Lively Case Discussion #613 5/4 - 5/5/2007

[San]

Now Freddy, Satish & Deepak are out shopping for their favorite Sporter friend.  I wonder if the shoes had to fit Freddy.  I would guess Freddy is about a size 10-11.

Yep.

[Tamikosmom]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,270153,00.html

Deadly Tornado Flattens Western Kansas Town
Saturday, May 05, 2007



http://www.cnn.com/2007/WEATHER/05/05/severe.weather/index.html

Deadly twister flattens Kansas town
POSTED: 1:25 p.m. EDT, May 5, 2007

[klaasend]

According to Tjeerd at FOB - the author of this article about Joran's book believes the book makes Joran more suspect.

http://www.elsevier.nl/opinie/weblog/asp/artnr/150889/weblogid/53/index.html

vrijdag 4 mei 2007 14:57

Heeft de destijds 17-jarige Joran van der Sloot de 18-jarige Natalee Holloway vermoord of is hij onschuldig?

Twee jaar geleden – op 30 mei 2005 – verdween de Amerikaanse blondine spoorloos op Aruba tijdens een 'graduation trip' met medescholieren. Zelf beweert Van der Sloot in zijn recent verschenen boek 'De zaak Natalee Holloway. Mijn eigen verhaal over haar verdwijning op Aruba' dat hij haar na een wilde nacht dronken achterliet op het strand vlak bij haar hotel.

Notoire leugenaar
Maar met dat verhaal kwam hij pas later. Van der Sloot erkent dat hij een notoire leugenaar is en liep daarvoor bij de psychiater.

Zijn boek – opgetekend door journalist Zvezdana Vukojevic – biedt een aardig inkijkje in het schaduwbestaan van een losgeslagen puber: uitgaan, gokken, drinken en zo veel mogelijk meiden versieren.

Maar Joran – zoon van een Nederlandse rechter in opleiding die na het drama advocaat werd – heeft naar eigen zeggen ook een serieuze kant en wilde na de middelbare school in Amerika sportmanagement studeren.

Het boek zwalkt tussen een persoonlijk dagboek en een ‘objectieve’ reconstructie van de zaak. Dat gekleurde perspectief wringt. Datzelfde geldt voor het in 2006 verschenen boek van de vader van Natalee: 'Aruba. The tragic untold story of Natalee Holloway and corruption in paradise'.

Seksslavin
Het verhaal over de wanhopige zoektocht ontroert, maar de beschuldigingen van corruptie maakt Dave Holloway nergens hard. Wel toont hij aan dat het onderzoek rammelt. Holloway sluit niet uit dat zijn dochter nog leeft en mogelijk ergens in Zuid-Amerika werkt als seksslavin.

Twee jaar na haar verdwijning ontbreekt nog altijd elk spoor van Natalee. Afgelopen week nog zochten rechercheurs vergeefs naar sporen in en rond het huis van Jorans ouders. Zijn eigen appartement op het terrein was destijds al grondig uitgekamd.

Joran van der Sloot geldt voor Justitie nog altijd als verdachte, maar op basis van het huidige materiaal gaat hij vrijuit.

Na lezing van zijn eigen versie van de gebeurtenissen heb ik zelf alleen maar meer twijfels gekregen.

Aan het einde van zijn boek schrijft Joran: ‘Ik ben geen verkrachter. Ik ben geen moordenaar. Het enige waar ik schuldig aan ben is het achterlaten van een meisje op het strand en liegen. De rest van mijn leven zal ik de consequenties moeten dragen van die enorme inschattingsfout.’

Ik wil hem graag op zijn woord geloven, maar met een pathologische leugenaar is dat wel veel gevraagd.

Babelfish translation:

Friday 4 May 2007 14:57

Has the at that time 17-birthday Joran Van der Sloot the 18-birthday Natalee Holloway murdered or is he innocent?

Two year ago – on 30 May 2005 – the American blonde disappeared trip' without trace on Aruba during a 'graduation with medescholieren. Self maintains be recent appeared book Van der Sloot in 'De affair Natalee Holloway. My own story over her disappearance on Aruba' that he her after a wild night drank left behind on the beach flatten by her hotel.

Notoire liar
Only with that story came he fit later on. Van of the Ditch recognizes that he a notoire liar is and walked for that reason at the psychiatrist.

