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May 02, 2007, 02:21:41 PM »
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "snoopy"
Also found in my notes that the new concrete around the pool area was done between June 12 - 15, 2005. Beth was at the home on June 21st .
Rock On!!
FOM you bad monkey!!
isnt that right after the confession was given/retracted?
And right before the bogus SEARCH!
thanks for getting back on topic, what was the dtae of the bogus search, do you know?
I want to say June 16. My memory only says June 16 or 19, don't have doc for that but bet somebody does. So the concrete was VERY fresh when the searchers were there and no one said a word about it???
WTH were they thinking!
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Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
I think I remember reading that TES is going back out in june...Can anyone tell me why June and not now? Just curious if there is a reason, other than them being incredibly busy, for them to wait......
I imagine it has something to do with getting everything ready. It's a deep water search, so they have to have the ship and the equipment.
with the amount of missing people in the States, I doubt Tim is going to Aruba based on a whim... I hope he finds Natalee.
Wasn't he planning to do a deepwater search a while back and couldn't get some permits to do it? Maybe the paperwork takes a certain amount of time to go through.
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Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
I think I remember reading that TES is going back out in june...Can anyone tell me why June and not now? Just curious if there is a reason, other than them being incredibly busy, for them to wait......
I imagine it has something to do with getting everything ready. It's a deep water search, so they have to have the ship and the equipment.
with the amount of missing people in the States, I doubt Tim is going to Aruba based on a whim... I hope he finds Natalee.
I agree, and that is what prompted my question....When I found out they were going back,my heart leapt...I know they turned that island upside down the last time they were there...I love Tim Miller..have the most respect for him...would like to see him President...
I feel that if TES is going b ack, they must have something to go on....
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Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "blah"
Quote from: "snoopy"
Also found in my notes that the new concrete around the pool area was done between June 12 - 15, 2005. Beth was at the home on June 21st .
Rock On!!
FOM you bad monkey!!
isnt that right after the confession was given/retracted?
And right before the bogus SEARCH!
thanks for getting back on topic, what was the dtae of the bogus search, do you know?
I want to say June 16. My memory only says June 16 or 19, don't have doc for that but bet somebody does. So the concrete was VERY fresh when the searchers were there and no one said a word about it???
WTH were they thinking!
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LOL!! We know that one area the ALE was very interested to look at was the garden..Was that from obvious change in the landscape or they already had a tip?
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May 02, 2007, 02:28:55 PM »
I think the VDS home was searched on 6-15-2005.. I'm looking through some stuff, but I don't see the exact date.. I'm almost sure it was 6-15-2005.
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Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
I think I remember reading that TES is going back out in june...Can anyone tell me why June and not now? Just curious if there is a reason, other than them being incredibly busy, for them to wait......
I imagine it has something to do with getting everything ready. It's a deep water search, so they have to have the ship and the equipment.
with the amount of missing people in the States, I doubt Tim is going to Aruba based on a whim... I hope he finds Natalee.
Hi Monkeys, Just here for a moment.
I personally hope the Dutch prosecutors find something to prosecute someone. As much as I would like to see Natalee found I would prefer she was found by the Dutch.
Tim and Tes do so much for missing people. I would rather they save there time, money and effort for a later time.JMHO
I do find it reallly interesting that the concrete was done so early in the investigation. OK Bye now
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Two police officers walked through the Van Der Sloot family's one-story, yellow-beige home, while others guarded the entranceway. A blue sport utility vehicle and a red Jeep were also towed from the property.
Officers on the scene would not comment, and police spokesman Edwin Comemencia said he had no information.
MORE COMEMENCIA WAS AT THE VAN DER SLOOT HOUSE:
Updated Wed. Jun. 15, 2005 10:37 PM ET
Associated Press
NOORD, Aruba -- Aruban police Wednesday searched the home of a high-ranking Dutch judicial official whose son was with an Alabama honors student the night she disappeared, carrying out plastic garbage bags full of items and towing away two vehicles.
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May 02, 2007, 02:31:01 PM »
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "thirdstrike"
Quote from: "Rob"
BTW- Beth Twitty doesn't have two kids by two different fathers. Let's not get
that
rumor goin'.
At the same time, I'm not so sure Beth would condone calling other women who have kids by 2 different fathers "whores"...
I didn't hear Beth say that.. did you?
Not saying she did. I'm saying that she's the epitomy of class, and I'd be willing to bet that word has probably never come out of her mouth...
You have no way of knowing any such thing, XXX. You might be surprised at the words that will come out of somebody's mouth when they are pushed beyond human endurance.
Three children with three fathers, not two, but the last one was a married man was the point. I think biracial children have special issues to deal with sometimes and they need their fathers more than single race children. I say this as the mother of biracial children, mine are beautiful tan Hispanics and I made sure their father was in their life for guidance with those issues until the last one graduated from high school and it was not easy. But I did it.
I have been married more than once, big whoop, but only once in the Church. I don't think the comments about certain people are based just on their childbearing practices but what some of us have been told was their occupation or hobby or whatever in years past.
