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« Reply #240 on: May 06, 2007, 03:18:10 PM »

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I see the shoes.  

I never see things.  But I see shoes.

Back to wandering around my yard trying to figure out what to do next.

Is there a doctor or nurse handy?  A pharmacist would do.  I have a prescription question. TY

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If it is a simple one and not too detailed perhaps one of us can help.
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« Reply #241 on: May 06, 2007, 03:22:27 PM »

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Klaas, a few updates for you:

1) Deepak chatted with this Croes person not just on the early morning of the 30th but also on the following couple nights. I think the "hands in my pants statement" was made Tuesday morning.

2) The Sloot home phone records "landline" were missing for May 29-30. The phone taps went into effect a few days after that and there are records for those calls. It is quite a mystery how the early phone records could have become "lost".

I will update with sources when I have them.


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From Deepaks June 29th statement ( I believe that chat conversation was May 30-th, not May 31st)

You are telling me that John Charles CROES has stated that I wrote while I was chatting with him that I had written that the girl had put her hands in/down my pants, I can say the following. I did this to frustrate/mess up the investigation. I wanted to direct the focus of the police on myself and Joran because we were afraid that Satish would get the details wrong with regard to the "Holiday Inn" story. I was almost certain that our telephone conversations were being taped and I was certain that my computer was being monitored too.

On your question what made me think that the police would be monitoring our phones, I can say the following. I thought this might happen earlier and Joran had said the same thing to me on Tuesday May 31st 2005*. The purpose of the chat traffic was to help the police and the Office of the DA with regard to the investigation so that they could see that I was indeed home in the night from Sunday to Monday. But I have understood that they do not have the chat traffic from that night but that they do have the one from Tuesday. I know the technical procedure, so if they have the one from Tuesday than they should be looking for the one from Sunday to Monday. If I had anything to hide than I would have never told the police about John Charles CROES. Because that just worsened the situation. Even though this never happened, about the girl putting her hands in/down my pants, I would like to know what kind of crime this is. I am again saying this never happened, but it is just my question to the district attorney.


Any girl would have to be doped up or drunk out of her head to put her hand in his pants, but maybe they are accustomed to drugging someone to the point of putting their hand in Deepak's pants, in which case maybe for some it is a lethal dose.  It would have to be for me, for sure, but one thing about it, if the old saying about liar, liar pants on fire were valid, his breeches would be up in smoke.
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« Reply #242 on: May 06, 2007, 03:29:59 PM »

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I wonder if Steve is aware that bag was observed in a drainage basin, about 30 yards from the fisherman's huts...


Yes.  They have that information.

Thank you for passing everything along
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« Reply #243 on: May 06, 2007, 03:31:16 PM »

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I wonder if Steve is aware that bag was observed in a drainage basin, about 30 yards from the fisherman's huts...


Yes.  They have that information.

Thank you for passing everything along


We thank you, Spock, for taking the time to do this.
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« Reply #244 on: May 06, 2007, 03:32:07 PM »

It is past the time.... wayyyy past the time....

the arrest warrants need to be signed and the Dutch and what is left of the ALE that is still honest need to go around and start rounding up all these people...

It is no wonder the police were laughing at Joran's book -- you see, they already know what happened and they probably found it funny as hell about all the new skitterdinging (convenient lies) Joran came up with this time....

I bet there is a direct correlation or nexus between the bribery corruption investigation and the Holloway investigation as probably a lot of the same names keep coming up... heh heh....

Now we see shoes ???? wowzers... skitterding that one away, Sporter.... size 14 was probably the only size shoe you could come up with when you planted it to cover your tracks you jerk....

If the shoe fits.... well there is a place where the sun don't shine
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« Reply #245 on: May 06, 2007, 03:33:26 PM »

I really need to consider professional help to wean me from my Natalee Holloway addiction.  I sat through the the entire service this morning and ... the words of the pastor went right over my head.  I could not stop thinking about Deepak's words in his June 13, 2005 declaration regarding his chat with John Charles Croes.  It did not make sense that he was referring the morning of May 30, 2005.

When Deepak's words in his June 13, 2005 declaration is compared with the words of his June 29, 2005 delaration ... I would assume that Deepak is referring to the chat he had with John Charles Croes on May 31, 2005 ... not May 30, 2005.

