Lively Case Discussion #611 5/1 - 5/2/2007

[Tylergal]

Am I looking at the Zorpia site correctly - that he would have been 15 years old in 2006? Can someone that age be a pilot?

He's not a pilot  - his hobby is taking photos of planes

Okay, I know you know I'm not arguing - but this is what Kermie just posted   :

May 10, 2006 - Andres Meneses, an airoline pilot and photographer gives his 4th interview to Aruba LE.

He seems too young.  Could it be this kids father?

One of my kids was flying a piper at that age.

[Observer]

That x-plane is just a popular plane simulation game..I know alot of people that play that

[San]

Am I looking at the Zorpia site correctly - that he would have been 15 years old in 2006? Can someone that age be a pilot?

He's not a pilot  - his hobby is taking photos of planes

Okay, I know you know I'm not arguing - but this is what Kermie just posted   :

May 10, 2006 - Andres Meneses, an airoline pilot and photographer gives his 4th interview to Aruba LE.

He seems too young.  Could it be this kids father?

One of my kids was flying a piper at that age.

Did you fly with him

[Anna]

I don't believe Andres Meneses is a pilot.  He's a kid that is into photographing planes and flight simulation.  He's only 16 or 17 now.

Right.  I think he could only fly with a flight instructor on board.  Looks like just one of the kids but this one is in another country?

[Observer]

Valentijn or whoever was up late posting on the forum

[Tylergal]

Joran had to leave the casino to go pick up his dad who was flying in.  Huh?  Where was he flying in from?  He was not in Holland with Anita.  Did Joran really leave the casino and go pick up his dad since Joran "is not licensed to drive."  Did he actually leave the casino and pick Paulus up?

Well how could he if he couldn't drive    

I believe he drove.  I believe we are being lied to about the driving.  I remember that Charles Croes told us that "the kids at the beach, when I went to the Cabana (sic) said that is Joran's car..."

[igsigs]

Is he the same age as Val?

Yep, within a year

Interesting. Looking at the computer records i cannot see how Val and Joran could have avoided each other that night. Val logs on to x-plane at 3:07 and Joran says he is home around 3:11.

Yet no PV from Val. Paulus might have denied ALE the right to talk to Val (the system!) forcing them to get info thru the backdoor from Meneses.

Something is fishy with this many PVs.

[Tylergal]

Am I looking at the Zorpia site correctly - that he would have been 15 years old in 2006? Can someone that age be a pilot?

He's not a pilot  - his hobby is taking photos of planes

Okay, I know you know I'm not arguing - but this is what Kermie just posted   :

May 10, 2006 - Andres Meneses, an airoline pilot and photographer gives his 4th interview to Aruba LE.

He seems too young.  Could it be this kids father?

One of my kids was flying a piper at that age.

Did you fly with him

Yes, actually I trusted him more than most pilots.  I knew how responsible he was and still is.

[klaasend]

Per MF at FOB:

According to Gerold Dompig, that his only worry is that the current team is looking under the same rocks that have already been turned over. He did not go into the details and strategy of the investigation but just the general work that has been done.

This was his biggest case he had in the years as a police officer. He hopes that one day the ALE and Prosecutor's office can come with a solution and give us all some answers. He knew that the latest searches came as a suggestion from the Director of the KLPD last week and that this is not an intervention of the KLPD in the case but a continuum of the investigation.

The investigation never stopped. A team of 15 ALE rechercheurs have been working continuously on the case and just because you do not hear any news, does not mean they are not working.

He underlined the fact that the Dutch authorities were always involved in this case and right now, as requested by them, they are doing a colleagues review of the initial investigation.

There is always what the ALE as investigators want to do, but laws and court and judge's decision might limit that since everybody has their right, but he is glad that this time, the judge and court saw the necessity to expand the search.

He finished by saying that this part of the investigation must not be seen as something individualistic  but as a team effort.

Monkey F.

[Tiger]

when has the law applied to Joran's age or morality.

[the big hammer]

Fly Boy Meneses

Klaase writes: I don't believe Andres Meneses is a pilot. He's a kid that is into photographing planes and flight simulation. He's only 16 or 17 now.

Thank you.

Let's get grounded.  The chances that Lil Andres is flying airplanes with human booty on board, or dropping corpses out of cargo doors at Angels 12 in the middle of the nite are very close to zero.

