Lively Case Discussion #612 5/2 - 5/4/2007

[Spock]

And isn't it interesting that Joran in his book now says he was with her for 3 hours so that his new story lines up with the admission Paulus made to the court about picking them up at 4 AM.

Does Joran say with her for three hours, or with her at the beach for three hours? Getting to C&C at 12:20 and getting home on the computer at 3:20 is three hours. There isn't time for him to be on the beach with her for three hours, if the records are correct.

[Anna]

To answer your question, Ado, no I do not believe anyone was left to stand guard at the Sloot compound.

I just recall Jug saying "we all" went to the casino, etc.

That again is one of the strangest things I have ever heard.  I understand the parents just wanted to get their child and go where she might be but why on earth didn't Paulus just tell the Sporter to get his butt HOME!

Yes, the wild goose chase of all those adults in pursuit of a couple of kids is just hard to believe.

But I have never heard an account from either Beth or Jug that anybody was left behind for any reason.

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Sure makes you think!

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[klaasend]

[blah]

Karma dictates that the investigators will present to a judge evidence of Natalee's dna at the van der sloots. Their credibility will not be questioned and they will be back to dig up more property.

Chipping away at the smirk of invincibility that the complicit are hanging onto with PVDS. The house of cards will wobble and when officials start being questioned the cards will fall.

The myth of no body, no crime is that, a myth. You don't make up "heavy battery" and "premeditated murder" charges against these people for no reason at all.

Paulus will do the duck walk in 2007.

Agree here with you guys who think they're going down. I don't think they'd send this team in to just close the case or put on a show. These investigators are more serious than the Arubans. I think they came to add to what they had that has already nailed the four perps. Wiretaps, phone and text messages, their statements, computer manipulation, and hopefully some witness testimony.

No doubt Rob, Aruba will pay forever or until they arrest their criminals. The case was solved two years ago, it's time to prosecute.

I think Dave said these new investigators got involved in October.  If they are so serious, why did they wait 6 months until the week Joran releases a book to come to Aruba and do a search?  Coincidence? Come on!  There is less than a month until the "2 year" thing is up and all we hear on the news is conflicting stories about what that really means.

Everything to come out of Aruba for the last 2 years has been nothing but pure 100% Grade A BullShirt!!!  Why would they wait so long, anyone investigating this case would have done this search as step #1.

Why havent they re-arrested or interrogated anyone?  Why havent they torn anyones vehicles to shreds yet?  Why havent they invited the FBI or family attorney's for any sort of meetings?  Why havent they ripped that friggen pool and patio out yet?

Jossy would have heard if any of these things have happened and he would have plastered it all over the front page of his paper.

I'm having a very hard time believing this is anything but a book promotion tour or the last steps before they close this case down for good.

Then again, I have been wrong many times before so, we will see !

[Tylergal]

adoronron, there was no one left to keep watch over the sluts (er, I mean sloots) compound if memory serves, and I always wondered why no one stayed there to keep any eye on these vultures.

[adoronron]

And isn't it interesting that Joran in his book now says he was with her for 3 hours so that his new story lines up with the admission Paulus made to the court about picking them up at 4 AM.

Does Joran say with her for three hours, or with her at the beach for three hours? Getting to C&C at 12:20 and getting home on the computer at 3:20 is three hours. There isn't time for him to be on the beach with her for three hours, if the records are correct.

Spock,
Most believe the computer records were manipulated and are not reliable.

There's a report by the Dutch who checked the computer in the Important case document area.

Ado

[shadow]

Good afternoon monkeys.

Tylergal: I am curious about what you mentioned about a search of the quarry. In the very beginning I asked alot of questions about a search of these areas. Who is concrned it will be searched now?? Wondering if this is an area the investagators from the Netherlands are interested in.

[the big hammer]

June 10, 2005 Timeline: DNA & Statements

Taken from klaas's referencing Dr Phil discovery motion.  Time has been adjusted from military time:

12:20 pm  - Satish statement

1:45  pm  - Deepak statement

2:30  pm  - jvds statement

2:40  pm  - DNA from Beth & Dave: blood and swab

3:55  pm  - Satish statement

7:30  pm  - jvds statement

12:00 am - Saturday June 11, 2005: News of "something bad happened" hits wires.

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[Tamikosmom]

June 10, 2005 Timing

Does someone know at what time the press picked up and reported the "something bad happened" AND did the news reports indicate when the Aruban authority made the statement ie what time of day on June 10, 2005?

Thanks.

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Karl Penhaul - Cnn Correspondent
CNN - June 11, 2005

KARL PENHAUL: … a senior police official told us before midnight that one of three young men arrested Thursday had made a confession during interrogations to the killing of Natalee Holloway. There were no further details from that senior police official.

[Tylergal]

Good afternoon monkeys.

Tylergal: I am curious about what you mentioned about a search of the quarry. In the very beginning I asked alot of questions about a search of these areas. Who is concrned it will be searched now?? Wondering if this is an area the investagators from the Netherlands are interested in.

