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« Reply #960 on: May 07, 2007, 03:39:23 PM »

Ok 1 last Pic of Joran's feet Smile Those shoes in this pic do not look like size 14!! You agree?

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« Reply #961 on: May 07, 2007, 03:40:17 PM »

Not sure about the shoe size but I have a sudden urge to push  Laughing
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« Reply #962 on: May 07, 2007, 03:41:47 PM »

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Not sure about the shoe size but I have a sudden urge to push  Laughing


LOL!! Cool
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« Reply #963 on: May 07, 2007, 03:42:05 PM »

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I never stated that is a fact that those attorneys from chicago are linked to posner..Although I am very suspicious... It is fact that he hired a PI from after NH went missing in Aruba though.



I find the Chicago connection more than coincidental, *******. If you wanted to cut to the chase you would hire LA attorneys who know the Cali court system better from having worked in it year in, year out.


Of course you would!! Sooo many Law firms in LA that would be perfect to handle that lawsuit..



Unless the lawyer contacted them first. Some lawyers seek high profile cases for recognition.
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« Reply #964 on: May 07, 2007, 03:43:39 PM »

******* - lets keep looking for Joran's shoes.  We might get lucky and find a pic where the size is on the bottom of the shoe or something.
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« Reply #965 on: May 07, 2007, 03:43:51 PM »

Should we help push this page to 50?
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« Reply #966 on: May 07, 2007, 03:43:57 PM »

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Dayhiker - it would also answer why Beth is so certain Natalee was at the VDS residence.



Exactly. This may be one piece of evidence that has been witheld from day one and never brought out in the filings. If they can place Nat at the house around 3:00 am it is curtains for the Sloots. Especially if it was on one of their, or a friend like Sander's, phones. Remember, Nat did not have international dialing. The Sloots would not be calling a member or friend of the victim. Game over.
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« Reply #967 on: May 07, 2007, 03:44:32 PM »

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I never stated that is a fact that those attorneys from chicago are linked to posner..Although I am very suspicious... It is fact that he hired a PI from after NH went missing in Aruba though.



I find the Chicago connection more than coincidental, *******. If you wanted to cut to the chase you would hire LA attorneys who know the Cali court system better from having worked in it year in, year out.


Of course you would!! Sooo many Law firms in LA that would be perfect to handle that lawsuit..



Unless the lawyer contacted them first. Some lawyers seek high profile cases for recognition.


Good point.  There are ATA offices all over the country too.  Could be someone affiliated with ATA recommended them.
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« Reply #968 on: May 07, 2007, 03:45:08 PM »

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Dayhiker - it would also answer why Beth is so certain Natalee was at the VDS residence.



Exactly. This may be one piece of evidence that has been witheld from day one and never brought out in the filings. If they can place Nat at the house around 3:00 am it is curtains for the Sloots. Especially if it was on one of their, or a friend like Sander's, phones. Remember, Nat did not have international dialing. The Sloots would not be calling a member or friend of the victim. Game over.


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« Reply #969 on: May 07, 2007, 03:45:16 PM »

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Ok 1 last Pic of Joran's feet Smile Those shoes in this pic do not look like size 14!! You agree?




He looks like he's taking a dump.
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« Reply #970 on: May 07, 2007, 03:45:23 PM »

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I never stated that is a fact that those attorneys from chicago are linked to posner..Although I am very suspicious... It is fact that he hired a PI from after NH went missing in Aruba though.



I find the Chicago connection more than coincidental, *******. If you wanted to cut to the chase you would hire LA attorneys who know the Cali court system better from having worked in it year in, year out.


Of course you would!! Sooo many Law firms in LA that would be perfect to handle that lawsuit..



Unless the lawyer contacted them first. Some lawyers seek high profile cases for recognition.


And they are working Pro Bono or whatever its called? This is gonna get mighty expensive for them..
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« Reply #971 on: May 07, 2007, 03:47:14 PM »

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It is on record that the ALE has possession of the casino records from May 29, 2005.

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ABC 7 NEWS - CHICAGO
February 23, 2006


Posner says it was he who voluntarily turned over this casino surveillance tape to Aruban authorities and that he is furious they have allowed ABC News to broadcast it.


So the question is...is Posner in on the coverup or not.  If not, I'd bet he still has all the surveilance videos from inside the casino that night.


Klaas ... Posner should not be in possession of those tapes ... potential evidence.  According to him ... he turned over the casino recordings from the evening of May 29, 2005 to the ALE.

However ... I do contend that Michael Posner, the owners of Carlos 'N Charlie's and the Van der Sloots have a stake in the outcome of the Natalee Holloway case.  Think about it ... if Joran Van der Sloot were to be held accountable ... the Excelsior ... Carlos 'N Charlies and ... Paulus Van der Sloot would be open to huge lawsuits by Natalee Family.  Joran was underage ... he should never have been allowed on the premises of those establishments by management or his father ... he should never have been allowed a line of credit ... he should never have been allowed to gamble ... he should never have been allowed to drink ... he should never have been afforded a VIP pass ...

