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Lively Case Discussion #613 5/4 - 5/5/2007
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May 05, 2007, 12:43:59 PM »
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
NOTE: I haven't seen any statement in the files for Valentijn. You would think they should have taken one from him.
Right Klaas. Because if he does in fact take a statement the ALE is in big trouble because he was never at home. Wouldn't that rip the lid off if they infact took a statement from him and it is proven he wasn't home. How would that make the ALE look.
Val was home and he was at school the next day, it's in the statements.
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Truth is a "Social Invention", Right Paulus?
Lively Case Discussion #613 5/4 - 5/5/2007
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May 05, 2007, 12:45:06 PM »
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
NOTE: I haven't seen any statement in the files for Valentijn. You would think they should have taken one from him.
Right Klaas. Because if he does in fact take a statement the ALE is in big trouble because he was never at home. Wouldn't that rip the lid off if they infact took a statement from him and it is proven he wasn't home. How would that make the ALE look.
Or, he was home the entire time and nobody else was (they were too busy somewhere else) so he did what every other nosey little brother does -- sign into everyone else's account and spy on them....
thats why... arrest the little guy and bring him in for questioning....NOW!
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Quote from: "Spock"
From Klaas's post of the timeline:
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One possibility: Joran did not arrive home at 3:11 and did not log on hotmail or MSN, but had his brother log on to his account. Joran's hotmail is accessed at 4:30 - perhaps Joran was just arriving home at that hour, having been picked up by Paul.
I agree it is possible. The 2:35 call to Deepak was one saying "she won't wake up, what do we do?". Then Deepak could have put Satish on the computer, hoped in the car, and alerted the Sloots on the way to meet Joran. Double switch, Val as Joran and Satish as Deepak. Took eight minutes to work it out on the phone. IMO.
Interesting, but Spock, how do we know for a fact that Val and Ice-Cream boy are even on Aruba? I still don't know that for a fact... Are you sure.. I'll take you at your word.
Yes the vandermaggots told us early on that Val & PF were in the Netherlands with Anita. Later, when it becomes otherwise inconvenient, they are home with vandersnakehead Paul.
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May 05, 2007, 12:46:01 PM »
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I'm not Rob, but just thought this result when you google Fermin's Bar Aruba is a curious one.
http://tinyurl.com/35pmod
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Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
LOL!!! Rob, I think you are in trouble now.
BTW do you (Rob) know anything about that Snack Truck at Fermin's Bar? What is it's purpose? Snacks? What kind? What time does it service that area?
Lala's
I know nothing of a snack truck.. as I usually have lunch at the Hyatt lower bar...LOL
This snack truck you speak of... it is on Aruba right?
I'm only usually looking for the beer cart at the Divi Golf course...
Joran mentions in one of his statements passing the Snack Truck on his way home that night.
oh, I see... did he stop and get a bite or ask for a ride home?
I must have missed that part about his 'lil details' he like to throw in as an added benefit to make his 'stories' seem even the least bit believable.
"I saw a snack truck, so therefore I
MUST
be telling the truth. Afterall, who would make up a story about a snack truck if it wasn't true."
barf bag please.
That is sort of what I wanted to know. See, Joran mentions that truck for a reason. Either it arrives on time each day at the same place...puts some credibility to him being home at the time he says...or there is another reason to mention it.
I wonder if the driver of the truck saw him and stories need adjusting accordingly.
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Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
LOL!!! Rob, I think you are in trouble now.
BTW do you (Rob) know anything about that Snack Truck at Fermin's Bar? What is it's purpose? Snacks? What kind? What time does it service that area?
Lala's
I know nothing of a snack truck.. as I usually have lunch at the Hyatt lower bar...LOL
This snack truck you speak of... it is on Aruba right?
I'm only usually looking for the beer cart at the Divi Golf course...
I'm not Rob, but just thought this result when you google Fermin's Bar Aruba is a curious one.
http://tinyurl.com/35pmod
Very curious
Wikimapia is on line allowing any refugee to edit as they please. Can we even believe this? Does Mapquest have any information on going from Fermins to Noord.
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Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
NOTE: I haven't seen any statement in the files for Valentijn. You would think they should have taken one from him.
Right Klaas. Because if he does in fact take a statement the ALE is in big trouble because he was never at home. Wouldn't that rip the lid off if they infact took a statement from him and it is proven he wasn't home. How would that make the ALE look.
Val was home and he was at school the next day, it's in the statements.
Spoke it is in Joran's and Paulus' statements. They are two liars. They needed Val to be home because it helps Paulus out. In my opinion Val was not home.
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I wonder if ALE questioned the driver and the owner as to the time and dates of delivery? What is the name of said truck's company? Should have been a follow up on that one for sure.
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Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
NOTE: I haven't seen any statement in the files for Valentijn. You would think they should have taken one from him.
Right Klaas. Because if he does in fact take a statement the ALE is in big trouble because he was never at home. Wouldn't that rip the lid off if they infact took a statement from him and it is proven he wasn't home. How would that make the ALE look.
Val was home and he was at school the next day, it's in the statements.
Spoke it is in Joran's and Paulus' statements. They are two liars. They needed Val to be home because it helps Paulus out. In my opinion Val was not home.
San, this has been checked out, Val was home.
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May 05, 2007, 12:50:35 PM »
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
NOTE: I haven't seen any statement in the files for Valentijn. You would think they should have taken one from him.
