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« Reply #920 on: May 07, 2007, 02:00:12 PM »

bad stuff happens in the USA and yet i still love it with all my heart  Cool

hard to imagine this type of BS would happen here....

certainly there are corrupt people and bad cops and everything else
but this crap in ARUBA is tooooooooooo  much  

it is RIGHT in their FACE  Mad
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« Reply #921 on: May 07, 2007, 02:06:33 PM »

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O/T  4 x 4

Thanks for the compliment on my avatar.  Yellow seems to be her color!  Hope you are seeing the Queen's hats!  I encourage you to wear one to your son's wedding.  I have sources reasonable ones that I can relay via Klaas if she will be so kind as to pass them on to you if you are interested.

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TY no hat going on here...I do not do hats.....lool...I have big hair. I am stuck in the late 70's 80's, hehe......my hair is and has always been black...of course no gray roots will be on hand, lol.
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« Reply #922 on: May 07, 2007, 02:07:51 PM »

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bad stuff happens in the USA and yet i still love it with all my heart  Cool

hard to imagine this type of BS would happen here....

certainly there are corrupt people and bad cops and everything else
but this crap in ARUBA is tooooooooooo  much  

it is RIGHT in their FACE  Mad


Oh yeah, Robots! I've said it before, but would again remind everyone that we may not be able to claim there is no corruption in the US, but I'll shout from the hilltops that no one feels secure being corupt in America.
We took down the President for heaven's sake, when he was perceived as being tainted with corruption. There are values we hold more dear than any individual. That's who we are and our free press is constantly shining a light on the rats. We collectively have ethics and principles and we hold those in law enforcement, and government for upholding those standards!

Aruba could learn a lot for their own benefit from us!
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« Reply #923 on: May 07, 2007, 02:11:14 PM »

Lord, I'm giving again my blanket apology for the typos!  Embarassed
I'm not sure why but it's so hard for me to type with ANY accuracy on a laptop!  Embarassed  SOWWY!
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« Reply #924 on: May 07, 2007, 02:12:55 PM »

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... no one had to interview the people at the table....the
multiple cameras took pictures of everyone...and from various positions...
the casino can tell you who played and how much each bet and who dealt and who the relief dealers were for that table....we have always talked about only one dealer....dealers are relieved on a regular rotation....


Logic dictates that Joran and Paulus would never have made the following declarations if they had not been assured that the May 29, 2005 recordings from casino security cameras would never be revealed.  I contend that the leaked segment appearing to show Natalee and Paulus conversing is all that the world will ever see regarding Paulus' movements at the casino on the evening prior Natalee Holloway's disappearance.

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Joran Van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005


On Sunday, I do not remember the date any more, I went at approximately 16.00 hours, to the "Excelsior Casino" at the Holiday Inn Hotel to play "Texas Hold'm poker". (with this the suspect is talking about May 29th 2005). I went with my father named "Paul van der SLOOT" to the casino. I went to play "Texas Hold'm Poker" with my father.

... When it was half time of the game my father wanted to go home to go and babysit my ten year old brother. At my father's request I sat in for him and played "Texas Hold'm poker. I am not sure as to when half time was but I think it was between 19.00 and 20.00 hours. I kept on gambling until I lost too. This was according to me until 21.30 to 22.00 hours. I went to walk around in the casino and after that went to the "Blackjack" table to play blackjack. While I was sitting at the table the girl "Natalee" that is missing now to the blackjack table together with her friends.


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June 18, 2005


On May 29th 2005, at approximately 16.00 hours, I went with Joran to the “Free Carribean Stud Tournament” in the Holiday Inn. During the break, at approximately 18.30 hours, I went back home. My youngest son Sebastian who was playing at a friends house was due to be dropped off at home around that time. Joran, with my permission, took over my seat because he had been eliminated earlier.
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« Reply #925 on: May 07, 2007, 02:26:24 PM »

It is on record that the ALE has possession of the casino records from May 29, 2005.

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ABC 7 NEWS - CHICAGO
February 23, 2006


Posner says it was he who voluntarily turned over this casino surveillance tape to Aruban authorities and that he is furious they have allowed ABC News to broadcast it.
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« Reply #926 on: May 07, 2007, 02:26:53 PM »

Tamikosmom...I understand what you are saying....I guess it depends
on who leaked it and if any of the film is still available....lots of money
seems to have changed hands....so many loose ends to pay for...JMHO
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« Reply #927 on: May 07, 2007, 02:35:30 PM »

tamikosmom....thanks....forgot about the Posner statement.... Confused
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« Reply #928 on: May 07, 2007, 02:37:46 PM »

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« Reply #929 on: May 07, 2007, 02:42:24 PM »

Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
It is on record that the ALE has possession of the casino records from May 29, 2005.

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ABC 7 NEWS - CHICAGO
February 23, 2006


Posner says it was he who voluntarily turned over this casino surveillance tape to Aruban authorities and that he is furious they have allowed ABC News to broadcast it.


