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« Reply #620 on: May 06, 2007, 11:23:11 PM »

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In the book Joran says there are 2 other people at the BlackJack table.

A 19 year old NLer and a *guy that resembles Paulus*... Arrow


Does Joran actually say that?  Laughing

Yes, but also says Sweatyrunningman is long gone...
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« Reply #621 on: May 06, 2007, 11:23:40 PM »

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I always knew it was Paulus in the casino but this one picture seals the deal.

This pic is quite compelling.

Because we finally got the head angle of Paulus to compare.

Right down to the white shirt!


The body is the same also.. Shoulders and build...

Posner must be a good buddy of PVDS IMO..That's why he was soo angry when they released this tape. Lots of other shots they have of them at the BJ table.. He must have hooked up PVDS with the PI also. Makes me wonder about the attorneys out of chicago for the kalpoes though.
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« Reply #622 on: May 06, 2007, 11:24:10 PM »

No, San, remember, it's the one with the matty hair.  Not Guido.

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« Reply #623 on: May 06, 2007, 11:24:28 PM »

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In the book Joran says there are 2 other people at the BlackJack table.

A 19 year old NLer and a *guy that resembles Paulus*... Arrow

So is Joran ratting out on one of his buddies.

Is it Marco/Guido that is playing cards or someone else.  We all assume that Guido was the dealer but maybe he was just playing cards.

I'm pretty sure Guido was not the dealer.
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« Reply #624 on: May 06, 2007, 11:25:12 PM »

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In the book Joran says there are 2 other people at the BlackJack table.

A 19 year old NLer and a *guy that resembles Paulus*... Arrow

If he actually says that, then that's a coffin nail!
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« Reply #625 on: May 06, 2007, 11:26:12 PM »

Going back to another photo...sorry..I am curious here...did we ever decide who the guy was behind the Sloots at KIA release that Rob was asking about?  I think it's the same guy Anita is kicking in that other photo.
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« Reply #626 on: May 06, 2007, 11:26:14 PM »

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In the book Joran says there are 2 other people at the BlackJack table.

A 19 year old NLer and a *guy that resembles Paulus*... Arrow

If he actually says that, then that's a coffin nail!


Yes but joran says its not his dad..lol
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« Reply #627 on: May 06, 2007, 11:26:18 PM »

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No, San, remember, it's the one with the matty hair.  Not Guido.

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Yes I remember we thought he had blonde highlights or his hair was spiked.  There is also a picture of Guido with blonde highlights.
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« Reply #628 on: May 06, 2007, 11:27:55 PM »

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Going back to another photo...sorry..I am curious here...did we ever decide who the guy was behind the Sloots at KIA release that Rob was asking about?  I think it's the same guy Anita is kicking in that other photo.

Yes it is the same guy Anita was kicking.  He is also behond the Sloots when they were at the court house arguing over the MSNBC tape.
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« Reply #629 on: May 06, 2007, 11:28:24 PM »

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In the book Joran says there are 2 other people at the BlackJack table.

A 19 year old NLer and a *guy that resembles Paulus*... Arrow


Does he say this guy is also wearing Size 10.5 shoes?   Laughing  Laughing  Laughing




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« Reply #630 on: May 06, 2007, 11:28:37 PM »

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In the book Joran says there are 2 other people at the BlackJack table.

A 19 year old NLer and a *guy that resembles Paulus*... Arrow

If he actually says that, then that's a coffin nail!


Yes but joran says its not his dad..lol

Yes and that's my point, if he feels the need to address it, that alone seals the deal.
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« Reply #631 on: May 06, 2007, 11:28:44 PM »

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Going back to another photo...sorry..I am curious here...did we ever decide who the guy was behind the Sloots at KIA release that Rob was asking about?  I think it's the same guy Anita is kicking in that other photo.

He is the same guy but as far as I know we don't know who he is.
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« Reply #632 on: May 06, 2007, 11:30:08 PM »

There must be another layer to Paulus and Posner's over all culpability here. It looks to me as if the Excelsior is a logical target for a lawsuit whether Paulus is there or not, yet Posner is fearful that should Paulus be ID'd on that video something more will come out.

I mean the Excelsior is getting sued anyway.. so what is the reason to distance Paulus who admitted he was there earlier anyway... other than it blows his time line for the rest of the evening...???
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« Reply #633 on: May 06, 2007, 11:30:22 PM »

Wow!  Klaas, you really nailed Paulus this time!!  Also compare the black shadow under his chin in the casino photo with the hair on his chest in the photo at the gate.  There is no doubt this is PAULUS!  Good job!
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« Reply #634 on: May 06, 2007, 11:36:31 PM »

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I always knew it was Paulus in the casino but this one picture seals the deal.

