Lively Case Discussion #611 5/1 - 5/2/2007

[San]

Am I looking at the Zorpia site correctly - that he would have been 15 years old in 2006? Can someone that age be a pilot?

He's not a pilot  - his hobby is taking photos of planes

Okay, I know you know I'm not arguing - but this is what Kermie just posted   :

May 10, 2006 - Andres Meneses, an airoline pilot and photographer gives his 4th interview to Aruba LE.

He seems too young.  Could it be this kids father?

[klaasend]

Longshot?

Meneses / Valentijn connection?

May 30 - VAL - forums.x-plane.org    3:07 AM / computer records

http://forums.x-plane.org/

Andres Meneses is into flight simulation as well.  Also, his full name is Andres Meneses Calleja:

http://tinyurl.com/yv2kv7

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Tyler mentioned something her post about "bird on a wire".  Doesn't Shango or Simian make reference to that.

I found the quote:

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:10 pm
The last hope rests on the shoulders of the cowboys. Ten days, two down, eight to go.
The elder knows the passages in the palace too well. The Babylonians are afraid they might not be able to stop him.
Don’t shake the wire, ‘cause the bird will fy away.

Done by our sweet San.

   Sorry San .. I missed it.

[BTgirl]

Am I looking at the Zorpia site correctly - that he would have been 15 years old in 2006? Can someone that age be a pilot?

He's not a pilot  - his hobby is taking photos of planes

Okay, I know you know I'm not arguing - but this is what Kermie just posted   :

May 10, 2006 - Andres Meneses, an airoline pilot and photographer gives his 4th interview to Aruba LE.

He seems too young.  Could it be this kids father?

I was wondering the same thing, San. If the guy with the Zorpia site might be a junior.

[Anna]

I would think he could be a student pilot, still in training at fifteen.  Remember the little nine year old girl who crashed the plane about ten years or more ago?

He is in Costa Rico so maybe Widget could check him out?

.

[igsigs]

Longshot?

Meneses / Valentijn connection?

May 30 - VAL - forums.x-plane.org    3:07 AM / computer records

http://forums.x-plane.org/

Andres Meneses is into flight simulation as well.  Also, his full name is Andres Meneses Calleja:

http://tinyurl.com/yv2kv7

Is he the same age as Val?

[Anna]

Am I looking at the Zorpia site correctly - that he would have been 15 years old in 2006? Can someone that age be a pilot?

He's not a pilot  - his hobby is taking photos of planes

jeez, that's more boring than Joran's new hobby...

It is, ins't it?  Well, I feel the same way about people who like to look at photos of cars so guess it is the same thing.

But on YouTube note he does have videos if only two of them.  Not very good but vids none the less.

I don't think he is a pilot yet, only a wannabee but in training.

[Tylergal]

Kermit - here's a link to his webshots...still looking for a photo of him

http://tinyurl.com/2n7yz9

His Youtubes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0RRoiYfED0

Oh thank you Klaasend - I had not seen that.

Then it struck me - one of the Oduber son's likes to photograph/video tape planes too. I wonder if they are connected?

So does one of the Arends/Arendz guys.

Who?

Arendz runs a yellow mustang.
and
Max Arrends is in the US going to school

Which one does photography?

The one who is in the USA going to school is my understanding.  Isn't his father the one who dabbles in science?  If so, I believe it is he.  He seems to be a nice looking young man, who did it as a hobby.

[Tylergal]

He is a pilot and photographer.

Trying to find out information about him and why he would be called in for 7 statements to the Aruba investigation.

Or was he part of a camera crew and/or transport away into sexual slavery?

Well - he is from another country.

"ferries people between countries..."  I wonder what kind of people.  It sounded like tourists, but if you can ferry tourists, you can ferry others.  

[klaasend]

Longshot?

Meneses / Valentijn connection?

May 30 - VAL - forums.x-plane.org    3:07 AM / computer records

http://forums.x-plane.org/

Andres Meneses is into flight simulation as well.  Also, his full name is Andres Meneses Calleja:

http://tinyurl.com/yv2kv7

Is he the same age as Val?

Yep, within a year

[Lala'sMom]

I wonder what else he photographs?

[Tylergal]

Joran had to leave the casino to go pick up his dad who was flying in.  Huh?  Where was he flying in from?  He was not in Holland with Anita.  Did Joran really leave the casino and go pick up his dad since Joran "is not licensed to drive."  Did he actually leave the casino and pick Paulus up?

[Tylergal]

Kermit, who the heck is that guy? And what does he have to do with this case in your opinion?

He is a pilot and photographer.

Trying to find out information about him and why he would be called in for 7 statements to the Aruba investigation.

 Interesting as heck.

Maybe ALE had him go up in his plane and fly around to see what he could see and report back to them  

Tyler, so glad to see you tonight, my dear  

Thanks, Mishy.  I promise to watch my mouth.  

[Rob]

Longshot?

Meneses / Valentijn connection?

May 30 - VAL - forums.x-plane.org    3:07 AM / computer records

http://forums.x-plane.org/

Andres Meneses is into flight simulation as well.  Also, his full name is Andres Meneses Calleja:

http://tinyurl.com/yv2kv7

I saw a section with model stunt planes? like radio controlled.

[NM]

Hey Monkeys great work tonday!!!!

I wonder if this pilot was needed to move a body off aruba.

For what this info is worth, back in ~1985 I befriended a dutchman living in my area (lol I typed ear.). He was living here flying for a small airport to get enough hours to get his commercial pilot licence.  No one can fly in europe w/out commercial pilot licence, so he had to learn somewhere else.   When his visa expired he moved to St. Maartin and I believe completed his hours there. His goal was/is to fly for KLM dutch airline.

Don't think I'll fly klm ever again if this people mentioned tonight could be future commercial pilots!

[Observer]

Sounds to me like it was a planned abduction. Deepak was already talkin like NH was all over him..Same with joran the next day..They were already makin plans for a criminal act.

TJ ward said in that interview they tried to take her off the island alive but on the way to the beach something bad happened and they took her body off the island

[klaasend]

I don't believe Andres Meneses is a pilot.  He's a kid that is into photographing planes and flight simulation.  He's only 16 or 17 now.

[Rooscrew]

Tyler~
So GREAT to see you tonight!!  

Roos~

[klaasend]

Joran had to leave the casino to go pick up his dad who was flying in.  Huh?  Where was he flying in from?  He was not in Holland with Anita.  Did Joran really leave the casino and go pick up his dad since Joran "is not licensed to drive."  Did he actually leave the casino and pick Paulus up?

Well how could he if he couldn't drive    

[Sam]

Hi Monkeys,
Have been lurking and reading.

I used to chat at BFN and there was a kid there can't remember his sign in name. I will have to ask GrannyToad. He was very interested in Natalee and her case. He flew as a student. Sometimes flew to Aruba. Was from some other country, could have been Costa Rico. Do not know if he took photos or not. Always seemed real nice. JMHO

I think the ALE would interview anyone who took photos if they thought it would help there case. I do not think this kid Andre Meneses whether or not he was the poster at BFN or not is involved in something shady. It is interesting he has given so many statements and I would love to read them but again I do not think he is involved in anything shady.

Now what someone could do is email him at the email address he listed and find out what his involvement was. But please do not scare him to death. JMHO

Sam