparece at aruba.

Natalee Holloway (18 ańa, di Alabama, Merca) a desaparece riba dia 30 di mei 2005, ora e tabata cu vakantie na Aruba conhuntamente cu un cantidad di colega studiantenan. Holloway a wordo mira pa ultimo biaha 1’or di marduga riba 30 di mei 2005, despues cu el a sali for di e bar Carlos ‘n Charlie’s. Segun declaracion di testigonan Holloway tabata den compania di 3 hende homber.

For di momento cu denuncia di desaparicion di Holloway a wordo haci Cuerpo Policial di Aruba a cuminsa cu un investigacion, na unda varios sospechoso a wordo deteni y interoga y na unda un gran cantidad di testigo a wordo scucha. Algun di esnan cu a worde deteni como sospechoso ainda ta wordo considera como sospechoso, segun e comunicado di Ministerio Publico.
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« Reply #523 on: April 28, 2007, 07:47:28 AM »

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Taco shell is trying to indicate the Kalpoes by saying the car was never searched forensically.  I think it is the Kalpoes who turned  evidence on the sporter and his ugly father, and Taco knows it, so he is trying to put it back on the Kalpoes that their car was never searched.  There's a method to this madman's madness.

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« Reply #524 on: April 28, 2007, 07:49:15 AM »

Should have mentioned that today's Diario article has several pictures from the search. The link is above (if Leslie hasn't posted the media links yet).

BT - In one of your next exchanges, will you ask whether Diario is still "under boycott" ??

Morning monkeys. Have to leave now; see you this afternoon.
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« Reply #525 on: April 28, 2007, 08:19:04 AM »

Diario
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Amigoe
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Solo di Pueblo
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« Reply #526 on: April 28, 2007, 08:20:07 AM »

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« Reply #527 on: April 28, 2007, 08:20:51 AM »

im going to work for a bit

u jst want to thank the K2 brothers again for finally coming out and
telling the police the TRUTH


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« Reply #528 on: April 28, 2007, 08:35:09 AM »

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A little exchange from BFN, but notice what Jack says about the guards ... I take it to mean there were guards there overnight. (?)

Quote from: GrannyToad on April 27, 2007, 11:50:37 PM
So did they pack up their tent and outhouse or will they be back after breakfast?

Quote from: Jamie on April 27, 2007, 11:59:06 PM
It might be a rumor but, I heard Anita was cooking them all breakfast.

Jack on April 28, 2007, 05:03:25 AM
There are only two or three (seen) guarding the place until about 10 am today and they will send out for breakfast, but Anita will probably eat it all and them with it.

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I believe Joshy mentioned that guards remained overnight as did the "on the record" representative.  Hmmm.  Why did Greta have someone in Aruba, maybe to protect Joran from the onslaught of mean people from Diario.  I suppose now that she has adopted the vanderSloot family as her new crime family, we can depend on Greta to take care of the wonderful Sporter and his charming family (sarcasm off).
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« Reply #529 on: April 28, 2007, 08:36:04 AM »

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This past 24 hours reminds me...

My good friend from Texas who used to be in law enforcement...

In the very early weeks of the investigation in 2005 (and right after the arrest of the father) told me his "gut" theory...

His theory way back then (does seem like a long time ago, right?) was that on that fateful night that he felt perhaps young Joran was might have been out "scouting" for his Dad --- AND, that Joran delivered the girl to his Dad and that this was what sealed her fate...

This all starts to perhaps make sense now two years later ... as a possibility....

when you consider the casino videos and who looks like "the father" sitting next to Natalee trying to engage her in concersation...

when you consider the Kalpoe statement in the taped conversation inthe police car about "your own father"....

when you consider the revelations of apparently some taped telephone conversations by "the father" that the Aruban courts consider important enough to justify the government actions concering reasonable suspicion...

when you consider the 'activist' father's actions to try to block the investigation by calling in some very important 'cards' er, judges and LE high ups...

when you consider the 'sweating father'

When you consider the strange reference cited in the book about the email from father to son asking him to think "positives"

and soooo much more -- and now, the search of the property....

Is it possible that "something bad happened" because the father was the one actually with her, and that...

heaven forbid... The son has been actually covering the father through all of this?  think about it....

My friend from Texas with his "gut" feeling might have been right all along...

All the obstruction and cover-up might have been done to protect the father... the son and the Ks might be the true pimps (in the true sense of the word) and delivered Nat to "the father'.... After all, Anita was gone, right?

just take all you know and look at it from possibility.... perhaps all 4 will be arrested in the coming days.... or even more and perhaps the center of attention will focus on 'the father'

and maybe this is why the Aruban judge friends "really' released the J and the 2 K's -- because they already knew the father was the one who was actually with her...

just some thoughts....


I agree that Paulus could have actually been with Natalee.  Your friend could be right.  But I also believe that J2K also was with Natalee.  Satish's remark to Deepak in one of his statements proves to me that he knows and witnessed Natalee being harmed.

