Lively Case Discussion #612 5/2 - 5/4/2007

[Dayhiker]

Morning Monks-

I am reminded of what Kermit posted on the FP the other day.

He said that others will be arrested that we have not heard of before. This Andres is someone I have not heard of before last nite... just like everyone else...

This person fits his criteria and Kermit has been saying this for well over a year.

just something else to think about.

Is this the pimps official photographer and Freddy the video man? Who was in that white car closely following K2 in deepak's car as they drove in front of the diamond store?

[spooky112483]

Hey!
 I need to ask the collective "we" about something I've just heard.

Is Beth seeing Jon Benet's daddy?

seems so. (and i just deleted everthing else i had typed)

[msmarple]

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/5/3/

Victima a keda cu su cara full na sanger:
SEÑORA A HINCA AMANTE DI SU CASA CU SCHROEFDRAAIER  

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Ayeranochi, un incidente inusual a keda reporta ora cu dos dama, un arubiano y otro stranhero, a topa na un restaurant di “fast food” na Santa Cruz y e ora ey un pelea formal a cuminza.

Segun datonan colecta na e sitio di e incidente, e pleito entre e dos señoranan aki tabata debi na e hecho cu un di nan, esta, e stranhero a pidi un lift pa bay cumpra cuminda pe y pa su yiu na e restaurant aki. Eynan, el a bin topa cu su auto maneha pa un muher.

Ta asina cu ta su casa a bay trabao cu su auto, pero ta parce, el a haya hamber y a pidi su supuesto amante, un persona local, bay cumpra cuminda pe sin pensa cu eynan e lo a topa cu su propio casa.

Online Pap translator:

victima owing to stay cu his cara full at sanger:
madam owing to hinca lover of his casa cu schroefdraaier

oranjestad (aan): last, one incidente inusual owing to stay reporta hour cu two lady, one aruban y another foreigner, owing to come across at one restaurant of “fast food” at santa cruz y the hour ey one action serious owing to cuminza.

according datonan colecta at the sitio of the incidente, the quarrel among the two señoranan here was debi at the mature cu one of they, esta, the foreigner owing to ask one lift for bay cumpra cuminda pe y for his child at the restaurant here. eynan, past owing to come come across cu his car maneha for one muher.

is so cu is his {??} casa owing to bay trabao cu his car, but is seems, past owing to achieve hungry y owing to ask his supuesto lover, one person local, bay cumpra cuminda pe without think cu eynan the will owing to come across cu his own casa.

No idea what happened here.

[spooky112483]

man! that looks like it hurt!

[snoopy]

You know what gets me about this?  Ok I know that he should not have been running out in public, and in public places and private business with a handgun.  That was wrong.  Should he be thrown in  prison? No in my opinion and I am very conservative.

What gets me is how selective they are with the prosecution of crimes.  I mean come on.  Sounds like drug dealers everywhere.  I know drugs are everywhere, and Aruba isn't the only place with that problem.

And the other crimes we read about all the time.  You read about the crime, but how often to we read later about the prosecution of that crime? hhhmmmm.

Oh and what happened to the person that committed the crime against Michael Saladin?  Has he been prosecuted.  Maybe he has.

And of course Natalee.  

JMHO

[Rob]

Morning Monks-

I am reminded of what Kermit posted on the FP the other day.

He said that others will be arrested that we have not heard of before. This Andres is someone I have not heard of before last nite... just like everyone else...

This person fits his criteria and Kermit has been saying this for well over a year.

just something else to think about.

Is this the pimps official photographer and Freddy the video man? Who was in that white car closely following K2 in deepak's car as they drove in front of the diamond store?

Good Morning Dayhiker-
I have no idea how this person is involved.

There appears to be more than a passing fancy. Remember Lorenzo was once questioned once as far as I know. This kid / guy was questioned 7 times. He seems to be a high priority witness / suspect... who know???

[snoopy]

Hey!
 I need to ask the collective "we" about something I've just heard.

Is Beth seeing Jon Benet's daddy?

That's what we've heard, and I truly hope she can find some degree of happiness.  She deserves it.

[Rob]

The bloody woman looks like a love triangle gone bad. One woman caught up with the mistress is how I read it....I could be wrong.

[Kimmy53]

Good Morning Monkeys!!  Good to see you all this a.m.

Good Morning Kimmy!!  

Hey Snoopy!  Hope is all well your way!

Doing great Kimmy.  Thanks for asking.  Been workin way too hard though.  I always take on too much work and set too many deadlines for myself.  Gotta have everything in order by May 19th cause I'm goin on a cruise.  Maiden voyage of the Liberty of The Seas.  Can't wait.  May get to meet Flyingmermaid when I'm down that way.   WOOHOO  

I need a vacation bad!  

Wow!  I bet you are excited!!!  I am Jealous!!!  Would love to go on a cruise, DH doesn't like the idea.  I think me and the kids will go sometime- DH will just have to miss out.

My nephew is getting married this weekend and I am so excited over that.  He is so special to me, and the girl he is marrying is just darling.  I hope I don't blubber all over the place, I got a feeling I will though.  He is the first of my nephews/neices getting married.

