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Author Topic: Lively Case Discussion #614 5/5 - 5/6/2007  (Read 138839 times)
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« Reply #900 on: May 07, 2007, 01:18:17 PM »

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« Reply #901 on: May 07, 2007, 01:19:18 PM »

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OK......one thing that bothers me about this video/casino/Paul thingy is that there were PLENTY of people around that table and witnesses......did anyone of THOSE peeps say it WAS HIM?? We do not need video to prove it....ASK the people who were at the damn table!! SIMPLE!!!



Remember ... according to Joran and Paulus' declarations Paulus left during the poker tournament ... this was prior to Joran's encounter with Natalee and friends at the black jack table.  Neverthess ... Beth's words of September, 2005 imply that she knew there was a Natalee/Paulus connection on the evening of May 29, 2005.  Think about it ... the casino recording that appears to show Paulus conversing with Natalee was not released/leaked by ABC until March, 2006.

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1.  How did Beth Twitty know that Natalee had met Paulus Van der Sloot?

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September 20, 2005


HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well, there was a phone call made. And it was just really having me refer to—you know, I‘d only mentioned the fact I had gotten from prosecuting attorney as far as the open line of credit, and that Joran is in his casino gambling, and I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.

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2.  Could Natalee's friends who were at the black jack table have revealed this info to Beth?


Katherine (Madison) Whatley
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July 12, 2005


After swimming at the hotel on Sunday, WHATLEY and other classmates, including HOLLOWAY, ate dinner at a restaurant next to the hotel. After dinner they went to the casino at the hotel. A few classmates were gambling at a card table along with an "older man" and YURON VAN DER SLOOT. (Whatley 302)

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3.  Could there be declarations from employees or patrons which reveal that there was a Paulus/Natalee connection?

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DANA: When you look at this case, a question keeps coming up. I am looking at the picture on my PC. It is the alleged picture of a person in the casino with Natalee that looks a lot like Paul. Has there been any update on this issue?

JOSSY: There have not been any change of opinion. People, including people in the casino say that is Paul.
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« Reply #902 on: May 07, 2007, 01:21:51 PM »

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Confused another thing that has always bugged me about Joran's shoe size....anyone on the investigating peeps ever check his closet or rom to see what size his shoes are??.......why all the hype about the shoe size IF POLICE CHECKED HIS GOD DAMN CLOSET!! HELLOOOOoooooooooooooo.......Damn...sorry...I am almost at heart attack level here cause I am not even an investigator and I as a 'laymen...would check this shit....no?? DID ANYONE??


Yeah and there are countless other ways too, nut! I'd be satisfied if they did a simple credit card check for his parents. Check the payments to any shoe related purchase for the last 4 years and guess what? The size is right there! Remember the OJ trial? They found a purchase of bruno magli (sp) shoes that matched the footprints at the crime scene in OJ's size purchased at Bloomingdale's on the exact month, day, and year. It even gave the color!
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« Reply #903 on: May 07, 2007, 01:28:34 PM »

It is not a coincidence that Paulus was at the same table, in fact right next to Natalee.  Joran is on the other side of the girls.  Natalee shows lots of space between her and Paulus and even appears to me, repulsed by him.  She is sitting so close to the girl on her right that she is almost on her lap.... If I were there looking for a spot on a table I would probably grab that spot because there was room....

All along we thought this was a cover up for Joran --- but really it was a cover up for the father -- "your own father?  Unbelievable"
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« Reply #904 on: May 07, 2007, 01:31:29 PM »

CBB - Here is something else I actually know a little about (and probably many others too).

For practically every retail purchase, there is a SKU - store/shop keeper's unit #. It's a bunch of numbers, but basically reveals manufacturer, distirbutor, item, size, color ...

It doesn't even have to be a credit card purchase. It's bar coded, and either scanned or keyed into the cash register.
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« Reply #905 on: May 07, 2007, 01:34:10 PM »

CBB you are so right about the receipts for the shoes  Shocked

silverfox, as sick as it makes me to think of it, I agree with you that PVDS was there that night and sitting there for a reason  Confused

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« Reply #906 on: May 07, 2007, 01:36:44 PM »

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CBB - Here is something else I actually know a little about (and probably many others too).

For practically every retail purchase, there is a SKU - store/shop keeper's unit #. It's a bunch of numbers, but basically reveals manufacturer, distirbutor, item, size, color ...

It doesn't even have to be a credit card purchase. It's bar coded, and either scanned or keyed into the cash register.


Well, there you go! Exactly!

It's like the question of him being in school  the following day. That's a question that should be, could be, even now nailed down shut. There just hasn't been a willingness to nail this stuff down.
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« Reply #907 on: May 07, 2007, 01:37:00 PM »

... no one had to interview the people at the table....the
multiple cameras took pictures of everyone...and from various positions...
the casino can tell you who played and how much each bet and who dealt and who the relief dealers were for that table....we have always talked about only one dealer....dealers are relieved on a regular rotation....
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« Reply #908 on: May 07, 2007, 01:39:48 PM »

ALE KNOWS

1.  Who was at the table and if it was PVDS
2.  What size shoe Joran really wears

IMO, ALE knows what happened to Natalee and has since at least June 10, 2005.