One way or another ... Deepak is admitting he attempted to obstruct the investigation.

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MAY 31, 2005 - APRROXIMATELY 3:00 AM

Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 13, 2005


After that Joran said to me: Hey, look. If the police asks about it then we will just say we went away with the girl from Carlos & Charlies, that we did a bit of a road-trip, that he kissed and fingered her, that she fell asleep in the car, that we dropped her off at the Holiday Inn, that she had fallen down, that he had helped her up and that she walked off. I said to Joran that it was OK, it was fine. Joran than said to me, let's go home. We then drove from the Wyndham Hotel to Joran's house.

At approximately 02:40, we had arrived at his house, but no-one was there. Joran phoned his father. The father had left with the police to meet with us at the Wyndham. Joran's father told him to stay at the house and that he was going to come back to the house now. Then borrowed Joran's phone and called Satish. I told Satish what Joran had told me. The conversation lasted about 3 to 4 minutes.

After about 10 minutes Joran phoned Satish. Joran verified with Satish if he remembered the story correctly. Joran talked to Satish about 3 minutes.


MAY 31, 2005 (?)

Deepak Kalpoe
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June 29, 2005


You are telling me that John Charles CROES has stated that I wrote while I was chatting with him that I had written that the girl had put her hands in/down my pants, I can say the following. I did this to frustrate/mess up the investigation. I wanted to direct the focus of the police on myself and Joran because we were afraid that Satish would get the details wrong with regard to the "Holiday Inn" story. I was almost certain that our telephone conversations were being taped and I was certain that my computer was being monitored too.
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« Reply #246 on: May 06, 2007, 03:36:04 PM »

Janet and Spock - I've read that over several times now and I still believe Deepak's conversation with John Charles Croes, where he spoke about Natalee putting her hands down his pants was on May 30, 2005...not the 31st.
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« Reply #247 on: May 06, 2007, 03:36:41 PM »

11:30 PM Charles Croes GETS A PHONE CALL FROM A "MAJOR FRIEND" says he needs to help with a phone call made from one of his cell phones.  CHARLES CROES: then I made arrangements to go see him.


SO THIS TELLS US CHARLES CROES MET UP WITH THIS MAJOR FRIEND BEFORE HE MEETS UP WITH BETH.


11:30 -  MIDNIGHT - HE MEETS WITH HIS MAJOR FRIEND

Charles Croes has met his major friend, drove to Valero gas station and met and talked with Beth and listened to the phone call made to the U.S., drove to the Cabana area, drove to the beach area, drove to van der sloot home and arrived by 3:00 AM


Charles Croes meets with Beth at the Valero gas station at midnight:

VAN SUSTEREN: When you got to the gas station, did you talk to Beth?
C. CROES: Yes.



MIDNIGHT - 3:00 AM - THREE HOURS
Charles Croes left the Valero gas station, and went to the 5 minute drive to LaCabana area of beach and pays a boy $100 to take him to van der Sloot home.

He doesn't meet back up with Beth until approx 3:00 AM
I was with them on the first night they arrived to ARuba (looking for their daughter) from midnight until 5:30 AM and have kept in touch.
http://bb.visitaruba.com/showthread.php?p=18418

WONDER WHY HE TOOK THREE HOURS?
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Author: charles (---.setardsl.aw)
Date: 03-05-05 22:02

Open letter to the Aruba Tourism Authority

CC Rory Arends - with hopes that you will pass this on to the correct person.

Not to long ago, it was a pleasure, now it is questionable at best.

I strongly urge those that belong to the ATA who have the trigger pulling power to make decisions, to do so and to do so to the benefit of the BB , To the ATA and (most importantly) to Aruba.

Registration is needed and some sort of monitoring system is a must. Give this some serious thought since the image of our island is involved.

Charles Croes

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This does not apply to all that visit or that want to know what is going on. Nor does it apply to those that genuinly love Aruba and want to share.

Not to long ago, it was a pleasure, now it is questionable at best.

I strongly urge those that belong to the ATA who have the trigger pulling power to make decisions, to do so and to do so to the benefit of the BB , To the ATA and (most importantly) to Aruba.