[crazybabyborg]

Hey!
 I need to ask the collective "we" about something I've just heard.

Is Beth seeing Jon Benet's daddy?

That's what we've heard, and I truly hope she can find some degree of happiness.  She deserves it.

Phone rang, just getting back. Yeah! Me too, Snoopy! He should be able to bring a lot of understanding to the table!

[Dayhiker]

Is this the pimps official photographer and Freddy the video man? Who was in that white car closely following K2 in deepak's car as they drove in front of the diamond store?

Good Morning Dayhiker-
I have no idea how this person is involved.

There appears to be more than a passing fancy. Remember Lorenzo was once questioned once as far as I know. This kid / guy was questioned 7 times. He seems to be a high priority witness / suspect... who know???

Morning Rob, he was brought in so early and questioned so many times seems he was part of the crowd that night, or if he was being used to do arial photography maybe he was an insider that could get near the Sloots and pimps.

[Dayhiker]

The bloody woman looks like a love triangle gone bad. One woman caught up with the mistress is how I read it....I could be wrong.

Yep. A quarrel among the two señoranan. She must have been the pinata.

[msmarple]

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/5/3/

TA SIMPLEMENTE CONTINUIDAD TIN DEN E CASO
DI NATALEE HOLLOWAY

Señor Gerold Dompig, den calidad di ex-comisario di Cuerpo Policial, den entrevista pa Matutino DIARIO a opina tocante e bishita di un team di experto Hulandes cu a bin Aruba, pa sigui investiga riba e caso cu ainda no a haya solucion, esta e desaparicion di Natalee Holloway, den nos pais.

Debi cu señor Dompig no ta den e organizacion policial mas, el a tene su mes apart di duna comentario relaciona cu aspectonan manera estrategia, simplemente pasobra e ta desconoce con e situacion ta worde trata aworaki.

Pero papiando den termino general, como cu el a biba e caso aki pa basta tempo (bay cas cune, drumi y lanta cune), y cu e tabata e caso mas impresionante den henter su carera policial, sr. Dompig ta spera cu su ex-coleganan di KPA y Ministerio Publico, lo por un dia duna mas contesta riba locual por a pasa.

Dompig a splica cu Hulanda semper tabata parti di e investigacion y no ta asina cu diripiente e grupo a bin. Pasobra esaki ta un continuidad, algo cu nan tabata ocupa cune for di principio y ta bezig awor tambe. Pues no ta un asunto cu a muri y despues un grupo di Hulanda a dicidi pa bin haci cualkier cos, segun ex-Comisario Dompig.

El a menciona cu den e linea constante aki, no tur ora e publico ta wak kico ta pasando, pero no ta nifica cu nada ta sosodiendo, y e ta desea su coleganan tur e sabiduria pa yega na un conclusion di e caso aki.

Señor Dompig a reitera cu Hulanda semper a worde pidi pa yuda, y den e caso aki nan yudanza tabata basa riba un “Colegial Review” manera nan ta yame, na unda nan a haya e peticion pa revisa e caso.

Encuanto e hecho cu e team Hulandes ta bishitando e mesun lugarnan cu e team anterior di cual e ex-Comisario a forma part di dje, Dompig a bisa cu no mester lubida cu ora investigacion ta tumando lugar, polis no ta dicidi unda pa bay listra, pero nan tin e deseo pa haci algo y Corte (Hueznan) tin cu duna o.k pa nan por haci esaki.

Y den e siguimento aki, e ex-Comisario a expresa su satisfaccion cu e magistradonan a wak e necesidad pa tuma e accion aki awor. El a subraya cu e ta dunando su opinion observando for di pafo, y como tal e ta kere cu no mester wak e accion aki como algo cu ta sali for di nada, y a reitera cu esaki ta un continuidad y cu e ta contento cu nan a logra di convence Corte pa nan haci e search aki y su speranza ta cu un dia lo tin contesta.

Online Pap translation:

is simplemente continuidad have in the caso of natalee holloway..

oranjestad (aan) – sir gerold dompig, in calidad of ex-comisario of cuerpo policial, in interview for matutino daily paper owing to opina tocante the visit of one team of experto dutch cu owing to come aruba, for follow investiga on the caso cu still not owing to achieve solucion, esta the desaparicion of natalee holloway, in we country.

debi cu sir dompig do not in the organizacion policial more, past owing to as his self apart of give comentario relaciona cu aspectonan as estrategia, simplemente because the is desconoce con the situation is worde deal aworaki.

but papiando in termino general, because; cu past owing to live the caso here for enough time (bay cas cune, sleep y arise cune), y cu the was the caso more impresionante in all his carera policial, sr. dompig is wait for cu his ex-coleganan of kpa y ministerio publico, will can one day give more contesta on locual can owing to happen.

dompig owing to splica cu the netherlands always was part of the investigacion y do not so cu diripiente the are owing to come. because this is one continuidad, algo cu they was ocupa cune for of principio y is bezig now also. then do not one asunto cu owing to die y after one are of the netherlands owing to dicidi for come haci cualkier cos, according ex-comisario dompig.