Right Klaas. Because if he does in fact take a statement the ALE is in big trouble because he was never at home. Wouldn't that rip the lid off if they infact took a statement from him and it is proven he wasn't home. How would that make the ALE look.
Val was home and he was at school the next day, it's in the statements.
I believe you.
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Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "Spock"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
NOTE: I haven't seen any statement in the files for Valentijn. You would think they should have taken one from him.
Right Klaas. Because if he does in fact take a statement the ALE is in big trouble because he was never at home. Wouldn't that rip the lid off if they infact took a statement from him and it is proven he wasn't home. How would that make the ALE look.
Val was home and he was at school the next day, it's in the statements.
Spock it is in Joran's and Paulus' statements. They are two liars. They needed Val to be home because it helps Paulus out. In my opinion Val was not home.
Sorry Spock I messed up your name in my previous post.
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I wonder if ALE questioned the driver and the owner as to the time and dates of delivery? What is the name of said truck's company? Should have been a follow up on that one for sure.
het Lalas....I went to the site...on the top left corner it says something marijuana....lol......don't know anything about the cart tho
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Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
I wonder if ALE questioned the driver and the owner as to the time and dates of delivery? What is the name of said truck's company? Should have been a follow up on that one for sure.
the reason joran "didn't" see the truck was because the driver had the day off.... that is why it was safe for him to reference him... it is just a smokescreen -- the statement in this regard is meaningless.... it is an illusion, a trick from a pathological liar...
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I wonder if ALE questioned the driver and the owner as to the time and dates of delivery? What is the name of said truck's company? Should have been a follow up on that one for sure.
My guess would be that Paulus thought up the snack truck when he was trying to figure out if anyone had seen what went on that night, and he found out that the snack truck was out and about and after he confirmed the driver did not see Joran and he was out at such time, Joran conveniently uses that in his statement. Put them all in front of a firing squad.
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The gardener's observation places Joran and Deepak across the street from the Marriot Beach at 2:30 am on the morning of May 30, 2005 ... they could have been waiting for Paulus to enter the scenario.
The Mansur gardener was late for work, took the shortcut, and probably saw the car and boys closer to 2:50, he didnt want to admit to getting to work late.
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MANSUR:
You know, he`s a gardener of a friend of ours that we know very well. And that night, it was very hot in his apartment, as it has been hot all this week in Aruba. And he left his own apartment to go this house where he works as a gardener, where he has an air-conditioned room.
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One possibility: Joran did not arrive home at 3:11 and did not log on hotmail or MSN, but had his brother log on to his account. Joran's hotmail is accessed at 4:30 - perhaps Joran was just arriving home at that hour, having been picked up by Paul.
I agree it is possible. The 2:35 call to Deepak was one saying "she won't wake up, what do we do?". Then Deepak could have put Satish on the computer, hoped in the car, and alerted the Sloots on the way to meet Joran. Double switch, Val as Joran and Satish as Deepak. Took eight minutes to work it out on the phone. IMO.
Interesting, but Spock, how do we know for a fact that Val and Ice-Cream boy are even on Aruba? I still don't know that for a fact... Are you sure.. I'll take you at your word.
Yes the vandermaggots told us early on that Val & PF were in the Netherlands with Anita. Later, when it becomes otherwise inconvenient, they are home with vandersnakehead Paul.
You know Tyler- You could be right also. I know I just posted that I do believe Spock is correct that it is in the statements. And that could very well be true, but how accurate are the statements and for that matter, we know they were taken late and have been changed on the spot to fit certain scenarios.
We also, at least I do, know that Beth saw one statement torn up and in the garbage. It had Joran's name on it. So, again these statements are not all that accurate.
Very few if any of the correct follow up questions were asked.
I think there is a very good possibility that Val and the lil boy are home for further insulation of Paulus Van Der Sloot, and to me, it still looks like this is an area designed to provide more cover for Paulus.
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MANSUR: You know, he`s a gardener of a friend of ours that we know very well. And that night, it was very hot in his apartment, as it has been hot all this week in Aruba. And he left his own apartment to go this house where he works as a gardener, where he has an air-conditioned room.
The gardener worked for Jossy's son and others.
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ROB
- did you leave your shoes on the beach too? Looks like Joran found them to be a perfect fit
ROFLMAO Good one Klaas!
Afternoon everyone.
LOL
Hey where did MC GOOFUS get the clown shoes? All he needs now
is a bowtie that lights up and spins and a flower that squirts water
in your eye!
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Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "Lala'sMom"
LOL!!! Rob, I think you are in trouble now.
BTW do you (Rob) know anything about that Snack Truck at Fermin's Bar? What is it's purpose? Snacks? What kind? What time does it service that area?
Lala's
I know nothing of a snack truck.. as I usually have lunch at the Hyatt lower bar...LOL
This snack truck you speak of... it is on Aruba right?
I'm only usually looking for the beer cart at the Divi Golf course...
I'm not Rob, but just thought this result when you google Fermin's Bar Aruba is a curious one.
http://tinyurl.com/35pmod
Very curious
I am wondering if this obscure mention of Fermin's Bar is at all significant. If you use the link provided, and track directly west from what is marked
aglaklako da ti marijuana d2y(apparently Fermins Bar) you arrive at the Amsterdam Manor, which if I recall correctly is directly next door to laCabana, that would have to put Joran in that vicinity to comment about the "snack truck". The flaw with this thinking is that would apply
if
one were telling the truth.
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