We always said why would an island cover for 3 punks.  Why not just arrest them.  Because if they arrest them they know the Kalpoes know the truth and they will say what a Judge did to Natalee.  How would this look to the world that Paulus has been doing this for years and they did nothing to stop him.
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« Reply #530 on: April 28, 2007, 08:49:04 AM »

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Joran’s 3 hrs of admitted raping of Natalee in his new Dutch book had damaged his Internet alibi and upset the Dutch police to a great extended. They raid Antonis’s safe and obtained some plastic cups with Joran and Natalee’s fingerprints on them. The Dutch Police had been granted a search warrant directly from the Queen in Hague overnite. The house search started early in dawn and caught the Sloots by surprise. Paulus just received a small package from Joran which had a CD with some of Natalee’s images and her driver license. Joran is currently missing in Holland and at large. The Dutch police are blocking the borders and make sure Joran can’t escape from Holland.

Fri Apr 27, 10:43:00 PM EDT


just curious, but where would they get a fingerprint comparison for Natalee? I assume she has never been arrested.. so where would her prints be on file? And who is Antonis? This doesn't sound right to me.


Rob, good morning.  My daughter has been fingerprinted a couple times.  Usually at school or daycare (years ago).  I think I even have an Identi-kid card with prints on it and her picture.  

Or maybe at the bank?  I had to do a thumbprint the other day.......
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« Reply #531 on: April 28, 2007, 08:50:13 AM »

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Peter de Vries comments about Joran's book; FP post by Robert.

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Don’t know if this was available on the site somewhere but here’s a translation from a comment by PRdVries on the JvdSloot book. (Mostly Babelfish partly me.)

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/

Joran aknowledges own untruthfulness.

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Notable is Jorans affirmation that he indeed was behing the two faken photographs on which he himself is with Natalee. That - for the family very distasteful - photograph Peter showed when he was at Jorans Arnhem home to face him with our findings. Joran then denied he knew anything about the pictures. In his book he now admits however that he was indeed behind the photomontages. According to Joran it was meant to discredit the National Enquirer.

All in all the book contains innumerable forced manners to vitiate dubious circumstances. For the good reader however it only confirms Jorans untruthfullness and that makes him in fact only more suspicious.

Comment by Robert | April 28, 2007, 5:13 am


And yes, amazingly, I was able to copy a FP post. Sometimes that works, sometimes not ... ???

Joran seems worried about one of the articles that the Enquirer wrote about him.  I wonder which one.  I think I might be the one where the reporter went to the Netherlands.
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« Reply #532 on: April 28, 2007, 08:50:37 AM »

Hypothetically, Paulus could have spotted Natalee and decided that he wanted Natalee for himself.  He saw her in the casino, perhaps on more than one occasion.  He pointed her out to Joran, and it was Joran and his gang of PIMPS who abducted girls, drugged them and made porn videos of them for entertainment or for re-sale.  Was the fact that Freddy had the photography skills and Deepak had the computer skills of any significance whatsoever?  Why did it require so many people?  Surely, we agree that no young woman aside from an Aruban want to be bedded by Paulus vanderSloot, but then we only could suspect that maybe this had been done many times before for Paulus by these PIMPS, because it was well known on the island that Paulus and Joran inhabited institutions of gambling and drinking together.  were these holidays that Anita took more about getting away from Paulus and Joran than visiting relatives for the sake of love?  Why would a teacher choose to go abroad when it was her last week of school, one of the most important weeks in a teacher's year.  Why would she take her under-aged children abroad when their education should have been first and foremost?  Was this an attempt to remove them completely from Paulus and allow the now-crazed Joran and Paulus their freedoms on Aruba.  There is a reason why Anita and the two younger children were away at such a crucial time in education.  There is a reason why Deepak was brought into this.  From my reading on the conversations, it seems that Satish was concerned about 'what happened to the girl," but later he was brainwashed and coerced into telling lies to fit the stories of Paulus & his maggot son.  Anita was brought back to take Joran away from Aruba, but found that she was not going to be able to.  No one told me that, no one said that, but I am beginning to read through her just like I read through the meaning of her blouses.  She is a very transparent and malicious person, who if she had been the caring, giving and loving wife and mother would have never reproduced with this sick individual, Paulus.  She knew he was a loser.  She knew he was not a judge.  She lied to Greta to make Greta "respect" them.  She clearly stated to Greta that Paulus was a judge.  Greta is stupid.  She believed it and she believes Joran's and Taco's web of lies.  Is this a characteristic of a Dutch woman to believe the lies of Dutch men or all men?

Paulus is involved with Natalee's death from start to finish.  Joran was his accomplice.  Deepak was asked to assist in providing transportation.  Satish was along for the ride.  Paulus has convinced both the K2 that they are as guilty as him and Cabbagehead.

I think someone has gotten to the K2 and convinced them otherwise.  I think K2 are talking very little but saying a lot.
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« Reply #533 on: April 28, 2007, 09:02:49 AM »

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Video and posting in English:

http://www.24ora.com/

Thanks 24ora for the addition of English.