So the question is...is Posner in on the coverup or not.  If not, I'd bet he still has all the surveilance videos from inside the casino that night.
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« Reply #930 on: May 07, 2007, 02:42:38 PM »

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Carnut- I think the MB kids have been asked to please not comment on anything until further notice. That is the reason you do not hear from any of them anymore.

FEB made a statement that seemed as if Natalee was seen back at the HI. Since that time, I do not recall seeing any of them anywhere online. Other than maybe Dash once or twice.

FEB's statement has been internet fodder for almost two years and lends credence to the trolls trying to side track Justice For Natalee. This is a likely reason that they have been asked to remain silent. Even though her statement is not exculpatory of the main suspects, it adds fuel to the fire and things get taken out of context, as we all know.

I believe that the FBI, ALE and Aruban Authorities all know what happened just like Klaas said. In the future hopefully the rest of us will all know too...

If nothing else, I just hope Beth and Dave get the answers. If they're satisfied, I'm satisfied.


Yes - they know.  The Problem is NOW PROVING IT.  Evidence has in all likelyhood been destroyed or tainted.  They do indeed have the statements, but I also question if they have those that we are missing.

IMO, the Dutch investigators know there is a case, they know what happened, they just need something physical to match up to what they have.  The question is....Do they have enough now to bring this case to court?

Did they find anything at the VDS's?  We may know soon.  It was said the Dutch Investigators did remove items...Maybe a few pairs of shoes was in those boxes.
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« Reply #931 on: May 07, 2007, 02:55:30 PM »

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Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
It is on record that the ALE has possession of the casino records from May 29, 2005.

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ABC 7 NEWS - CHICAGO
February 23, 2006


Posner says it was he who voluntarily turned over this casino surveillance tape to Aruban authorities and that he is furious they have allowed ABC News to broadcast it.


So the question is...is Posner in on the coverup or not.  If not, I'd bet he still has all the surveilance videos from inside the casino that night.


Another question is..Why did Posner hire his own Private Investigators when he was not even on the island when NH dissapeared?
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« Reply #932 on: May 07, 2007, 03:00:25 PM »

PHONE CALL

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On Scaredmonkeys today, one of Natalee's classmates (Country Moon) said that the "call" Beth listened to over and over and with C. Croes had strange background sounds on it. Then when she got to the VDS house, she heard the same sound. When Beth arrived at the VDS house that first night, there was the same sound. It was the next door neighbor's monkey that had been left outside while they were on vacation and was mad, hot, thirsty and screeching.

She said that greta and crew kind of adopted the monkey and took care of it while there. (I read on Greta's blog that she was feeding the monkey.) But that's why Beth thinks Natalee was at the VDS house.......the distinct sound of a screeching monkey.
http://websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-26041

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Beth was on Abrams and talked more about "the phone call".

Beth said a phone call came to Mississippi around midnight May 30 (1am Aruba time)
and said tht Natalee had been kidnapped by three people and they were named.

SHe didn't say who made the call or the names of the three kidnappers.
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/6331
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A poster at courttv who heard the interview says that Beth said that the phone call that was placed at midnight on the night N disappeared was made to Mississippi (so to Beth's dad?), the phone caller named 3 names, said that N had been kidnapped.

It's not been stated by Beth that Natalee herself placed the call, at least from what I can gather.

That was why the FBI was called in right away, though, because of this call that said she was kidnapped.

Lots of discussion, some of it confusing, at

http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?s=d7c1aee1261a445b2a015c55f02806a4&threadid=230697
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/1436558/posts?page=1253#1253

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A Twitty family friend tells me that “I don’t know these people” was the code Beth had with her kids just in case.
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C. CROES: Well, I have a sail rental company. And there was apparently a phone call made. And he was calling me betting or hoping that the phone call was made from one of our phones, and so that's why he called me.
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PHONE CALL:

“I got this from a Mountain Brook classmate posting on another board we're not supposed to link to on CTV, the call was around 2.am. and to a male student with the group. It was a female voice and sounded strained. The only message was something like "I don't even know these guys.." and it cut off.”

Many of the students who heard the call thought it sounded like Natalee, and one of them wrote that Natalee's mom thought it was Natalee, too.

The cell phone number associated with the phone was from Charles Croes' business, and that's why he was contacted
 for information.
http://rjames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49&page=6&pp=10

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3:15AM in the morning was placed to Jug Twitty's phone and the girl's voice said "Help me" - there was background noise - that was rumored to be the reason that Beth Holloway wanted to visit the Van Der Sloot home
I got this from a Mountain Brook classmate posting on another board we're not supposed to link to on CTV, the call was around 2.am. and to a male student with the group. It was a female voice and sounded strained. The only message was something like "I don't even know these guys.." and it cut off

Many of the students who heard the call thought it sounded like Natalee, and one of them wrote that Natalee's mom thought it was Natalee, too.

