Lively Case Discussion #612 5/2 - 5/4/2007

[klaasend]

RAMM is on chapter 3 on Jorans book.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=6885.msg222854;topicseen#new

- For some time a dutch boy Marco was part of the gang. For a while when both Joran and Marco where the only ones in the group who had girlfriends then hung out a lot, double dated and stuff. Marco did not go to school but was a very good tennis player, much better than Joran. Marco left the gang and their friendship ended slowly but surely. Marco works at the casino of the Holiday Inn, the Excelsior. Joran sometimes talked to him there.


Hummm Marco/Guido had a girlfriend.  Oh that's right his lawyer said he was gay and that is impossible.  Either Joran is covering for the fact that he is a switch hitter or Guido is in fact straight.

According to Guido's own statement that was presented in the court, he and Joran had more than a "platonic" relationship at one time.

[Observer]

Somebody is lying once again..lol   Spong his lawyer in Holland said Guido is openly gay and everyone knows that..He wears makeup..Of course a few days earlier Guidos Dad said he did not know Joran Van Der Sloot..

Funny how Joran speaks well of everyone except Deepak and Satish in the Book...

[the big hammer]

Death by OD

******* writes: That would be very logical and I also thought that for quite a while. Just too many things dont add up that NH was unconscious and never woke up.

Dr Baden has described in excruciating detail -- on air -- the process of death caused by overdosing on a date-rape - or other - drug.  Especially given what he knew as a fairly healthy, and other wise fairly normal, 18 yr old female.

The death process from overdose takes takes hours, and can actually last a full day: 24 hours.  The domino effects of various body systems breaking down, and the cascading to an ultimate conclusion does NOT happen in 2-3 hours.  The unconscious state, while still alive, can go on for a long time.

If Natalee was dead by 3:30AM on 5/30/05 -- she was more than likely murdered resulting from a physical assault.

It is understandable, in retrospect today, given this explanation why Jannsen filed "premeditated murder" charges against Paulus van der Sloot.
Jannsen's filing brings forward the most monstrous of many possible outcomes:

That Paulus intentionally killed an unconscious and drugged Natalee, in order to dispose of her body, and to hide the ravages of the assault she suffered at the hands of his deviant son.

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[San]

John Q. Kelly is on Greta and he is representing Imus in a lawsuit against CBS.

[Kat_Gram]

Interesting..In Jorans book he says that Guido(Marco)Had a girlfriend..

- For some time a dutch boy Marco was part of the gang. For a while when both Joran and Marco where the only ones in the group who had girlfriends then hung out a lot, double dated and stuff. Marco did not go to school but was a very good tennis player, much better than Joran. Marco left the gang and their friendship ended slowly but surely. Marco works at the casino of the Holiday Inn, the Excelsior. Joran sometimes talked to him there.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=6885.0

More likely put in there at Marco's parents insistence to cover his possible inclinations.  We all have a fair idea what sort of double dating they could mean.

Well, even if he had a girlfriend, it doesn't mean he couldn't also have had a boyfriend. There is a gay couple who attend the same church I do, and one of them used to be married and has two children.

Well, he doesn't say how old Marco was. It could be BEFORE Marco realized he wasn't interested in girls in the ususal way. Maybe the girls were interested in Marco because he was safe. And didn't try to drug them and have sex. And then forget their names. And refer to them as Fishy.

[Observer]

Death by OD

******* writes: That would be very logical and I also thought that for quite a while. Just too many things dont add up that NH was unconscious and never woke up.

Dr Baden has described in excruciating detail -- on air -- the process of death caused by overdosing on a date-rape - or other - drug.  Especially given what he knew as a fairly healthy, and other wise fairly normal, 18 yr old female.

The death process from overdose takes takes hours, and can actually last a full day: 24 hours.  The domino effects of various body systems breaking down, and the cascading to an ultimate conclusion does NOT happen in 2-3 hours.  The unconscious state, while still alive, can go on for a long time.

If Natalee was dead by 3:30AM on 5/30/05 -- she was more than likely murdered resulting from a physical assault.

