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Quote from: "klaasend"
The rest of Chapter 4 translated by Ramm at BFN and also copied in our Important Case Document forum:
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1117
page 4 (and a bit part 5 as it is the last page of this chapter):
- On Aruba girls give it up (sex) much more easily.
The weather is nice, everybody is a lot nicer. If it gets hot here (weather) than the hormones also start acting up. There are girls here who are just here for the sex, nothing more and nothing less. They are not stupid. I don't have the illusion that they were all smitten/infatuated with me.
- On Aruba you must also expect that your girlfriend might be getting it on with someone else too.
It is a small island. You all go to the same schools, know the same crowd, go to the same clubs to go out and pick up girls. You have to be really good in order to be a player. Joran personally knows a few guys who have 2 or 3 phones for that reason. Joran only had 1 and that was private. I did not like it when girls were looking in my phone who I had been phoning/text messaging with. "If you would trust me, you would not check up on my through my phone" is what Joran would say to them. But he did not deserve that trust because he was no angel.
Isn't that great how he talks about the Aruban girls. I hope everyone is reading what he says about them.
I wonder if Julia Renfro is reading this. Isn't she the one who made the comment about the MB kids.
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PITA
- thanks for the Setar info. Setar is the land lines as well right?
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Yep, Joran is quite the sweetheart. If he were my son I'd be mortified.
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Klaas
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Yep, Joran is quite the sweetheart. If he were my son I'd be mortified.
If he were my son he wouldn't be living.
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Quote from: "klaasend"
Yep, Joran is quite the sweetheart. If he were my son I'd be mortified.
If he were my son he wouldn't be living.
That too
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Yep, Joran is quite the sweetheart. If he were my son I'd be mortified.
If he had been mine...at the age of 14, he would have been sent to an all boys Jesuit boarding school.
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Well Monkeys ... I am very sad. Tonight I was in line at Walmart ... buying a super soaker (water gun) for our grandson's 4th birthday tomorrow when I picked up the National Enquirer. I feel justified reading these magazines when I am forced to wait in a lineup to spend hard earned money. Anyways ... within the pages was the article discussed earlier today on the forum regarding Beth Twitty and John Ramsey. I hope with all my heart it is not true. I have had faith that Jug and Beth would reconcile. Those two have gone through so much in the past two years ... the stress on their relationship must have been overwhelming. Nevertheless ... I was praying that after a period of time apart ...
Janet
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2007/01/05/sad-news-from-mountain-brook-al-jug-and-beth-twitty-divorcing/
168. I HAVE READ ALL THE COMMENTS AND APPRECIATE ALL THE SUPPORT. REGARDLESS OF WHAT PEOPLE MAY THINK I STILL LOVE BETH, MATT AND NATALEE. I WILL ALWAYS BE THERE FOR THEM. I PRAY FOR CLOSURE EVERY NIGHT SO BETH CAN REST.
Comment by JUG TWITTY/January 8, 2007, 9:27 am
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Joran quotes a June 12th PV from Freddy....do we show one or this one somewhere??
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Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
The rest of Chapter 4 translated by Ramm at BFN and also copied in our Important Case Document forum:
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1117
page 4 (and a bit part 5 as it is the last page of this chapter):
- On Aruba girls give it up (sex) much more easily.
The weather is nice, everybody is a lot nicer. If it gets hot here (weather) than the hormones also start acting up. There are girls here who are just here for the sex, nothing more and nothing less. They are not stupid. I don't have the illusion that they were all smitten/infatuated with me.
- On Aruba you must also expect that your girlfriend might be getting it on with someone else too.
It is a small island. You all go to the same schools, know the same crowd, go to the same clubs to go out and pick up girls. You have to be really good in order to be a player. Joran personally knows a few guys who have 2 or 3 phones for that reason. Joran only had 1 and that was private. I did not like it when girls were looking in my phone who I had been phoning/text messaging with. "If you would trust me, you would not check up on my through my phone" is what Joran would say to them. But he did not deserve that trust because he was no angel.
Isn't that great how he talks about the Aruban girls. I hope everyone is reading what he says about them.
I wonder if Julia Renfro is reading this. Isn't she the one who made the comment about the MB kids.
Wearing a banner, claiming herself as Miss Idaho, Julia Renfro stated the little Bible toting bitch got what she was asking for...(sic)
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Janet
- San sent me copies of the NE the other day. I knew it was true but really didn't want to post the pictures in the forum. All we know for sure is that they are dating though so who knows, maybe she and Jug will get back together. Time will tell, they have both been through so much.
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Quote from: "Buckeye"
Joran quotes a June 12th PV from Freddy....do we show one or this one somewhere??