Its book – written down through journalist Zvezdana Vukojevic – offers a nice inkijkje in the shadow existence of a knocked loose adolescent: go out, gamble, drink and decorate so much possible girls.

But Joran – son of a Dutch right in training that after the drama lawyer became – has to own say also a serious side and savage to the secondary school in America sport management study.

The book drifts about between a personal diary and an 'objective' reconstruction of the affair. That colored perspective wrings. That same counts for it in 2006 appeared book of the father of Natalee: 'Aruba. The tragic untold story or Natalee Holloway and corruption in paradise'.

Sex slave
The story over the desperate missing journey moves, but the accusations of corruption makes Dave Holloway nowhere hard. Well shows he at that the investigation rattles. Holloway closes not from that its daughter yet lives and possible somewhere in South-america works as sex slave.

Two year after her disappearance yet always each track of Natalee is missing. Past week yet detectives sought in vain to tracks in and around the house of Jorans parents. Its own apartment on the grounds thoroughly had been combed at that time already..

Joran Van der Sloot counts for Justice yet always as suspect, but on basis of the present material, he goes freely.

After lecture of its own version of the events, I got self only more doubts.

At the end of its book, Joran writes: 'I am no verkrachter. I am no murderer. The simply goods I offender on am is the leaving behind of a girl on the beach and lie. The rest of my life will must carry I the consequences of that enormous inschattingsfout.'

I want him gladly on its word believe, but with a pathological liar am that well much asked.

Posted by Tjeerd at FOB regarding the above article:

Article in Elsevier on Joran's book: Book makes Joran even more suspect... The writer Simon Leistra, a Dutch crime specialist, writes Joran was treated for being a pathological liar... The book says he was treated 5 times for lying a lot which is quite something different as being a pathological liar. Joran was quoted in De Telegraaf that he called himself a pathogical liar. I doubt if Joran said this but it certainly is being used against him here in Holland... (Peter de Vries, Korterink, Leistra, who next?)

[Tylergal]

Hi Rooscrew, don't be bashful.  Join the conversation.  We wub you.

[robots]

they secretly talk in the HEATED EXCHANGE area

ROFL

about issues that might make the DELCIIOUS SPORTER look GUILTY              

[Tylergal]

Elsevier is quite respected, particularly for the sciences.  Hmmm.  This is getting better and better.  The sporter might keep contorting until he has one ring finger a size 4 and the other a size 12.  Where are you, Freddy?  This boy needs you to untwist him and fill in the blanks in his head.  We know he is guilty and you hold the key to this case being solved.  Just spill it, spill it like you do that XTC in the ladies drinks.

[robots]

i imagine that the DELICIOUS SPORTER'S current girlfriend's PARENTS
are totally THRILLED that she is DATING a  known KILLER  


my guess is the only girlfriend JORANJERK has is GUIDO  



"not that there is anything wrong with that"

JERRY "robots" SEINFELD  

[San]

Posted by Tjeerd at FOB regarding the above article:

Article in Elsevier on Joran's book: Book makes Joran even more suspect... The writer Simon Leistra, a Dutch crime specialist, writes Joran was treated for being a pathological liar... The book says he was treated 5 times for lying a lot which is quite something different as being a pathological liar. Joran was quoted in De Telegraaf that he called himself a pathogical liar. I doubt if Joran said this but it certainly is being used against him here in Holland... (Peter de Vries, Korterink, Leistra, who next?)

But But according to what he told Greta he wasn't being treated.  His own father said he was being treated.

Joran was treated for being a psycho.  So he changed it in his book to pathological.  At least he used a word that started with P.

[robots]

Greta is a CLOWN
a stupid - ignorant - joran loving - JOE T. loving wack job

anyone got some magic in their hat with GRETA with a clown suit on...

[Angiex911dsptchr]

OT I hardly check my Yahoo email.. and thought this was worth posting.. esp for the bikers here.. such as Indy. I lost a friend due to an accident years and years ago. he was really young too.  Anyhow..

Mortorcycle season is back, please pay attention to the bikes!
 
 
 
For all who Know Motorcycle Riders


I saw you hug your purse closer to you in the grocery store line.
But you didn't see me put an extra $10.00 in the collection plate last Sunday.

I saw you pull your child closer when we passed each other on the sidewalk.
But you didn't see me playing Santa at the local mall.

