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« Reply #780 on: May 07, 2007, 09:39:30 AM »

Hi None. Bye None.  Laughing
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« Reply #781 on: May 07, 2007, 09:44:23 AM »

Morning monkeys.... Very Happy

Working and lurking and reading overnight posts.....
I don't ever get on a soapbox....but I do not think we are
really here for recognition....everyone gets passed over....
sometimes I really think something is important and I sit
and wait for an answer and there is none.....so then I
go off looking on google for the answer...this leads to a
lot of searching and I am back an hour later....catching up again...
if we learn one or two things a day, the day was worth it....
like the picture collage of Paulus yesterday....now I am positive....
in my own mind....the man was there....important piece of info...!
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« Reply #782 on: May 07, 2007, 09:48:31 AM »

The significance of the shoes is not what size Joran actually wore but what size he claimed to wear.  It is likely he planted Size 14 shoes at the beach to try to establish that as proof that he and Natalee were actually there and that is where he left her.

A sort of proof, if you will, physical evidence they were actually there.

It's not about Joran's feet.  It's about his attempt to establish the beach as the crime scene, proving it by claiming to have left shoes there.  Someone was supposed to find the shoes and then everybody say, see, they really were there after all.

He did NOT go home barefoot, etc.

Yes, shoe sizes are in small increments but I still don't thnk anybody who actually wears a Size 14 would ever select a size 10.5 for a new pair.  That's the size his new ones at KIA were.  Was he expecting his feet to shrink?

But I do think he may well have left Size 14's at the beach near the fisherman's hut.  They could have been any size that it was conceivable Joran would wear.

Adoronron has an excellent theory for where he got those shoes, too, the racket club,  Unfortunately for the Sporter, someone found them and took them home instead of turning them in as the evidence he needed.

But imagine if those shoes had been found neatly on the beach just as he claimed.  Wouldn't that really give support for his claims to have left Natalee there, looking at the stars on a cloudy night?  Complete innocence established.

More attempt to move the crime scene from the Sloot compound to the beach.

It's not about what size his feet were.  And there was supposed to have been a bloody tennis shoe but wasn't that determined to be Joran's blood very early?

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« Reply #783 on: May 07, 2007, 09:51:20 AM »

NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

What Did Deepak Kalpoe Know about Natalee Holloway and When?


http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2007/05/07/what-did-deepak-kalpoe-know-about-natalee-holloway-and-when/


NOTE:  When Red puts "hat tip klaas" on the front page posts, he is not attributing the article to me but any visuals (photos, gifs, videos) I may have put together to go along with the front page post.
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« Reply #784 on: May 07, 2007, 09:54:59 AM »

Off to work. . .

have a glorious day, Monkeys!

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« Reply #785 on: May 07, 2007, 09:55:13 AM »

Quote from: "Anna"
The significance of the shoes is not what size Joran actually wore but what size he claimed to wear.  It is likely he planted Size 14 shoes at the beach to try to establish that as proof that he and Natalee were actually there and that is where he left her.

A sort of proof, if you will, physical evidence they were actually there.

It's not about Joran's feet.  It's about his attempt to establish the beach as the crime scene, proving it by claiming to have left shoes there.  Someone was supposed to find the shoes and then everybody say, see, they really were there after all.

He did NOT go home barefoot, etc.

Yes, shoe sizes are in small increments but I still don't thnk anybody who actually wears a Size 14 would ever select a size 10.5 for a new pair.  That's the size his new ones at KIA were.  Was he expecting his feet to shrink?

But I do think he may well have left Size 14's at the beach near the fisherman's hut.  They could have been any size that it was conceivable Joran would wear.

Adoronron has an excellent theory for where he got those shoes, too, the racket club,  Unfortunately for the Sporter, someone found them and took them home instead of turning them in as the evidence he needed.

But imagine if those shoes had been found neatly on the beach just as he claimed.  Wouldn't that really give support for his claims to have left Natalee there, looking at the stars on a cloudy night?  Complete innocence established.

More attempt to move the crime scene from the Sloot compound to the beach.