I don't think we have it. Maybe we'll get a translation of it from Ramm or Hannie C.
As you can see by the Dr. Phil document, there are many that we haven't seen.
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Thanks Klaas.
Good Night Monkeys!
10:30 PM PDST
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Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day. I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me. It's not easy. I ask God to help me.
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“A person of integrity expects to be believed and when he’s not, he let’s time prove him right.” -unknown
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Thanks Klaas.
Good Night Monkeys!
10:30 PM PDST
Nite Janet
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I posted this in the previous thread but I thought I'd post it again anyway:
And here is a timeline of cell phone calls/messages and computer activity based on police statements.
2:26 - 2:34 cell phone call from Joran to Deepak, 8 minutes. Deepak says Joran walking, bad connection.
2:34
- Val checks hotmail on VDS computer. Prior to Vals login, no computer activity shown since 10:30 when Joran logged in to check hotmail.
2:46- Deepak sends text to Joran asking him to call when he gets home.
NO INTERMEDIATE 3:00 a.m. call.
3:07
- val navigates to plane forum
3:11
- Joran sends text message to Flor.
3:13 -- [6 minutes after val logs on to forum on VDS computer] Joran sends text from cell to Deepak's MSN saying he's home and will go online.
3:25 - Deepak sends 4 messages from his MSN screen name to Joran's MSN screen name. Joran misses the messages and says he's in kitchen.
3:33 - Message sent from Joran's MSN screen name to Deepak's MSN screen name.
3:35 - Joran's hotmail accessed.
3:35 - Message from Joran's MSN name to Deepak's MSN name.
3:40, 3:45 - Soccer sites visited
3:46, 3:56 - Porn sites visited
4:30 - Joran's hotmail accessed
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DEEPAK'S June 29th Statement. He is referring to May 30th when he got home after leaving Joran and Natalee:
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=192
You are telling me that John Charles CROES has stated that I wrote while I was chatting with him that I had written that the
girl had put her hands in/down my pants
, I can say the following.
I did this to frustrate/mess up the investigation
. I wanted to direct the focus of the police on myself and Joran because we were afraid that Satish would get the details wrong with regard to the "Holiday Inn" story.
I was almost certain that our telephone conversations were being taped and I was certain that my computer was being monitored too.
REALLY? On May 30, 2005 you thought your phone and computers were being monitored??
DEEPAK'S June 13, 2005 statement:
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=182
To your question as to who John Charles CROES is, where he lives and how often I have chatted to him on "MSN", I can say the following.
The afore mentioned John lives with his whole family in Miami. I have known him since school. We were together at the MAVO.
On Monday Mai 30th 2005 I had chatted with John from about 02:40 to 03:30 hours. We didn't chat continually
. From time to time I went and watched some TV. But I am sure that he was online during the time-frame I just mentioned above here.
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Posted by PearlinUSA at BFN:
Joran, freddy, Jaime frequent pools & beaches for girls… SEX
Freddy is said to have been one who opened up this paradise to him .. last chapter SEX
Lot of girls wanting one night stand per joran’s thinking. SEX
To get their trust lie and say you are a tourist too. SEX
This way they won’t think you are trying to get them in the sack. SEX
The more you use this lie the easier it will be to score .. SEX.
Disrespecting a girl to Joran means you would hit them. SEX okay
SEX since age 14.
Parents allow girls to stay over night with him. Don’t suspect SEX.
Girls decide how far and how quick they go. Blame game. SEX
Girls used him for SEX .. not under illusion were smitten with him.
Joran must be good .. to be a player .. SEX
Friends with MULTIPLE PHONES for being a player .. SEX
Joran and friends sometimes RENT a HOTEL room for SEX.
3 guys and 3 girls for 1 room .. SEX
WE did take photos of TOPLESS girl .. SEX .. porn interest.
Acknowledges self as a PUBLIC FIGURE .. ppl can say what they want about him.
Always has condoms, enough to share with friends … SEX
But with missing Natalee, no sex, no condom, no room, no friends, no transportation, no respect, left her, never said goodbye, never told her he was going …… yeah! Right!
Ballsy .. uh huh!
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Joran better tell mom about school #7
VAN DER SLOOT: ... as a mom you‘re very angry that they drive a kid to the hotel to—these are three boys that just like any other 17-year teenager, he wanted to do his best to bring somebody to the hotel safe and this happened. And we don‘t know what happened after that. So I‘m just standing behind my son. I think he‘s a great kid. He was ready to go to school. He got accepted at
six universities
in the states.
http://tinyurl.com/36xrea
They all lie.
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Pearl is great.
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Buckeye
- YEP to both of your posts above
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