I saw you change your mind about going into the restaurant.
But you didn't see me attending a meeting to raise more money for the hurricane relief.

I saw you roll up your window and shake your head when I drove by.
But you didn't see me driving behind you when you flicked your cigarette butt out the car window.

I saw you frown at me when I smiled at your children.
But you didn't see me when I took time off from work to run toys to the homeless.

I saw you stare at my long hair.
But you didn't see me and my friends cut ten inches off for Locks of Love.

I saw you roll your eyes at our leather coats and gloves.
But you didn't see me and my brothers donate our old coats and gloves to those that had none.

I saw you look in fright at my tattoos.
But you didn't see me cry as my children where born and have their name written over and in my heart.

I saw you change lanes while rushing off to go somewhere.
But you didn't see me going home to be with my family.

I saw you complain about how loud and noisy our bikes can be.
But you didn't see me when you were changing the CD and drifted into my lane.

I saw you yelling at your kids in the car.
But you didn't see me pat my child's hands, knowing he was safe behind me.

I saw you reading the newspaper or map as you drove down the road.
But you didn't see me squeeze my wife's leg when she told me to take the next turn.

I saw you race down the road in the rain.
But you didn't see me get soaked to the skin so my son could have the car to go on his date.

I saw you run the yellow light just to save a few minutes of time.
But you didn't see me trying to turn right

I saw you cut me off because you needed to be in the lane I was in.
But you didn't see me leave the road.

I saw you waiting impatiently for my friends to pass.
But you didn't see me. I wasn't there.

I saw you go home to your family.
But you didn't see me.
Because, I died that day you cut me off.

I was just a biker. A person with friends and a family.
But you didn't see me.

Repost this around in hopes that people will understand the biker community .

If you dont repost this, It sucks to be you. I hope you never loose someone that rides. Have a great week, my friends

[Angiex911dsptchr]

TYLER
 I just read your email too sweety and replyed back. Sorry took so long

[LilPuma]

Rob - I noticed something about your shoes    

   
Hi monkeys!  Just reading and learning.

[LilPuma]

OT I hardly check my Yahoo email.. and thought this was worth posting.. esp for the bikers here.. such as Indy. I lost a friend due to an accident years and years ago. he was really young too.  Anyhow..

Mortorcycle season is back, please pay attention to the bikes!
 
 
 
For all who Know Motorcycle Riders


I saw you hug your purse closer to you in the grocery store line.
But you didn't see me put an extra $10.00 in the collection plate last Sunday.

I saw you pull your child closer when we passed each other on the sidewalk.
But you didn't see me playing Santa at the local mall.

I saw you change your mind about going into the restaurant.
But you didn't see me attending a meeting to raise more money for the hurricane relief.

I saw you roll up your window and shake your head when I drove by.
But you didn't see me driving behind you when you flicked your cigarette butt out the car window.

I saw you frown at me when I smiled at your children.
But you didn't see me when I took time off from work to run toys to the homeless.

I saw you stare at my long hair.
But you didn't see me and my friends cut ten inches off for Locks of Love.

I saw you roll your eyes at our leather coats and gloves.
But you didn't see me and my brothers donate our old coats and gloves to those that had none.

I saw you look in fright at my tattoos.
But you didn't see me cry as my children where born and have their name written over and in my heart.

I saw you change lanes while rushing off to go somewhere.
But you didn't see me going home to be with my family.

I saw you complain about how loud and noisy our bikes can be.
But you didn't see me when you were changing the CD and drifted into my lane.

I saw you yelling at your kids in the car.
But you didn't see me pat my child's hands, knowing he was safe behind me.

I saw you reading the newspaper or map as you drove down the road.
But you didn't see me squeeze my wife's leg when she told me to take the next turn.

I saw you race down the road in the rain.
But you didn't see me get soaked to the skin so my son could have the car to go on his date.

I saw you run the yellow light just to save a few minutes of time.
But you didn't see me trying to turn right

I saw you cut me off because you needed to be in the lane I was in.
But you didn't see me leave the road.

I saw you waiting impatiently for my friends to pass.
But you didn't see me. I wasn't there.

I saw you go home to your family.
But you didn't see me.
Because, I died that day you cut me off.

I was just a biker. A person with friends and a family.
But you didn't see me.