It's not about what size his feet were.  And there was supposed to have been a bloody tennis shoe but wasn't that determined to be Joran's blood very early?

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That is the clearest explanation I've read so far for the shoe discrepancy.  So was Freddy sent out to buy a pair to "plant"?

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« Reply #786 on: May 07, 2007, 10:01:13 AM »

Anna...your thoughts on the "bottom line" re the shoes is so clear....thanks.... Smile
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« Reply #787 on: May 07, 2007, 10:02:49 AM »

Quote from: "Anna"
The significance of the shoes is not what size Joran actually wore but what size he claimed to wear.  It is likely he planted Size 14 shoes at the beach to try to establish that as proof that he and Natalee were actually there and that is where he left her.

A sort of proof, if you will, physical evidence they were actually there.

It's not about Joran's feet.  It's about his attempt to establish the beach as the crime scene, proving it by claiming to have left shoes there.  Someone was supposed to find the shoes and then everybody say, see, they really were there after all.

He did NOT go home barefoot, etc.

Yes, shoe sizes are in small increments but I still don't thnk anybody who actually wears a Size 14 would ever select a size 10.5 for a new pair.  That's the size his new ones at KIA were.  Was he expecting his feet to shrink?

But I do think he may well have left Size 14's at the beach near the fisherman's hut.  They could have been any size that it was conceivable Joran would wear.

Adoronron has an excellent theory for where he got those shoes, too, the racket club,  Unfortunately for the Sporter, someone found them and took them home instead of turning them in as the evidence he needed.

But imagine if those shoes had been found neatly on the beach just as he claimed.  Wouldn't that really give support for his claims to have left Natalee there, looking at the stars on a cloudy night?  Complete innocence established.

More attempt to move the crime scene from the Sloot compound to the beach.

It's not about what size his feet were.  And there was supposed to have been a bloody tennis shoe but wasn't that determined to be Joran's blood very early?

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i like this

 BUT

if it turns out he actually wears size 14
then this is needs to be reworked  Cool
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« Reply #788 on: May 07, 2007, 10:08:56 AM »

If the shoes were stolen from the beach, it also could explain why he believes there was someone on the beach.... the shoe thief..

It also could explain why the person, if they were stolen, did not turn them in.

Who wants to be holding evidence in the case????
it could at a minimum cost you 8 pleasant days at KIA.

Klaas, I'm trying to tie something together here...do we know for a fact that the 'call(s)' do-es exist? I have heard a few conflicting things on this...

One call to classmate...William Morris????

One call to Beth...'I don't know these guys / people' ~ this call got Beth speeding and pulled over by the state trooper, who listened to the call, and escorted her to the state line... where she was joined by the state police of that state. Arkansas to Alabama????

Time approx 3 am.

Are either of these calls real?

If they are, it nails Paulus' ass to the wall.

If J2K (or J + Deepak and unknown person) are at the racquet club at 3 am per the gardener, then it looks like they are getting fake evidence to plant on the beach...

This puts Paulus totally alone in the house as he said he was there at that time...
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« Reply #789 on: May 07, 2007, 10:14:47 AM »

The translation/summary of Joran's book, Chapter 5 titled Girlfriends is now in the Important Case Document forum:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1117

Rob - I'm not sure about the calls
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« Reply #790 on: May 07, 2007, 10:17:00 AM »

Morning monkeys. On my second cup of coffee and already the cage is jumping with info.
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« Reply #791 on: May 07, 2007, 10:17:24 AM »

Good Morning Monkeys.  Good to see you all.  I have been out of the loop for a few days, been out of commission due to a family member's wedding.  A Beautiful Event.

Working and lurking as usual.
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« Reply #792 on: May 07, 2007, 10:17:43 AM »

I feel IMHO,that the shoes were hidden later.Art Wood pointed out the sand would cut your feet up,along with the cacti.I think val was at the house,bring him and book him.Someone will talk then.They are all scum and they disgust me.Sorry to mince words,but I don't want to offend.They are an ugly group.
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« Reply #793 on: May 07, 2007, 10:25:14 AM »

Joran needs to sue the ghost writer, because so far this book is garbage!  It reads like a childish entry into a bad diary.  I like her, she like me, we don't like no more, next....  ARGH!
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« Reply #794 on: May 07, 2007, 10:25:16 AM »

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Rob - I'm not sure about the calls


OK thank you... I'll just put it aside for now.