The cell phone number associated with the phone was from Charles Croes' business, and that's why he was contacted for information.
http://rjames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49&page=6&pp=10

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Is there any truth to the article in The National Enquirer about Natalee calling a friend on her cell phone that last night?

ANSWER: Here is what I know about a phone call: Apparently a friend of Natalee's received a call to his voice mail/answering machine. There was background noise and then someone said something like, "Are you calling home?" As far as I know the phones were then disconnected and nothing else was recorded. I do not know if that call was from Natalee or from her cell phone or one she may have used. Incidentally, not all USA cell phone service works in Aruba. My AT&T cell phone works there, but my Verizon cell phone does not. And yes — I know — what kind of person has two cell phones? It is a bit nutty but I have two cell phones with different service. Why? For the very reason that some times I am in areas where service is limited. One other thing about the phone call — it is not clear when it was received by the person receiving the message.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162501,00.html
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The part where he tells her about listening to the call 4 times and then talking with a person in the states is
edited out ! Here is link to video -
http://tinyurl.com/nlejc


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Beth Twitty

September 20, 2005

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well, there was a phone call made. And it was just really having me refer to—you know, I‘d only mentioned the fact I had gotten from prosecuting attorney as far as the open line of credit, and that Joran is in his casino gambling, and I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/
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« Reply #933 on: May 07, 2007, 03:05:26 PM »

Hi everyone and good afternoon!

Nut: I said it before, I'll say it again. Take it for what it's worth.  I saw with MY OWN TWO EYES on the video that FOX and MSNBC showed...
Paulus standing up on the right side of the poll facing the dealer, smiling and talking with him. Then the video/tape/clip breaks and goes back to them all sitting at the table. You could clearly see it IS PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT. Nuff said! <grumbles>

Paulus went to Florida. And according to his comment about why he would leave Aruba while his son was in jail was that he went to Florida to withdraw Joran from College. I know I know, doesn't make sense, but does anything the Sloots do or say make sense?  Speculation: Most feel Paulus went to Florida to retrieve a snuff film or pictures taken of Natalee from the night in question. But, that was the reason Paulus gave for going to Florida, to withdraw Joran from college.

IIRC about who was home the night in question...It was Anita who claimed, in an interview, she, Val and Sabastian were in NL the night of May 29th. And unlike everything else that disappears, her statement has disappeared too. But I remember her stating this. It was big talk over on BFN when I posted there back in August 2005.

Natalee phone calls: Beth had made a statement to Greta as they were leaving the Sloots house. "I got what I came here for", meaning she had known Natalee had been there because of the monkey screaming. It was the same sound in the back ground noise in the phone call. Beth was clear on that. Why she is retracting that statement as if she never said it I don't know.
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« Reply #934 on: May 07, 2007, 03:08:15 PM »

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Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
It is on record that the ALE has possession of the casino records from May 29, 2005.

Janet


ABC 7 NEWS - CHICAGO
February 23, 2006


Posner says it was he who voluntarily turned over this casino surveillance tape to Aruban authorities and that he is furious they have allowed ABC News to broadcast it.


So the question is...is Posner in on the coverup or not.  If not, I'd bet he still has all the surveilance videos from inside the casino that night.


Another question is..Why did Posner hire his own Private Investigators when he was not even on the island when NH dissapeared?


To help with the inside cover up?
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« Reply #935 on: May 07, 2007, 03:09:33 PM »

Forgive me for this question...but has anything HAPPENED since the Dutch team left the VDS house?  I've been away from the computer all week.   Rolling Eyes
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« Reply #936 on: May 07, 2007, 03:12:29 PM »

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Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "Tamikosmom"
It is on record that the ALE has possession of the casino records from May 29, 2005.

Janet


ABC 7 NEWS - CHICAGO
February 23, 2006


Posner says it was he who voluntarily turned over this casino surveillance tape to Aruban authorities and that he is furious they have allowed ABC News to broadcast it.


So the question is...is Posner in on the coverup or not.  If not, I'd bet he still has all the surveilance videos from inside the casino that night.


Another question is..Why did Posner hire his own Private Investigators when he was not even on the island when NH dissapeared?


To help with the inside cover up?


Posner also helping the Kalpoes with  Lawyer's out of Chicago?Or was that just refferal?
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« Reply #937 on: May 07, 2007, 03:12:32 PM »

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Forgive me for this question...but has anything HAPPENED since the Dutch team left the VDS house?  I've been away from the computer all week.   Rolling Eyes

Nope - all has been silent from the Dutch team.  Nobody has any idea what they are doing.
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« Reply #938 on: May 07, 2007, 03:13:05 PM »

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Forgive me for this question...but has anything HAPPENED since the Dutch team left the VDS house?  I've been away from the computer all week.   Rolling Eyes

It is rumored they bought a case of suntan lotion and have an open tab at C&C...
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« Reply #939 on: May 07, 2007, 03:13:07 PM »

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Forgive me for this question...but has anything HAPPENED since the Dutch team left the VDS house?  I've been away from the computer all week.   Rolling Eyes


Nada
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