Repost this around in hopes that people will understand the biker community .

If you dont repost this, It sucks to be you. I hope you never loose someone that rides. Have a great week, my friends

Very weird.  A caravan of motorcycles went by my house a just a few minutes ago.  

[Angiex911dsptchr]

[quote="LilPuma
Very weird.  A caravan of motorcycles went by my house a just a few minutes ago.   [/quote]


   I didnt write what was on the bottom of that ..about if nobody posts it . it sucks to be them.  lol
  Was sent to me by a frined who works at 911 who as wel lost her brother due to a bike accident.  I know myself.. i get skeered when is behind me..in front of me.. or beside me on the highway.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Posted by Tjeerd at FOB regarding the above article:

Article in Elsevier on Joran's book: Book makes Joran even more suspect... The writer Simon Leistra, a Dutch crime specialist, writes Joran was treated for being a pathological liar... The book says he was treated 5 times for lying a lot which is quite something different as being a pathological liar. Joran was quoted in De Telegraaf that he called himself a pathogical liar. I doubt if Joran said this but it certainly is being used against him here in Holland... (Peter de Vries, Korterink, Leistra, who next?)

But But according to what he told Greta he wasn't being treated.  His own father said he was being treated.

Joran was treated for being a psycho.  So he changed it in his book to pathological.  At least he used a word that started with P.

  LOL San.. I could think of a few other "P" words that would be very fitting as well!!  

[nikkibnurse]

Hey guys..I dont have any of the info around at the time, so I cant go back and reference..BUT, as I was reading through past posts from today, and you were talking about Deepak/Satish, or whoever it was giving Joran a ride home, I remembered something...

Didnt he say daddy picked him up at McDonalds at some point? Was that before he snuck out the second time?

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Hey guys..I dont have any of the info around at the time, so I cant go back and reference..BUT, as I was reading through past posts from today, and you were talking about Deepak/Satish, or whoever it was giving Joran a ride home, I remembered something...

Didnt he say daddy picked him up at McDonalds at some point? Was that before he snuck out the second time?

 I have no idea? I thought it was after?

[nikkibnurse]

Hey Ang...LOL...How goes it?

I am just trying to once again find more discrepancies...lol..and I still cant get over daddy drawing money out of t he ATM at 3 in the morning or whatever..

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Hey guys..I dont have any of the info around at the time, so I cant go back and reference..BUT, as I was reading through past posts from today, and you were talking about Deepak/Satish, or whoever it was giving Joran a ride home, I remembered something...

Didnt he say daddy picked him up at McDonalds at some point? Was that before he snuck out the second time?

 I have no idea? I thought it was after?

 Maybe somene will recall that Nikki? I am probably wrong? I dont know to be honest.

[Rooscrew]

Hi Rooscrew, don't be bashful.  Join the conversation.  We wub you.

Hello Tyler
I'm trying to catch up from last night and trying to absorb all that you guys have been talking about. Almost caught up to real time until I get dragged away from here by the family.  Monkeys are so very smart and I do agree with you that this case was solved 2 days into it but due to the ineptness, coverups & lies her we sit trying with every inch of our souls to find where Natalee is, to be her voice and for her family to have the closure they need. I'm in full agreement with Robots too (I hate them ALL) and am trying to be optimistic.  
In reference to this being so screwed up by a very disfunctional family & their friends who have done nothing but add layers & layers of hurt on Beth, Dave, & their families, I do hope Karma does bite hard. They keep adding insults after insults with their propaganda stuff of "oh poor Aruba". Well, ya' know Aruba???  You've done this to yourself, you could of avoided it. Instead, you've tried to throw it under the rug and thought (which was your very first mistake) this would all go away just like you've tried to do with Max, but it hasn't. When hurricane Beth arrived she knew then what was going on even in her hurt & shocked world. I hope the KLPD can find the closure for this hurting family. This just has been an unreal situation. If they claim they have nothing to hide, well all that has to be done is for the truth to be told.  Sorry about the rant  
I'm also in agreement with Ms. Marple with her FUBUARUBA!

Lalas~ I'm with you on your rant a few pages back. Good Job!!

Hello to all Monkeys! Great to see alot of monkeys coming back and great to see new faces in the cage.   I have been missing Cat lately too. Going back into lurking mode.....


Roos!