How about that great work spock did this afternoon?  Sure put the lie to deepak's "no sex" claim -- yes?

.

[Tibrogargan]

Hello Monkeys.

Finally caught up again - you are always more than half a day ahead of me - in posting not in real time.  

Tyler great to see that lovely rose again.

OK the pilot connection is interesting as opposed to the boat involvement to get kidnapped girls or bodies off the island.  Apart from that this kid may just go along for the ride and take photographs and is it possible he was on the missions of aerial photos for the ALE to help them co-ordinate a search. (Such as it was)

******* - yep it was planned and practiced at least 20 times before.

Tyler and Klaas maybe this was Joran's way of saying he went with whomever was picking up Paulus - most likely the Kalpoe Kab Kompany

[klaasend]

Fly Boy Meneses

Klaase writes: I don't believe Andres Meneses is a pilot. He's a kid that is into photographing planes and flight simulation. He's only 16 or 17 now.

Thank you.

Let's get grounded.  The chances that Lil Andres is flying airplanes with human booty on board, or dropping corpses out of cargo doors at Angels 12 in the middle of the nite are very close to zero.

How about that great work spock did this afternoon?  Sure put the lie to deepak's "no sex" claim -- yes?
.

YEP  

[Sam]

Joran had to leave the casino to go pick up his dad who was flying in.  Huh?  Where was he flying in from?  He was not in Holland with Anita.  Did Joran really leave the casino and go pick up his dad since Joran "is not licensed to drive."  Did he actually leave the casino and pick Paulus up?

Tyler, Am I missing something here? Where is that info coming from?

[BTgirl]

Per MF at FOB:

According to Gerold Dompig, that his only worry is that the current team is looking under the same rocks that have already been turned over. He did not go into the details and strategy of the investigation but just the general work that has been done.

This was his biggest case he had in the years as a police officer. He hopes that one day the ALE and Prosecutor's office can come with a solution and give us all some answers. He knew that the latest searches came as a suggestion from the Director of the KLPD last week and that this is not an intervention of the KLPD in the case but a continuum of the investigation.

The investigation never stopped. A team of 15 ALE rechercheurs have been working continuously on the case and just because you do not hear any news, does not mean they are not working.

He underlined the fact that the Dutch authorities were always involved in this case and right now, as requested by them, they are doing a colleagues review of the initial investigation.

There is always what the ALE as investigators want to do, but laws and court and judge's decision might limit that since everybody has their right, but he is glad that this time, the judge and court saw the necessity to expand the search.

He finished by saying that this part of the investigation must not be seen as something individualistic  but as a team effort.

Monkey F.

   

[klaasend]

Joran had to leave the casino to go pick up his dad who was flying in.  Huh?  Where was he flying in from?  He was not in Holland with Anita.  Did Joran really leave the casino and go pick up his dad since Joran "is not licensed to drive."  Did he actually leave the casino and pick Paulus up?

Tyler, Am I missing something here? Where is that info coming from?

In the beginning of the case it was said Joran went to pick up his dad at the airport.

[Lala'sMom]

So what does this guy have to do with anything?  Any ideas?

[Anna]

Is he the same age as Val?

Yep, within a year

Interesting. Looking at the computer records i cannot see how Val and Joran could have avoided each other that night. Val logs on to x-plane at 3:07 and Joran says he is home around 3:11.

Yet no PV from Val. Paulus might have denied ALE the right to talk to Val (the system!) forcing them to get info thru the backdoor from Meneses.

Something is fishy with this many PVs.

Sounds like the most reasonable idea so far.  Was he in contact with Val that night.

There  is one time segment when both Joran and Val are logged on to the computer, too.  How can that be?  Can't do that on mine.

[klaasend]

So what does this guy have to do with anything?  Any ideas?

We really don't know.  Maybe he was playing a flight simulation game with Val?  Maybe he took some photos they wanted info on.  We don't know.

[Rob]

Is he the same age as Val?

Yep, within a year

Interesting. Looking at the computer records i cannot see how Val and Joran could have avoided each other that night. Val logs on to x-plane at 3:07 and Joran says he is home around 3:11.

Yet no PV from Val. Paulus might have denied ALE the right to talk to Val (the system!) forcing them to get info thru the backdoor from Meneses.

Something is fishy with this many PVs.

Interesting igsigs