Lively Case Discussion #612 5/2 - 5/4/2007

[klaasend]

Oduber family:



Hyro Oduber from the website:

[Dayhiker]

It could be she was handed off at about the time of the 2:35 call to DK. That call lastest six minutes. Andre, Guido, and Steve have to fit into this somehow. We know very little of their timelines that night. Steve did not give that alibi for "no reason". IMO

Thank you Spock.. yes you're right we do not know their time-lines.. is this Andres providing a time-line?

The abducted twice in one night by people not related to each other just doesn't work for me... what are the odd?

So maybe they did hand Natalee off?

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, who the heck were the people following Deepak out of town in that white car? Could these be a second group, names we haven't heard before?

[Rob]

Klaas they are different people...that's Nelson's kids. I know you know that...

This Luis Oduber has to be related but is not one of his kids.

I think the connection is through Augustin Vrolijk.. head of the Airport and former fishery head honcho.

Nel's kids are Nelson Jr. Gleason and something like Danguillleme

[Observer]

Probably waistin my time but I am looking at this jairo(Hyro) oduber's blog. Looks like he has a interest in Natalee Holloway as well. His views arent surprising. I wonder if this is nelson oduber's son? Also president of air aruba(Flight simulation)and photography.


http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-u8kQff45YrR3e2EFtBzh_wEK

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 this is how I found Chito Oduber .. through Hyro and Luis...

I was looking for another person named Luis and now I think Luis Oduber was the same person I was looking for...except their jobs seem to be different... that is of course, if I had the correct employment for 'Luis'.

does anyone have a photo of Luis Oduber?

I saw luis name pop up a few times in this flight/aviation crap. He is involved in that as well.

[Anna]

Could there be somebody with the same name as Andres Meneses who lives in Aruba?  Seems he would need to be more local to be involved.

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Why, yes, Anna, it certainly could well be.

I'd look for a bartender with that name if it were me.

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[Rob]

It could be she was handed off at about the time of the 2:35 call to DK. That call lastest six minutes. Andre, Guido, and Steve have to fit into this somehow. We know very little of their timelines that night. Steve did not give that alibi for "no reason". IMO

Thank you Spock.. yes you're right we do not know their time-lines.. is this Andres providing a time-line?

The abducted twice in one night by people not related to each other just doesn't work for me... what are the odd?

So maybe they did hand Natalee off?

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, who the heck were the people following Deepak out of town in that white car? Could these be a second group, names we haven't heard before?

Dayhiker- I don't think anyone is ignoring your question... I don't think anyone knows... jmo...

[oldfart]

Name: Maria Bernadeta Kelly
Date: 9 May 2006
Pages: 7
Writer Ilnitiator: Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement by a friend of Andres Meneses

If we can find Maria... then maybe the correct Andres  ???

[Rob]

btw Dayhiker.. if they were following them.. I would think they must have been caught on th DI corner camera.. unless they just went directly to the rendezvous site.

[Anna]

It could be she was handed off at about the time of the 2:35 call to DK. That call lastest six minutes. Andre, Guido, and Steve have to fit into this somehow. We know very little of their timelines that night. Steve did not give that alibi for "no reason". IMO

Thank you Spock.. yes you're right we do not know their time-lines.. is this Andres providing a time-line?

The abducted twice in one night by people not related to each other just doesn't work for me... what are the odd?

So maybe they did hand Natalee off?

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, who the heck were the people following Deepak out of town in that white car? Could these be a second group, names we haven't heard before?

Dayhiker- I don't think anyone is ignoring your question... I don't think anyone knows... jmo...

No body.  Just some kids staying at the HI.  Trying to say they were some of the MB kids and they did something to Natalee.  Feeble attempt to connect MB kids to Natalee's disappearance.  They claim the car was rental and turned in at the HI.

Another Designer Lie.


JMO,

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[Dayhiker]

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, who the heck were the people following Deepak out of town in that white car? Could these be a second group, names we haven't heard before?

Dayhiker- I don't think anyone is ignoring your question... I don't think anyone knows... jmo...