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John Q. Kelly
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
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COSBY Ö John, first of all, is there a possibility that Paulus might have been talking to Natalee the night that she disappeared?

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that heís the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times. And itís sort of ironic that itís his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process.
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« Reply #972 on: May 07, 2007, 03:48:53 PM »

Someone asked about statements from the MB kids as to whether Paulus was at the casino with Natalee or not


Katherine (Madison) Whatley
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After swimming at the hotel on Sunday, WHATLEY and other classmates, including HOLLOWAY, ate dinner at a restaurant next to the hotel. After dinner they went to the casino at the hotel. A few classmates were gambling at a card table along with an "older man" and YURON VAN DER SLOOT. (Whatley 302)
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« Reply #973 on: May 07, 2007, 03:49:30 PM »

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Ok 1 last Pic of Joran's feet Smile Those shoes in this pic do not look like size 14!! You agree?




No, they don't look like size 14. They look a lot like 10 1/2.
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« Reply #974 on: May 07, 2007, 03:58:23 PM »

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Someone asked about statements from the MB kids as to whether Paulus was at the casino with Natalee or not


Katherine (Madison) Whatley
FBI Statement - July 12/05

After swimming at the hotel on Sunday, WHATLEY and other classmates, including HOLLOWAY, ate dinner at a restaurant next to the hotel. After dinner they went to the casino at the hotel. A few classmates were gambling at a card table along with an "older man" and YURON VAN DER SLOOT. (Whatley 302)


Kermit ... Joran has acknowledged in his book that there was an older man sitting at the black jack table who looked just like Paulus.  I think this was included to challenge those who claim that it is his father in the casino video.  This has been Joran's agenda from day one ... distancing Paulus from any connection to Natalee Holloway.

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« Reply #975 on: May 07, 2007, 03:59:42 PM »

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Ok 1 last Pic of Joran's feet Smile Those shoes in this pic do not look like size 14!! You agree?




No, they don't look like size 14. They look a lot like 10 1/2.


I totally agree!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #976 on: May 07, 2007, 04:01:31 PM »

I can't check this right now (and will later tonight if no one else does).

Hayley Sagona - the person we noticed in the list of statements - w/urine sample?

I *think* she gave a witness statement on Aruba on 6/5.

I *think* she gave an FBI statement in Jamaica, NY, that involved wine samples on 6/6.

I *think* she gave a urine sample to a nurse in Huntington, NY, on 6/7.

I *think* the result - urine? wine? - was reported at the FBI lab in Quantico on 6/14.

This is based on my scribbles on some PostIts.
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« Reply #977 on: May 07, 2007, 04:01:46 PM »

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Someone asked about statements from the MB kids as to whether Paulus was at the casino with Natalee or not


Katherine (Madison) Whatley
FBI Statement - July 12/05

After swimming at the hotel on Sunday, WHATLEY and other classmates, including HOLLOWAY, ate dinner at a restaurant next to the hotel. After dinner they went to the casino at the hotel. A few classmates were gambling at a card table along with an "older man" and YURON VAN DER SLOOT. (Whatley 302)


Kermit ... Joran has acknowledged in his book that there was an older man sitting at the black jack table who looked just like Paulus.  I think this was included to challenge those who claim that it is his father in the casino video.  This has been Joran's agenda from day one ... distancing Paulus from any connection to Natalee Holloway.

Janet


Not only does it connect Paulus to Natalee...If you all noticed in the picture of Paulus at the gate speaking with Greta and Beth, Paulus is wearing the same "white" shirt he wore the night before. Guess in a hurry to get out front he just grabbed the first thing available to wear.
The  bastage!
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« Reply #978 on: May 07, 2007, 04:13:37 PM »

Do we know when that Florida pic was taken?? remember Joran was only
17 when he met Natalee and Clearly Still growing..
He is fricken HUGE...  Nothing could convince me he wears a 10 1/2
shoe size nothing except seeing his shoe righ ton his feet and clearly
reading the size myself, My brothers are 5 '11 and 6 foot and they both
where  size 11 shoes and size wise there not even close to looking like the APE Joran looks like and my hubby is 5 '8 and wears a size 9
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« Reply #979 on: May 07, 2007, 04:15:46 PM »

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Do we know when that Florida pic was taken?? remember Joran was only
17 when he met Natalee and Clearly Still growing..
He is fricken HUGE...  Nothing could convince me he wears a 10 1/2
shoe size nothing except seeing his shoe righ ton his feet and clearly
reading the size myself, My brothers are 5 '11 and 6 foot and they both
where  size 11 shoes and size wise there not even close to looking like the APE Joran looks like and my hubby is 5 '8 and wears a size 9

Judging by other pics in Florida and older pics of Joran's I'd say he was probably 17 when the Florida pic was taken.  He was probably there checking out colleges.
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