No one with a brain thinks a woman with children by more than one man is a bad person, has nothing to do with character. The person being bashed has other issued that do and I don't like that married man business. That is a major no no in my book, I don't care who you are.
Being single again, I have married men hit on me all the time and I send them packing in short order! I have no respect for any woman who is willing to destroy the family of another.
Don't even think about it if you are married!
If that offends, I am sorry but it is what I think.
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May 02, 2007, 02:33:04 PM »
here is the link to the last post I made.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159601,00.html
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so, I noticed again that the Natalee Behavior section of the wikipedia article is GONE again.
Just thought ya'll might want to know.
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May 02, 2007, 02:34:55 PM »
Quote from: "Rob"
here is the link to the last post I made.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159601,00.html
Thanks Rob.
Snoopy's post:
Also found in my notes that the new concrete around the pool area was done between June 12 - 15, 2005. Beth was at the home on June 21st .
So the search was on June 15 of the sloot home, right after the concrete work was done? No wonder PVDS didn't want a complete search.
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Quote from: "Rob"
Two police officers walked through the Van Der Sloot family's one-story, yellow-beige home, while others guarded the entranceway. A blue sport utility vehicle and a red Jeep were also towed from the property.
Officers on the scene would not comment, and police spokesman Edwin Comemencia said he had no information.
MORE COMEMENCIA WAS AT THE VAN DER SLOOT HOUSE:
Updated Wed. Jun. 15, 2005 10:37 PM ET
Associated Press
NOORD, Aruba -- Aruban police Wednesday searched the home of a high-ranking Dutch judicial official whose son was with an Alabama honors student the night she disappeared, carrying out plastic garbage bags full of items and towing away two vehicles.
Bah.. Papito also handled the Jogger and the Kalpoe Vehicle..You hear TJ Wards Radio Interview? He thinks they got the wrong car!!!
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Quote from: "jill"
so, I noticed again that the Natalee Behavior section of the wikipedia article is GONE again.
Just thought ya'll might want to know.
It's a constant battle. It just proves what a farce Wiki can be.
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May 02, 2007, 02:37:56 PM »
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "nikkibnurse"
I think I remember reading that TES is going back out in june...Can anyone tell me why June and not now? Just curious if there is a reason, other than them being incredibly busy, for them to wait......
I imagine it has something to do with getting everything ready. It's a deep water search, so they have to have the ship and the equipment.
with the amount of missing people in the States, I doubt Tim is going to Aruba based on a whim... I hope he finds Natalee.
Rob,
On one of Dana’s interviews, might have even been last year, Tim said he thought Natalee’s body was in the ocean and
is recoverable
. And at that time TES was about $100K short in funds to do the search.
I agree, I doubt Tim and TES are going to do a deep sea search based on a whim. I think he knows something that’s not been made common knowledge to the general public.
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so, I noticed again that the Natalee Behavior section of the wikipedia article is GONE again.
Just thought ya'll might want to know.
Is this not just WILD!! We remove the lies and somebody puts them back up again!!
They must monitor it every day.
Perhaps we should, too, to make sure its not put back.
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:::stomps on cooties::::
Sorry. I peeked in at RU to see if the head of the NFI had contacted Julie Renfroe or anyone there to tell them the results of any forensic testing.
What I did notice through the fog of
Raid
I had to use while there, is that they have a lot of opinions that aren't based on anything except their emotions. They slant the truth or make up stories to support their statements because they know they don't have anything to back up their opinions. Whatever the monkeys disagree on, there seems to be rational thought involved. I haven't seen monkeys try to slant the facts to support their theories, even if theories about people or events differ. That, to me, is one of the things that makes this site different.
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May 02, 2007, 02:39:43 PM »
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "jill"
so, I noticed again that the Natalee Behavior section of the wikipedia article is GONE again.
Just thought ya'll might want to know.
Is this not just WILD!! We remove the lies and somebody puts them back up again!!
They must monitor it every day.
Perhaps we should, too, to make sure its not put back.
They do!! I added some things last night and they were deleted this morning.
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Quote from: "LilPuma"
:::stomps on cooties::::
Sorry. I peeked in at RU to see if the head of the NFI had contacted Julie Renfroe or anyone there to tell them the results of any forensic testing.
What I did notice through the fog of
Raid
I had to use while there, is that they have a lot of opinions that aren't based on anything except their emotions. They slant the truth or make up stories to support their statements because they know they don't have anything to back up their opinions. Whatever the monkeys disagree on, there seems to be rational thought involved. I haven't seen monkeys try to slant the facts to support their theories, even if theories about people or events differ. That, to me, is one of the things that makes this site different.
I monitor those sites all day and will post if anyone from Aruba posts anything of interest. Yes, they have actually blamed everything on Beth and Natalee.
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So the concrete might not have even been good and dry and yet the searchers didn't think a thing of it?
I have never heard of such a thing in an investigation.
Just shows what a true farce it really was!
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Quote from: "BTgirl"
I agree with Snoop Dawg that the concrete could have been poured to cover up blood stains, rather than to conceal a body. I can imagine that on some surfaces it would be almost impossible to completely eradicate blood stains.
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