past owing to menciona cu in the linea constante here, not all hour the publico looking at kico is pasando, but do not nifica cu nothing is sosodiendo, y the is desea his coleganan all the sabiduria for arrive at one conclusion of the caso here.

sir dompig owing to reitera cu the netherlands always owing to worde ask for help, y in the caso here they yudanza was basa on one “colegial review” as they're yame, at where they owing to achieve the peticion for revisa the caso.

encuanto the mature cu the team dutch is bishitando the same lugarnan cu the team anterior of cual the ex-comisario owing to form part of dje, dompig owing to tell cu not have to forget cu hour investigacion is tumando lugar, police do not dicidi where for bay listra, but they have the desire for haci algo y corte (hueznan) have cu give or.k for they can haci this.

y in the siguimento here, the ex-comisario owing to expresa his satisfaccion cu the magistradonan owing to look at the necesidad for take the accion here now. past owing to subraya cu the is dunando his opinion observando for of pafo, y because; such the is believe cu not have to look at the accion here because; algo cu is leave for of nothing, y owing to reitera cu this is one continuidad y cu the is contento cu they owing to succeed of convence corte for they haci the search here y his speranza is cu one day will have contesta.

***

Don't think this offers any new information.

[Kimmy53]

The bloody woman looks like a love triangle gone bad. One woman caught up with the mistress is how I read it....I could be wrong.

Yep. A quarrel among the two señoranan. She must have been the pinata.

     

[msmarple]

http://www.amigoe.com/english/

Plans for hotels and golf course approved  

ORANJESTAD – According to the project developers of Sunrise Development Group, the government has approved the plans for the development of three hotels and a golf course on a total of 750 acres, approximately 300 hectares near Baby Beach and Seroe Colorado .  Other than the five-star hotels, Sunrise is also going to realize facilities like Las Vegas-style casinos, shoppes, a kids’ adventure camp, and a dive-shop.  Sunrise will also build houses and timeshare apartments.   The Aruba Rock Hotel & Spa is going to be a hotel complex directly on the shoreline at Seroe Colorado , south-east of the KIA; the Boca Grande Beach hotel is going to be build near Boca Grande.  The 18-holes golf course will be in international style.  There will also be a hotel facility near Baby Beach with a huge water garden as beautification.  

The Sunrise Development Group has been deliberating since 2004 with the Aruban government about the realization of the plans that fit MEP’s election promise, which is develop this area and stimulate the tourism.  The Sunrise Development Group was founded by a group of innovative businessmen, like among others Albert Best (architect and founder of Archis Design Group), Kenneth Best (staff member Hart Hotels), Brent Gephart (Alteren), Ed Gowan (Arizona Golf Association), and Alex Nieuwmeyer (Divi Resorts).

Cabinet Oduber causes poverty  

ORANJESTAD – The cost of living has increased in such way that people on a minimum wage have massively run into problems.  But not only the people with a low income, also the ones with a medium income are about to run into problems.  Mike Eman of AVP says that it is so sad that the Oduber-government refuses to consider the problems of the Aruban citizens.  

The increase of the price for food is an omen.  Eman quotes figures from the Central Bureau for Statistics (CBS), which shows that in January, the price for food has increased with almost 10 percent compared with January last year; The price of fruit and vegetables has even increased with 27 percent.  “We noticed that many families are running deeper into problems, because the prices of food, cloths, and transportation have increased drastically.  Because of this, many families can no longer pay their current obligations, like rent or mortgage, electricity and water, and loans.    

More and more families are in a financial crisis.  The result of this is a growing poverty in our society and an impoverishment of many more people.  It starts to look like the poor ones are getting poorer”, said Eman.

We hear and see everywhere how the social problems are increasing due to the money eating policy of the government.  And in order to keep the costs down, the government constantly comes with new measures, and the people can no longer bear this."

[Rob]

Wait a sec- doesnt the Sunrise corp own the HI.. I think they do...better not start spending any money just yet.

If Deepak and Satish have an 800 million dollar lawsuit over words, imagine what the HI, CnC and the Excelsior will be sued for the actual crime and the complicity.

[msmarple]

I thought the Amigoe article, re. Cabinet Oduber causes poverty, was interesting - for the fact that Amigoe published it. Sounds more like Jossy.

I'll never forget that Amigoe was where the "Max De Vries is alive / insurance scam" rumor was published. Quoted Dompig.

[Lala'sMom]

Good Morning Monkeys!  Have they started on the concrete yet?  Dig up the pool!!

Notice to all Shango/Simian detractors....about to post concerning this...stand by...

[snoopy]

Good Morning Monkeys!  Have they started on the concrete yet?  Dig up the pool!!

Notice to all Shango/Simian detractors....about to post concerning this...stand by...

Good M orning Lala's  

OK I'm waiting.........................

[snoopy]

Msmarple  wanted to tell you what am awesome job ya'll are doing on the Murder and Crime Thread.  Ya'll rock!