Registration is needed and some sort of monitoring system is a must. Give this some serious thought since the image of our island is involved.

Charles Croes

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After examining Joran's cell phone and computer, police discovered that someone tried to manipulate the clocks and calendars inside the devices so it would look like the messages were sent at different times.
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63316
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« Reply #248 on: May 06, 2007, 03:43:00 PM »

Tamikosmom - this is just a flyby; on my way out. BUT - as someone pointed out a few pages ago, on the NEXT night - Monday night - J2K were busy with their casino outings and later, the Alabama posse. DK would not have been on his computer with J Croes on Monday night ... ?

Are you saying it was, or could have been, Tuesday night, that DK told J Croes about "hands down the pants"?
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« Reply #249 on: May 06, 2007, 03:44:32 PM »

Quote from: "Kermit"
11:30 PM Charles Croes GETS A PHONE CALL FROM A "MAJOR FRIEND" says he needs to help with a phone call made from one of his cell phones.  CHARLES CROES: then I made arrangements to go see him.


SO THIS TELLS US CHARLES CROES MET UP WITH THIS MAJOR FRIEND BEFORE HE MEETS UP WITH BETH.


11:30 -  MIDNIGHT - HE MEETS WITH HIS MAJOR FRIEND

Charles Croes has met his major friend, drove to Valero gas station and met and talked with Beth and listened to the phone call made to the U.S., drove to the Cabana area, drove to the beach area, drove to van der sloot home and arrived by 3:00 AM


Charles Croes meets with Beth at the Valero gas station at midnight:

VAN SUSTEREN: When you got to the gas station, did you talk to Beth?
C. CROES: Yes.



MIDNIGHT - 3:00 AM - THREE HOURS
Charles Croes left the Valero gas station, and went to the 5 minute drive to LaCabana area of beach and pays a boy $100 to take him to van der Sloot home.

He doesn't meet back up with Beth until approx 3:00 AM
I was with them on the first night they arrived to ARuba (looking for their daughter) from midnight until 5:30 AM and have kept in touch.
http://bb.visitaruba.com/showthread.php?p=18418

WONDER WHY HE TOOK THREE HOURS?
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Author: charles (---.setardsl.aw)
Date: 03-05-05 22:02

Open letter to the Aruba Tourism Authority

CC Rory Arends - with hopes that you will pass this on to the correct person.

Not to long ago, it was a pleasure, now it is questionable at best.

I strongly urge those that belong to the ATA who have the trigger pulling power to make decisions, to do so and to do so to the benefit of the BB , To the ATA and (most importantly) to Aruba.

Registration is needed and some sort of monitoring system is a must. Give this some serious thought since the image of our island is involved.

Charles Croes

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This does not apply to all that visit or that want to know what is going on. Nor does it apply to those that genuinly love Aruba and want to share.

Not to long ago, it was a pleasure, now it is questionable at best.

I strongly urge those that belong to the ATA who have the trigger pulling power to make decisions, to do so and to do so to the benefit of the BB , To the ATA and (most importantly) to Aruba.

Registration is needed and some sort of monitoring system is a must. Give this some serious thought since the image of our island is involved.

Charles Croes

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After examining Joran's cell phone and computer, police discovered that someone tried to manipulate the clocks and calendars inside the devices so it would look like the messages were sent at different times.
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63316


Also, remember that at one point durring the summer of 2005 Charles Croes was arrested and in jail for a few days.  I've often wondered if that was a warning for him to keep his mouth shut.
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« Reply #250 on: May 06, 2007, 03:45:16 PM »

Quote from: "Kermit"
11:30 PM Charles Croes GETS A PHONE CALL FROM A "MAJOR FRIEND" says he needs to help with a phone call made from one of his cell phones.  CHARLES CROES: then I made arrangements to go see him.


SO THIS TELLS US CHARLES CROES MET UP WITH THIS MAJOR FRIEND BEFORE HE MEETS UP WITH BETH.