Thanks Buckeye.  I see Paulus at the house watching the guy dig in a certain spot.   He is probably telling him go to your left a little that is a little too close to where I buried something.
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« Reply #534 on: April 28, 2007, 09:07:20 AM »

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Thanks 24ora for the addition of English.

Thanks Buckeye.  I see Paulus at the house watching the guy dig in a certain spot.   He is probably telling him go to your left a little that is a little too close to where I buried something.


At the end of the video...I watched the papiamentu one...does it look like the dog "hits" on something by the cement wall??  Think I'm looking to hard.  The dog looks like he's sniffing then looks at the guy.  Probably just me...
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« Reply #535 on: April 28, 2007, 09:11:15 AM »

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Hypothetically, Paulus could have spotted Natalee and decided that he wanted Natalee for himself.  He saw her in the casino, perhaps on more than one occasion.  He pointed her out to Joran, and it was Joran and his gang of PIMPS who abducted girls, drugged them and made porn videos of them for entertainment or for re-sale.  Was the fact that Freddy had the photography skills and Deepak had the computer skills of any significance whatsoever?  Why did it require so many people?  Surely, we agree that no young woman aside from an Aruban want to be bedded by Paulus vanderSloot, but then we only could suspect that maybe this had been done many times before for Paulus by these PIMPS, because it was well known on the island that Paulus and Joran inhabited institutions of gambling and drinking together.  were these holidays that Anita took more about getting away from Paulus and Joran than visiting relatives for the sake of love?  Why would a teacher choose to go abroad when it was her last week of school, one of the most important weeks in a teacher's year.  Why would she take her under-aged children abroad when their education should have been first and foremost?  Was this an attempt to remove them completely from Paulus and allow the now-crazed Joran and Paulus their freedoms on Aruba.  There is a reason why Anita and the two younger children were away at such a crucial time in education.  There is a reason why Deepak was brought into this.  From my reading on the conversations, it seems that Satish was concerned about 'what happened to the girl," but later he was brainwashed and coerced into telling lies to fit the stories of Paulus & his maggot son.  Anita was brought back to take Joran away from Aruba, but found that she was not going to be able to.  No one told me that, no one said that, but I am beginning to read through her just like I read through the meaning of her blouses.  She is a very transparent and malicious person, who if she had been the caring, giving and loving wife and mother would have never reproduced with this sick individual, Paulus.  She knew he was a loser.  She knew he was not a judge.  She lied to Greta to make Greta "respect" them.  She clearly stated to Greta that Paulus was a judge.  Greta is stupid.  She believed it and she believes Joran's and Taco's web of lies.  Is this a characteristic of a Dutch woman to believe the lies of Dutch men or all men?

Paulus is involved with Natalee's death from start to finish.  Joran was his accomplice.  Deepak was asked to assist in providing transportation.  Satish was along for the ride.  Paulus has convinced both the K2 that they are as guilty as him and Cabbagehead.

I think someone has gotten to the K2 and convinced them otherwise.  I think K2 are talking very little but saying a lot.

I agree with you Tyler but then again we always agree especially regarding Anita.  You hit the nail on the head and she is a cold person.

I also notice that we both agree that the two other boys were in Holland at the time and I think this is very important.  If you notice from their statements both Paulus and Joran make sure they mention the fact that the other two boys were home.  Paulus needs them to be home to secure his alibi and so does Joran.

Those kids were never home and I have always believe in the information that Widget found out.
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« Reply #536 on: April 28, 2007, 09:13:15 AM »

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Hi Dihanna!

Tyler, I think Beth was "with" Greta for the same reason we all tuned in tonight. She's more apt to cover the story than almost any other reporter, and you are right: Beth wanted the story out there, above all. It was her only hope to keep this story alive and in front of the public.

I'm sure she was grateful to Greta for helping her do that. Greta did do that whether she was always accurate or fair, she flat out devoted time to the story.


Remember the sequel to Saturday Night Fever?  ......the one with Finola Hughes and John Travolta..... at one point, Finola's character says to John "Everybody uses everybody".  

Pretty profound.
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« Reply #537 on: April 28, 2007, 09:15:40 AM »

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Video and posting in English:

http://www.24ora.com/

Thanks 24ora for the addition of English.

Thanks Buckeye.  I see Paulus at the house watching the guy dig in a certain spot.   He is probably telling him go to your left a little that is a little too close to where I buried something.


At the end of the video...I watched the papiamentu one...does it look like the dog "hits" on something by the cement wall??  Think I'm looking to hard.  The dog looks like he's sniffing then looks at the guy.  Probably just me...

The dog is looking in that area near the tree.

After watching the video again I'm getting pissed off watching Paulus talk to the guy who is digging.  He should not be there and a police officer should have told him to get away.
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« Reply #538 on: April 28, 2007, 09:20:25 AM »

Although you haven't heard from me in ages -- I'm still around and try to keep up!  As I stated on the front page -- it is hard to get too excited, but maybe THIS time we will get ANSWERS!!!
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« Reply #539 on: April 28, 2007, 09:22:13 AM »

hey guys, quick question:  is there a statue of limitations re: charges against JVdS?
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