I actually know nothing about a search there, but it seems there are people from the NL who do not want that area searched.  Could that be a certain student and his mother.  I am not at liberty to say anymore about it.

[klaasend]

June 10, 2005 Timeline: DNA & Statements

Taken from klaas's referencing Dr Phil discovery motion.  Time has been adjusted from military time:

12:20 pm  - Satish statement

1:45  pm  - Deepak statement

2:30  pm  - jvds statement

2:40  pm  - DNA from Beth & Dave: blood and swab

3:55  pm  - Satish statement

7:30  pm  - jvds statement

12:00 am - Saturday June 11, 2005: News of "something bad happened" hits wires.

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HAMMER - don't forget the 3-4pm press conference on June 10th that was cancelled.

[Tylergal]

http://www.newshounds.us/2005/06/11/preempting_news_with_glurge.php

[robots]

http://www.newshounds.us/2005/06/11/preempting_news_with_glurge.php

 

[Tamikosmom]

THE FAMILY'S NIGHT FROM H---


Beth Twitty
'Scarborough Country' - July 12, 2005

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: And that was the day that the FBI came in, Doug Shipley (ph) came in and said that the way the interrogations are unfolding, there‘s a strong possibility that Natalee may not be alive. That was huge. That was the day that—I think, Joe, everyone buried Natalee that day, on June 10.

And then it just—from there, the night went on. There were body sightings, countless. They were knocking on my door. They thought they found her. Oh, no, they didn‘t. It went on from 2:00 a.m. to 3:00 a.m. to 4:00 a.m. It was horrific.

[shadow]

Good afternoon monkeys.

Tylergal: I am curious about what you mentioned about a search of the quarry. In the very beginning I asked alot of questions about a search of these areas. Who is concrned it will be searched now?? Wondering if this is an area the investagators from the Netherlands are interested in.

I actually know nothing about a search there, but it seems there are people from the NL who do not want that area searched.  Could that be a certain student and his mother.  I am not at liberty to say anymore about it.

   very interesting and even more reson for the area to be searched

[Tylergal]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8155048/

[Lala'sMom]

If you read Joran's statements form June 9 and 10 you will notice a change in tone of story or maybe it's the way the ALE is phrasing the questions to him.  He begins in the June 10 statement to throw the Kalpoes under the bus.  I think he had time to mull over what he had said the day before...then the psycho part of him took over and began to blame everyone else the next day.  If he did indeed confess later that day and was planning on taking them to the body...it is almost certain that daddy was the one that intervened and started threatening to tell about all the corruption going on in Aruba.  Whoever or whatever Shango was he knew that much:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:43 pm
The fallen judge agreed to sing because he can hum any tune
He needs to sing for his son, or see the end of his babylonian offspring

[Tylergal]

If you read Joran's statements form June 9 and 10 you will notice a change in tone of story or maybe it's the way the ALE is phrasing the questions to him.  He begins in the June 10 statement to throw the Kalpoes under the bus.  I think he had time to mull over what he had said the day before...then the psycho part of him took over and began to blame everyone else the next day.  If he did indeed confess later that day and was planning on taking them to the body...it is almost certain that daddy was the one that intervened and started threatening to tell about all the corruption going on in Aruba.  Whoever or whatever Shango was he knew that much:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:43 pm
The fallen judge agreed to sing because he can hum any tune
He needs to sing for his son, or see the end of his babylonian offspring

Was it Mickey Johns or Abraham Jones who said the sporter had said that he felt the Kalpoes had killed Natalee and were trying to frame him?  Yes, he was repositioning himself all along to blame the K2.  The reason he wanted them over to his house after he & Paulus had discussed it, was to figure out a way to keep them under thumb while blaming them for what he and dear old dad had done.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

June 10, 2005 Timing

Does someone know at what time the press picked up and reported the "something bad happened" AND did the news reports indicate when the Aruban authority made the statement ie what time of day on June 10, 2005?

Thanks.

.

Karl Penhaul - Cnn Correspondent
CNN - June 11, 2005


posted this on Page 44 Janet.. but don't think others may have seen it.
 Not going to re copy the whole thing cause its long.
 Its from FOX on June 11th.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159252,00.html


KARL PENHAUL: … a senior police official told us before midnight that one of three young men arrested Thursday had made a confession during interrogations to the killing of Natalee Holloway. There were no further details from that senior police official.

[Tylergal]

Lala's, let's go to the "lion becomes a goat."  Was this the point at which Joran had taken Natalee to Paulus and Paulus decided to do away with Natalee and Joran who did not know what to do about her, Paulus decided to take charge and destroyed what was left of her life, lest he take her to the hospital and they find all that "shit..." which was probably among other things DNA from Paulus & Joran.  "Unbelievable, your own father?"  "If they find the girl, they will find all that shit..."

Joran:  "If they find the girl, I will laugh..."  He knows Paulus has done an adequate job of destroying her remains.