It is understandable, in retrospect today, given this explanation why Jannsen filed "premeditated murder" charges against Paulus van der Sloot.
Jannsen's filing brings forward the most monstrous of many possible outcomes:

That Paulus intentionally killed an unconscious and drugged Natalee, in order to dispose of her body, and to hide the ravages of the assault she suffered at the hands of his deviant son.

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.

Or she was hit by a car. Fell of a wall or gate. Had her head bashed by Joran on cement..Any of these things could have happened..But I agree that Paulus was called in at some point and he determined not to get her to the hospital or brought her back home thinking she would wake up at some point.

"If they see the girl..They will see the S***"--Deepak Kalpoe
"Your own father..Unbeleavable"--Deepak Kalpoe

[KatzHome]

Death by OD

That Paulus intentionally killed an unconscious and drugged Natalee, in order to dispose of her body, and to hide the ravages of the assault she suffered at the hands of his deviant son.

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That makes perfect sense to me, Hammer ~ but, then again, 'bout everything you've ever posted has...

And, hi everyone!  How ya'll doing?

Death by OD

******* writes: That would be very logical and I also thought that for quite a while. Just too many things dont add up that NH was unconscious and never woke up.

Dr Baden has described in excruciating detail -- on air -- the process of death caused by overdosing on a date-rape - or other - drug.  Especially given what he knew as a fairly healthy, and other wise fairly normal, 18 yr old female.

The death process from overdose takes takes hours, and can actually last a full day: 24 hours.  The domino effects of various body systems breaking down, and the cascading to an ultimate conclusion does NOT happen in 2-3 hours.  The unconscious state, while still alive, can go on for a long time.

If Natalee was dead by 3:30AM on 5/30/05 -- she was more than likely murdered resulting from a physical assault.

It is understandable, in retrospect today, given this explanation why Jannsen filed "premeditated murder" charges against Paulus van der Sloot.
Jannsen's filing brings forward the most monstrous of many possible outcomes:

That Paulus intentionally killed an unconscious and drugged Natalee, in order to dispose of her body, and to hide the ravages of the assault she suffered at the hands of his deviant son.

.

.

[BTgirl]

Hi Katzhome! Long time no see.

[mishy]

Hi monkeys...what if Natalee were indeed unconscious for a long period of time as Hammer posted from Dr. Boden's revelations, thus moving her from place to place, as was rumored early on? Maybe they were waiting/thinking she would come to and when she succumbed, they disposed of her body   ...Hmmm, just a thought...

[KatzHome]

Hey BT!  {{{hugs}}}  What a cut lil sock monkey!!!!

And yeah...  been really busy...  Prince has been in town...  been out dancing a whole lot...  drawing a lot too...

And taking voice and dancing come the Fall semester...

Per4ming is the art form that I really love, BT...

How are you, and how is everyone?

And, you know ~ I've never forgotten anyone here ~ nor Natalee and her family and friends ~ everyone has been in my prayers...

[mishy]

Hi Katzhome! Long time no see.

Hey girl...howzit been going for you?

[BTgirl]

Hi monkeys...what if Natalee were indeed unconscious for a long period of time as Hammer posted from Dr. Boden's revelations, thus moving her from place to place, as was rumored early on? Maybe they were waiting/thinking she would come to and when she succumbed, they disposed of her body   ...Hmmm, just a thought...

Hmmm....I don't know, Mishy. I think if she were simply unconscious they might have taken her back to the hotel and dumped her. People could easily assumed she had taken an overdose herself. It seems to me that there must have been injuries that couldn't have been easily explained.

[BTgirl]

Hey BT!  {{{hugs}}}  What a cut lil sock monkey!!!!

And yeah...  been really busy...  Prince has been in town...  been out dancing a whole lot...  drawing a lot too...

And taking voice and dancing come the Fall semester...

Per4ming is the art form that I really love, BT...

How are you, and how is everyone?

And, you know ~ I've never forgotten anyone here ~ nor Natalee and her family and friends ~ everyone has been in my prayers...

You have been a very busy, Katzhome! It sounds like things are going great for you.  