11:30 -  MIDNIGHT - HE MEETS WITH HIS MAJOR FRIEND

Charles Croes has met his major friend, drove to Valero gas station and met and talked with Beth and listened to the phone call made to the U.S., drove to the Cabana area, drove to the beach area, drove to van der sloot home and arrived by 3:00 AM


Charles Croes meets with Beth at the Valero gas station at midnight:

VAN SUSTEREN: When you got to the gas station, did you talk to Beth?
C. CROES: Yes.



MIDNIGHT - 3:00 AM - THREE HOURS
Charles Croes left the Valero gas station, and went to the 5 minute drive to LaCabana area of beach and pays a boy $100 to take him to van der Sloot home.

He doesn't meet back up with Beth until approx 3:00 AM
I was with them on the first night they arrived to ARuba (looking for their daughter) from midnight until 5:30 AM and have kept in touch.
http://bb.visitaruba.com/showthread.php?p=18418

WONDER WHY HE TOOK THREE HOURS?
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COULD CHARLES CROES BE MORE INVOLVED WITH HIGHER-UPS? REMEMBER IN DAVE'S BOOK HE TALKED ABOUT GOING INTO DENNIS JACOBS OFFICE AND CHARLES CROES - THE CELL PHONE GUY WAS THERE
Author: charles (---.setardsl.aw)
Date: 03-05-05 22:02

Open letter to the Aruba Tourism Authority

CC Rory Arends - with hopes that you will pass this on to the correct person.

Not to long ago, it was a pleasure, now it is questionable at best.

I strongly urge those that belong to the ATA who have the trigger pulling power to make decisions, to do so and to do so to the benefit of the BB , To the ATA and (most importantly) to Aruba.

Registration is needed and some sort of monitoring system is a must. Give this some serious thought since the image of our island is involved.

Charles Croes

-----------------------------------

This does not apply to all that visit or that want to know what is going on. Nor does it apply to those that genuinly love Aruba and want to share.

Not to long ago, it was a pleasure, now it is questionable at best.

I strongly urge those that belong to the ATA who have the trigger pulling power to make decisions, to do so and to do so to the benefit of the BB , To the ATA and (most importantly) to Aruba.

Registration is needed and some sort of monitoring system is a must. Give this some serious thought since the image of our island is involved.

Charles Croes

-----------------------------------

After examining Joran's cell phone and computer, police discovered that someone tried to manipulate the clocks and calendars inside the devices so it would look like the messages were sent at different times.
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63316


Thank you, Kermit, for bringing this forward.  When I mentioned the manipulation of the clocks and calendars on computers, phones, I was given the "that's BS," line.  I heard this from an FBI agent and here it is in the National Enquirer, who probably got their information from same source.  It was about this time that FBI help was no longer wanted for they were too knowledgeable of the criminal activity of the VDS family and Charles Croes, et al.
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« Reply #251 on: May 06, 2007, 03:45:28 PM »

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Tamikosmom - this is just a flyby; on my way out. BUT - as someone pointed out a few pages ago, on the NEXT night - Monday night - J2K were busy with their casino outings and later, the Alabama posse. DK would not have been on his computer with J Croes on Monday night ... ?

Are you saying it was, or could have been, Tuesday night, that DK told J Croes about "hands down the pants"?


Personally, I believe it was May 30th and not May 31st.
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« Reply #252 on: May 06, 2007, 03:46:25 PM »

Klass ... you have email.

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« Reply #253 on: May 06, 2007, 03:46:52 PM »

What if Freddy had been at the Sloots for the night.  He lived close so came over without shoes.  When something bad happened, he threw on Joran's shoes to help out.  Might explain why Freddy needs to buy Joran a pair.  Freddy lost or ruined the shoes???
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« Reply #254 on: May 06, 2007, 04:08:08 PM »

From Deepak's June 13, 2005 statement:

At approximately 02:40 uur (May 31, 2005), we had arrived at his house, but no-one was there. Joran phoned his father. The father had left with the police to meet with us at the Wyndham. Joran's father told him to stay at the house and that he was going to come back to the house now. I had turned up the volume of the music in my car to loud. At some point the woman that lives next door to Joran came out and called Joran over to her. The neighbor told Joran to turn the volume down of the music, she had a baby in the house and the music was too loud. Joran came over to me and told me to turn the volume down. Then borrowed Joran's phone and called Satish. I told Satish what Joran had told me. The conversation lasted about 3 to 4 minutes.