Just throwing that theory out there Rob. If I recall that video this car was right on Deepak's tail, and wasn't there a statement that mentioned a car of guys harassing them? (which of course, could be a lie)

[Tylergal]

Could there be somebody with the same name as Andres Meneses who lives in Aruba?  Seems he would need to be more local to be involved.

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Why, yes, Anna, it certainly could well be.

I'd look for a bartender with that name if it were me.

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Yes, it does seem that sometimes we only talk to ourselves.  I heard the bartender was not brought in until a year later.

[Anna]

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, who the heck were the people following Deepak out of town in that white car? Could these be a second group, names we haven't heard before?

Dayhiker- I don't think anyone is ignoring your question... I don't think anyone knows... jmo...

Just throwing that theory out there Rob. If I recall that video this car was right on Deepak's tail, and wasn't there a statement that mentioned a car of guys harassing them? (which of course, could be a lie)

     

I didn't eve see it in the original video.  Are you sure about that Dayhiker?  I think they made this up to try to make a MB connection.  I don't think anybody was following them at all and I sure didn't see them in the video.

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[Dayhiker]

btw Dayhiker.. if they were following them.. I would think they must have been caught on th DI corner camera.. unless they just went directly to the rendezvous site.

I do subscribe to the simple theory of the three and very possibly  Paulus, but if there are others that car fits into the timeline because it would have had to come down fast.

[Anna]

Could there be somebody with the same name as Andres Meneses who lives in Aruba?  Seems he would need to be more local to be involved.

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Why, yes, Anna, it certainly could well be.

I'd look for a bartender with that name if it were me.

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Yes, it does seem that sometimes we only talk to ourselves.  I heard the bartender was not brought in until a year later.

Just wondering if he could be the one who reportedly got the sobbing phone calls.

Has to be somebody very involved and the bartenders at C&C come to mind because we have never heard their names or the results of their questioning.

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[Rob]

I have a question or a whatever you wanna call it..

is it possible that this person Andres Meneses is a piece of propaganda designed to throw everyone still looking at Joran off the track and they interview him to allow more statements that have nothing to do with the case?

[Tylergal]

"I finished drinking from my cup and one of the MB guys wanted a cup.  He did not have a cup.  I gave him my cup."

Now just in case that cup is found with XTC in it, I know that MB kid was the one that put it there.       Joran is as transparent as Anita in the transparent blouse.  My, they do not have to advertise their wares, now don't they?  Next we will see is Anita in a bikini.  (Do they make them that large?)  It might be she is just a size 10 --- their shoes and bodies seem to shrink in Aruba along with their designer lies and paid friends.

[Dayhiker]

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, who the heck were the people following Deepak out of town in that white car? Could these be a second group, names we haven't heard before?

Dayhiker- I don't think anyone is ignoring your question... I don't think anyone knows... jmo...

Just throwing that theory out there Rob. If I recall that video this car was right on Deepak's tail, and wasn't there a statement that mentioned a car of guys harassing them? (which of course, could be a lie)

     

I didn't eve see it in the original video.  Are you sure about that Dayhiker?  I think they made this up to try to make a MB connection.  I don't think anybody was following them at all and I sure didn't see them in the video.

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I think it was mentioned in the "Most Wanted" Dutch video and there was video of it. I am pretty sure this is the source and if so it came from NRI.

[adoronron]

Check this out...

Note who the photographer is for these photos
http://http://tinyurl.com/2wcxom

What I find interresting, if it's the same Andres Meneses, is that there seems to be no photos posted at this website for June 2005.  Theres May and July but nothing for June.

I found some for March 2005 and whenI went back, there were 6000+ viewers and the photos were gone.

I was looking at his stuff this morning and noticed he has no photos I can find that were taken in Aruba. Most were taken in Costa Rica and Florida.

[Dayhiker]

Could there be somebody with the same name as Andres Meneses who lives in Aruba?  Seems he would need to be more local to be involved.

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Why, yes, Anna, it certainly could well be.

I'd look for a bartender with that name if it were me.

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Yes, it does seem that sometimes we only talk to ourselves.  I heard the bartender was not brought in until a year later.

Doesn't the bartender show up in the Kalpoe discovery request? Would be good to know, and on what date.

[shadow]

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may have already had this info but thought I'd bring it over anyway as I find their list of services interesting considering the discussion