[KatzHome]

Good thought, Mishy ~ but my gut tells me Paulus is more guilty than that...  praying her body will b found ~ and proof provided by it, one way or another...  so praying 4 justice in this case...  but mostly 4 peace 4 Natalee's family and friends.

[lnichols]

Good night monkeys....
Prayers for Natalee....

[mishy]

Hi monkeys...what if Natalee were indeed unconscious for a long period of time as Hammer posted from Dr. Boden's revelations, thus moving her from place to place, as was rumored early on? Maybe they were waiting/thinking she would come to and when she succumbed, they disposed of her body   ...Hmmm, just a thought...

Hmmm....I don't know, Mishy. I think if she were simply unconscious they might have taken her back to the hotel and dumped her. People could easily assumed she had taken an overdose herself. It seems to me that there must have been injuries that couldn't have been easily explained.

Yeah, I'd never considered myself until I read Hammer's post, and then my mind just started working, but yes, I tend to think she had some injuries/blood/lots of DNA on her, so they didn't want that detected...

[San]

Death by OD

******* writes: That would be very logical and I also thought that for quite a while. Just too many things dont add up that NH was unconscious and never woke up.

Dr Baden has described in excruciating detail -- on air -- the process of death caused by overdosing on a date-rape - or other - drug.  Especially given what he knew as a fairly healthy, and other wise fairly normal, 18 yr old female.

The death process from overdose takes takes hours, and can actually last a full day: 24 hours.  The domino effects of various body systems breaking down, and the cascading to an ultimate conclusion does NOT happen in 2-3 hours.  The unconscious state, while still alive, can go on for a long time.

If Natalee was dead by 3:30AM on 5/30/05 -- she was more than likely murdered resulting from a physical assault.

It is understandable, in retrospect today, given this explanation why Jannsen filed "premeditated murder" charges against Paulus van der Sloot.
Jannsen's filing brings forward the most monstrous of many possible outcomes:

That Paulus intentionally killed an unconscious and drugged Natalee, in order to dispose of her body, and to hide the ravages of the assault she suffered at the hands of his deviant son.
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This is exactly what happened.  Paulus killed Natalee to save his son.  They are not covering for 3 young punks they are covering for Paulus.

[BTgirl]

Good night monkeys....
Prayers for Natalee....

Good night, Inichols. I'm outta here too. Hubby has already brushed.  

[San]

Death by OD

******* writes: That would be very logical and I also thought that for quite a while. Just too many things dont add up that NH was unconscious and never woke up.

Dr Baden has described in excruciating detail -- on air -- the process of death caused by overdosing on a date-rape - or other - drug.  Especially given what he knew as a fairly healthy, and other wise fairly normal, 18 yr old female.

The death process from overdose takes takes hours, and can actually last a full day: 24 hours.  The domino effects of various body systems breaking down, and the cascading to an ultimate conclusion does NOT happen in 2-3 hours.  The unconscious state, while still alive, can go on for a long time.

If Natalee was dead by 3:30AM on 5/30/05 -- she was more than likely murdered resulting from a physical assault.

It is understandable, in retrospect today, given this explanation why Jannsen filed "premeditated murder" charges against Paulus van der Sloot.
Jannsen's filing brings forward the most monstrous of many possible outcomes:

That Paulus intentionally killed an unconscious and drugged Natalee, in order to dispose of her body, and to hide the ravages of the assault she suffered at the hands of his deviant son.

.

.

Or she was hit by a car. Fell of a wall or gate. Had her head bashed by Joran on cement..Any of these things could have happened..But I agree that Paulus was called in at some point and he determined not to get her to the hospital or brought her back home thinking she would wake up at some point.

"If they see the girl..They will see the S***"--Deepak Kalpoe
"Your own father..Unbeleavable"--Deepak Kalpoe

"I'll do anything for my son" -- Paulus

[lnichols]

Good night monkeys....
Prayers for Natalee....

Good night, Inichols. I'm outta here too. Hubby has already brushed.  

Well, now that is real good thing..LOL.... TTYL...