After about 10 minutes Joran phoned Satish. Joran verified with Satish if he remembered the story correctly. Joran talked to Satish about 3 minutes.

1.  Natalee went missing in the early hours of May 30, 2005
2.  Deepak was out at the casino with Joran the night of May 30, 2005
3.  Deepak was with Joran at Joran's house waiting for the police and the MB group to return at 2:40am the morning of May 31, 2005.

Conclusion:  Deepak COULD NOT have had that chat conversation with John Charles Croes in the early morning of May 31, 2005.
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« Reply #255 on: May 06, 2007, 04:08:43 PM »

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What if Freddy had been at the Sloots for the night.  He lived close so came over without shoes.  When something bad happened, he threw on Joran's shoes to help out.  Might explain why Freddy needs to buy Joran a pair.  Freddy lost or ruined the shoes???


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« Reply #256 on: May 06, 2007, 04:09:21 PM »

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Also, remember that at one point durring the summer of 2005 Charles Croes was arrested and in jail for a few days.  I've often wondered if that was a warning for him to keep his mouth shut.

This is exactly what I believe it was Klaas.
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« Reply #257 on: May 06, 2007, 04:14:00 PM »

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What if Freddy had been at the Sloots for the night.  He lived close so came over without shoes.  When something bad happened, he threw on Joran's shoes to help out.  Might explain why Freddy needs to buy Joran a pair.  Freddy lost or ruined the shoes???

If Freddy put on Joran's shoes I don't think he would be walking too well in them.  That would be like Klaas walking in my shoes.  I'm a 10 1/2 and I believe Klaas is a 5.  If I was doing something bad I would want to make sure I have the right size on just in case I have to run.

Not that I would do anything bad Laughing
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« Reply #258 on: May 06, 2007, 04:22:43 PM »

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What if Freddy had been at the Sloots for the night.  He lived close so came over without shoes.  When something bad happened, he threw on Joran's shoes to help out.  Might explain why Freddy needs to buy Joran a pair.  Freddy lost or ruined the shoes???

If Freddy put on Joran's shoes I don't think he would be walking too well in them.  That would be like Klaas walking in my shoes.  I'm a 10 1/2 and I believe Klaas is a 5.  If I was doing something bad I would want to make sure I have the right size on just in case I have to run.

Not that I would do anything bad Laughing


Might explain them coming off and getting stuck in the mud..
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« Reply #259 on: May 06, 2007, 04:24:52 PM »

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From Deepak's June 13, 2005 statement:

At approximately 02:40 uur (May 31, 2005), we had arrived at his house, but no-one was there. Joran phoned his father. The father had left with the police to meet with us at the Wyndham. Joran's father told him to stay at the house and that he was going to come back to the house now. I had turned up the volume of the music in my car to loud. At some point the woman that lives next door to Joran came out and called Joran over to her. The neighbor told Joran to turn the volume down of the music, she had a baby in the house and the music was too loud. Joran came over to me and told me to turn the volume down. Then borrowed Joran's phone and called Satish. I told Satish what Joran had told me. The conversation lasted about 3 to 4 minutes.

After about 10 minutes Joran phoned Satish. Joran verified with Satish if he remembered the story correctly. Joran talked to Satish about 3 minutes.

1.  Natalee went missing in the early hours of May 30, 2005
2.  Deepak was out at the casino with Joran the night of May 30, 2005
3.  Deepak was with Joran at Joran's house waiting for the police and the MB group to return at 2:40am the morning of May 31, 2005.

Conclusion:  Deepak COULD NOT have had that chat conversation with John Charles Croes in the early morning of May 31, 2005.
I agree Klaas! ....Also in the above post, first Deepak calls Satish to make sure he has his "lies" straight. Then Joran phones Satish a few minutes later, to again make sure Satish has the "lies" straight.....Those three suspects worked VERY HARD to keep their "lies" straight. Sure, people tell fibs once in awhile. But the length these three went to to lie, and try to stick to those lies, was way beyond normal. Until they got caught, of course. They were trying TOO HARD to hide something, that is for sure. It is beautiful here and I have company...but you know how it is. I had to get my monkey fix! See you all later.
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