This pic is quite compelling.

Because we finally got the head angle of Paulus to compare.

Right down to the white shirt!


The body is the same also.. Shoulders and build...

Posner must be a good buddy of PVDS IMO..That's why he was soo angry when they released this tape. Lots of other shots they have of them at the BJ table.. He must have hooked up PVDS with the PI also. Makes me wonder about the attorneys out of chicago for the kalpoes though.


Also, the man in the casino video had on a white shirt.  I do realize lots of men wear white shirts but I remember many times when there were pictures of Paulus he had on a white shirt.
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« Reply #635 on: May 06, 2007, 11:37:59 PM »

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Wow!  Klaas, you really nailed Paulus this time!!  Also compare the black shadow under his chin in the casino photo with the hair on his chest in the photo at the gate.  There is no doubt this is PAULUS!  Good job!


Lala's is the one who noticed the Greta photo with Paulus was a good match for the casino.  Great eye that Lala's has  Wink
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« Reply #636 on: May 06, 2007, 11:38:22 PM »

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In the book Joran says there are 2 other people at the BlackJack table.

A 19 year old NLer and a *guy that resembles Paulus*... Arrow

If he actually says that, then that's a coffin nail!


Yes but joran says its not his dad..lol

Yes and that's my point, if he feels the need to address it, that alone seals the deal.


Your right..We have never heard anyone ever deny that was PVDS until now..Those tapes have got to be copied in ALE posession. IF they are not then its a OBVIOUS coverup. You would think joran has seen all the police files though and would know.. Interesting that he specificly laid that rumor to rest. They all continue to lie anyways with what we know is on record.

2 meetings they say PVDS has with Natalee..TWO!!!! Chalk up another LIE for Joran..Its him!!
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« Reply #637 on: May 06, 2007, 11:38:55 PM »

Money laundering is a lucrative business...you can buy anything your heart desires...including silence.
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« Reply #638 on: May 06, 2007, 11:40:27 PM »

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Wow!  Klaas, you really nailed Paulus this time!!  Also compare the black shadow under his chin in the casino photo with the hair on his chest in the photo at the gate.  There is no doubt this is PAULUS!  Good job!


Lala's is the one who noticed the Greta photo with Paulus was a good match for the casino.  Great eye that Lala's has  Wink


I am sure someone else would have noticed in due time...we were just occupied with shoes at the time.  Actually I was wondering why that photo was even posted since you can't see any feet.  Rolling Eyes
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« Reply #639 on: May 06, 2007, 11:40:31 PM »

If it is revealed that the man recorded on the Excelsior Casino tape  conversing with Natalee at the Black Jack table is indeed Paulus ..... the implication is huge. The revelation would imply that Joran lied regarding when and why his father left the casino and ..... it would imply that Paulus lied regarding when and why he left the casino.  Both Joran and Paulus' declarations imply that Paulus' had left the casino for home prior to Joran encounter with Natalee and her friends at the Black Jack table.

Why was it so imporant that there was no Paulus/Natalee connection ... so important that a father would have his son lie in an official declaration?

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On Sunday, I do not remember the date any more, I went at approximately 16.00 hours, to the "Excelsior Casino" at the Holiday Inn Hotel to play "Texas Hold'm poker". (with this the suspect is talking about May 29th 2005). I went with my father named "Paul van der SLOOT" to the casino. I went to play "Texas Hold'm Poker" with my father.

... When it was half time of the game my father wanted to go home to go and babysit my ten year old brother. At my father's request I sat in for him and played "Texas Hold'm poker. I am not sure as to when half time was but I think it was between 19.00 and 20.00 hours. I kept on gambling until I lost too. This was according to me until 21.30 to 22.00 hours. I went to walk around in the casino and after that went to the "Blackjack" table to play blackjack. While I was sitting at the table the girl "Natalee" that is missing now to the blackjack table together with her friends.


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On May 29th 2005, at approximately 16.00 hours, I went with Joran to the “Free Carribean Stud Tournament” in the Holiday Inn. During the break, at approximately 18.30 hours, I went back home. My youngest son Sebastian who was playing at a friends house was due to be dropped off at home around that time. Joran, with my permission, took over my seat because he had been eliminated earlier.
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