Good Morning Klaas.
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« Reply #795 on: May 07, 2007, 10:25:44 AM »

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Joran needs to sue the ghost writer, because so far this book is garbage!  It reads like a childish entry into a bad diary.  I like her, she like me, we don't like no more, next....  ARGH!


 Laughing  Laughing

I wonder who David is.
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« Reply #796 on: May 07, 2007, 10:34:06 AM »

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Quote from: "Easywriter"
Joran needs to sue the ghost writer, because so far this book is garbage!  It reads like a childish entry into a bad diary.  I like her, she like me, we don't like no more, next....  ARGH!


 Laughing  Laughing

I wonder who David is.


Probably just another young dumba$$ living in Aruba.

The whole book thing just turns my stomach and is so transparent.  How this kid pulled one on anybody is beyond me!
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« Reply #797 on: May 07, 2007, 10:38:03 AM »

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« Reply #798 on: May 07, 2007, 10:39:24 AM »

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Klaas, I'm trying to tie something together here...do we know for a fact that the 'call(s)' do-es exist? I have heard a few conflicting things on this...

One call to classmate...William Morris????

One call to Beth...'I don't know these guys / people' ~ this call got Beth speeding and pulled over by the state trooper, who listened to the call, and escorted her to the state line... where she was joined by the state police of that state. Arkansas to Alabama????

Time approx 3 am.

Are either of these calls real?

If they are, it nails Paulus' ass to the wall.

If J2K (or J + Deepak and unknown person) are at the racquet club at 3 am per the gardener, then it looks like they are getting fake evidence to plant on the beach...

This puts Paulus totally alone in the house as he said he was there at that time...


Rob - Beth has said out loud, to a room full of people, that there were NO PHONE CALLS TO or FROM Natalee during the trip.

The William Morris call (the one C Croes listened to) was from a Florida area code. There was "no human vocalization" on it.

I know this phone call thing dies hard, but I really think she tried to put it to rest. It is one thing for sure the FBI could investigate.

One of the things she stresses in these talks to travelers she's doing, is to take your cell phone, get international calling, and keep the phone with you at all times.
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« Reply #799 on: May 07, 2007, 10:40:02 AM »

This case has been solved within the first 24- 48 hours!  What is taking the blinking Dutch & Arubans so long? Paulus calling in his favors, the time lost looking at the security guards?  The lost or intentionally mis-diagnosed evidence?

Pick a theory.  Any theory.  Joran & Paulus are guilty.  There is evidence to be found at the vd Slut's compound even 2 years later or they wouldn't ave gotten a search warrat 2 years later.  Aruba is scared.   Paulus is sweating, Joran is pooping his pants, and Anita is furious.

Anyway, just wanted to say a quick hello.  Then its off to the hospital for a CT scan of my abdomen & pelvis looking for why my right groin hurts all the time.  It has hurt since after my first surgery, what I complained about the pain even before I eviscerated.  I think its a hernia myself, but I'm no Doctor.  WAIT - I am!  LOL.

I'm just sick of these tests and Dr's appointments out the yingyang.  That little trip to the hospital in Cardiac CCU overnight has cost over $16K already.  Bills still arriving.

Went to a surgeon to cut a growth off my right arm.  Has to be done as an outpatient.  PITA.

My blood pressure was up to 180/110.  Arghhhh!  My main Doc is weaning me off some meds - bad withdrawal- but hasn't put me on anything new yet, which is causing the spike in BP.  Never had high BP in my life.  It's the withdrawal of meds.

Anyway, send a few prayers my way and for Cherokee too!  Going to meet with the lawyer this week.  And this is suppossed to be the best year of my life. Age = year born.

I love you, I miss you.  I pray for you and Natalee's loved ones.

Keep the faith.

Gotta run.  I'll keep you posted!
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