ALE and ARUBA have chosen to cover it up
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« Reply #909 on: May 07, 2007, 01:41:01 PM »

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... no one had to interview the people at the table....the
multiple cameras took pictures of everyone...and from various positions...
the casino can tell you who played and how much each bet and who dealt and who the relief dealers were for that table....we have always talked about only one dealer....dealers are relieved on a regular rotation....


And mere, anytime you can establish something WITHOUT it being established from the mouths of suspects, it sticks. It's also invaluable to have lies on record that evidence contradicts. That;s the sort of stuff that makes it possible to convict without a body. It's cumulative, but it adds up.
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« Reply #910 on: May 07, 2007, 01:41:53 PM »

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ALE KNOWS

1.  Who was at the table and if it was PVDS
2.  What size shoe Joran really wears

IMO, ALE knows what happened to Natalee and has since at least June 10, 2005.

ALE and ARUBA have chosen to cover it up


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« Reply #911 on: May 07, 2007, 01:42:18 PM »

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ALE KNOWS

1.  Who was at the table and if it was PVDS
2.  What size shoe Joran really wears

IMO, ALE knows what happened to Natalee and has since at least June 10, 2005.

ALE and ARUBA have chosen to cover it up


CLARITY! Klaas has defined clarity and has smacked that nail right on the head!
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« Reply #912 on: May 07, 2007, 01:45:20 PM »

The question in my mind is: Is Holland falling in suit with ALE, or is there an investigation going on for real?

IMO, we'll know shortly because if there is an investigation, all 3 will be in cells soon, very soon, based solely on their own words.
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« Reply #913 on: May 07, 2007, 01:46:50 PM »

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ALE KNOWS

1.  Who was at the table and if it was PVDS
2.  What size shoe Joran really wears

IMO, ALE knows what happened to Natalee and has since at least June 10, 2005.

ALE and ARUBA have chosen to cover it up


CLARITY! Klaas has defined clarity and has smacked that nail right on the head!


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« Reply #914 on: May 07, 2007, 01:48:01 PM »

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ALE KNOWS

1.  Who was at the table and if it was PVDS
2.  What size shoe Joran really wears

IMO, ALE knows what happened to Natalee and has since at least June 10, 2005.

ALE and ARUBA have chosen to cover it up


CLARITY! Klaas has defined clarity and has smacked that nail right on the head!




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« Reply #915 on: May 07, 2007, 01:49:14 PM »

O/T  4 x 4

Thanks for the compliment on my avatar.  Yellow seems to be her color!  Hope you are seeing the Queen's hats!  I encourage you to wear one to your son's wedding.  I have sources reasonable ones that I can relay via Klaas if she will be so kind as to pass them on to you if you are interested.

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« Reply #916 on: May 07, 2007, 01:51:31 PM »

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ALE KNOWS

1.  Who was at the table and if it was PVDS
2.  What size shoe Joran really wears

IMO, ALE knows what happened to Natalee and has since at least June 10, 2005.

ALE and ARUBA have chosen to cover it up


Yep, they would have to know all these things that have been bugging us for two years, because it is some pretty basic stuff.  Casino records, phone records, ATM records….. It’s all there.  We just don’t know what it says and we can’t believe any of the suspects.
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« Reply #917 on: May 07, 2007, 01:52:58 PM »

Carnut- I think the MB kids have been asked to please not comment on anything until further notice. That is the reason you do not hear from any of them anymore.

FEB made a statement that seemed as if Natalee was seen back at the HI. Since that time, I do not recall seeing any of them anywhere online. Other than maybe Dash once or twice.

FEB's statement has been internet fodder for almost two years and lends credence to the trolls trying to side track Justice For Natalee. This is a likely reason that they have been asked to remain silent. Even though her statement is not exculpatory of the main suspects, it adds fuel to the fire and things get taken out of context, as we all know.

I believe that the FBI, ALE and Aruban Authorities all know what happened just like Klaas said. In the future hopefully the rest of us will all know too...

If nothing else, I just hope Beth and Dave get the answers. If they're satisfied, I'm satisfied.
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« Reply #918 on: May 07, 2007, 01:54:09 PM »

To find out something, ALE would have to want to know.  From the few statements we have seen, it is obvious they never follow up with logical questions so I have to assume they don't really want to know.  At least in the beginning, they surely didn't.

And the times given on the PV's are ridiculous.  Hours of questions and a page or two, double spaced, very little to show for the time allotted.

To find something, you have to be looking for it!


Back to working and lurking.  I hope I don't incur



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« Reply #919 on: May 07, 2007, 01:57:01 PM »

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ALE KNOWS

1.  Who was at the table and if it was PVDS
2.  What size shoe Joran really wears

IMO, ALE knows what happened to Natalee and has since at least June 10, 2005.

ALE and ARUBA have chosen to cover it up


Yep, they would have to know all these things that have been bugging us for two years, because it is some pretty basic stuff.  Casino records, phone records, ATM records….. It’s all there.  We just don’t know what it says and we can’t believe any of the suspects.


The absolutely unimaginable thing is that Beth and`Dave`don't know what it says either, and that's unforgivable.

For me, the stuff left hanging is the valid`reason for a boycott, and`we'd accomplish something if we could correctly convey that to Aruba.
I'm sorry to admit that bad things happen in the US too, even to visitors. What makes Aruba so dangerous is the lack of commitment to resolve it and hold the responsible accountable. The fact that ALE is capable of working hard to cover up the facts is frightening.
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