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« Reply #240 on: May 07, 2007, 09:42:48 PM »

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Anna - What is your avatar doing?


She's smelling those flowers.

Is yours wearing lipstick?   Shocked

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No, I just have full red lips!  Razz

Yours turns into a black box on my computer.  Must be my display memory.



Guess that's not mascara, either, then, huh?  Just extra long dark lashes?

I change my avatar's outfit often and probably will tonight so next one may not be animated.  It should be OK for you.

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« Reply #241 on: May 07, 2007, 09:42:51 PM »

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In todays Diario - Easy...ask Jossy about this.  The headline translated by MF at FOB =Dutch Circus came and left, but the clowns stayed behind :

CIRCO DI HULANDA A BIN Y BAI PERO E PAYASONAN A KEDA ATRÁS

Could someone run the article  through a papi translator. I think Jossy is ripping on the Dutch team and what they have done (rather, not done) so far. Could it be the Dutch team has left?


Easy said via Jossy that the Dutch team is still there in Aruba, but that their activities are not known at this time. I don't think Jossy wrote the article.
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« Reply #242 on: May 07, 2007, 09:43:22 PM »

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Oh Eeeeasy, I have someone for you to meet........



Kinda cute!  Is she from Aruba?   Smile
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« Reply #243 on: May 07, 2007, 09:43:52 PM »

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In todays Diario - Easy...ask Jossy about this.  The headline translated by MF at FOB =Dutch Circus came and left, but the clowns stayed behind :

CIRCO DI HULANDA A BIN Y BAI PERO E PAYASONAN A KEDA ATRÁS

Could someone run the article  through a papi translator. I think Jossy is ripping on the Dutch team and what they have done (rather, not done) so far. Could it be the Dutch team has left?

Spock - I know you will catch up but Jossy didn't write the article, one of his reporters did and Jossy isn't too happy about it.
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« Reply #244 on: May 07, 2007, 09:44:28 PM »

If Jossy doesn't know where the Dutch team is or what they are doing, how does he know they haven't left?

That article is sort of upsetting.

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« Reply #245 on: May 07, 2007, 09:44:48 PM »

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I'd be more than happy to discuss Guido and think that HEAVY BATTERY is a very heavy charge.

No one has been charged. Under the Dutch system, suspects are detained on suspision. Charges are a whole different matter. I think you knew that, just wanted to clarify.
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« Reply #246 on: May 07, 2007, 09:47:05 PM »

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In todays Diario - Easy...ask Jossy about this.  The headline translated by MF at FOB =Dutch Circus came and left, but the clowns stayed behind :

CIRCO DI HULANDA A BIN Y BAI PERO E PAYASONAN A KEDA ATRÁS

Could someone run the article  through a papi translator. I think Jossy is ripping on the Dutch team and what they have done (rather, not done) so far. Could it be the Dutch team has left?

Spock - I know you will catch up but Jossy didn't write the article, one of his reporters did and Jossy isn't too happy about it.

I see Jossy didnt write it, but I have a feeling it is saying the Dutch have left Aruba for now.
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« Reply #247 on: May 07, 2007, 09:47:18 PM »

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If Jossy doesn't know where the Dutch team is or what they are doing, how does he know they haven't left?

That article is sort of upsetting.

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And if he doesn know what they are doing who is feeding Paulus information.  He was quick to answer they found nothing on this property.  How would he know.
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« Reply #248 on: May 07, 2007, 09:48:49 PM »

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I would LOVE to discuss Guido but I don't know the first thing about him!

Without a Guido PV...it is difficult.

It is obvious, though, that Joran intentionaly excluded him early on. And Joran's 6/14 PV is the only one that covers monday in-depth.

Andre's PV (and probabaly Guido's) forced Joran to adapt his story.

If the diary story matches up with his book story then Joran now admits to spending all night with Guido. Including 7:45 to 11:00...a time frame filled with a whole lotta nothing.
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« Reply #249 on: May 07, 2007, 09:50:45 PM »

A little more insanity from the perps:

Satish 6/24:
You ask me what I meant when I said to the police force Wednesday June 1, 2005: "then I saw this and I said to Deepak, Joran is crazy”, I can explain it following:
Joran and the missing girl that he just met that day was satisfying himself already with a French kiss with the girl. I found that normal and my brother did not indeed and told me that Joran was crazy
[/b]  So who said the "crazy" part?  Deepak or Satish?  



Satish 6/24:
On your question if during getting out of the car,were Joran and missing little girl entirely dressed, I can explain the following:
Joran and the missing girl had everything still on that they had when they got into the car.

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Satish 6/30:
On your question of when Deepak, Joran and I were with Natalee on, May 30, 2005, in the nighttime hours, wasn’t it too dark in the car for Joran to see the color of the missing girl’s panties, I can only answer this:
There was enough light in the car of Deepak. Joran must have taken off the clothing of the girl so that he could see the color of the panties she wore.
[/b] And an unconscious Natalee dressed herself again in the back seat before getting out of the car.

Satish 6/24:
We arrived at the lighthouse and the missing girl was sleeping already. The missing girl lay with her head on the lap of Joran. My brother asked Joran if the missing girl would still see the lighthouse or not. Joran said to my brother, "I do not think so"
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« Reply #250 on: May 07, 2007, 09:52:44 PM »

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Still checking this one out, but.....

That the circus came to Aruba, meaning the Dutch, and left, and only the clowns remained. Whoever wrote that article doesn't know what he is talking about. I already called the reporter's attention that he should consult with me before writing anything about the Holloway case. It won't happen again, I assure you!

Wow, so Jossy didn't write it.  MF claims Jossy did.  The question for Jossy is have the Dutch team left Aruba or not?


He told me a couple of hours ago that they were still there.

16:17EDT

The Dutch are still here and show no signs of leaving soon. The only thing that bothers me is their silence. No one knows at his point what they are up to, nor what they may have found that is of interest to their quest.


Hope to find out more about this confusion.


According to Jossy, as of a couple hours ago there are still in Aruba.
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« Reply #251 on: May 07, 2007, 09:53:33 PM »

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DEEPAK 06/13/2005 STATEMENT
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During the conversation I had with him I had for one reason or another shot my mouth off and said something about the sporting shoes. The man asked me what I meant by sporting shoes. I then said to him that I was thinking about something unrelated/different.


I stand corrected...  Yapper's  nailed it
to add a little more from that statement
May 31 with Beth & company at the Holiday Inn
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I stood at one of the concrete beam/pillar in front of the lobby. The man who had driven the green Yaris called me to come over to where he was. I went over to him. The man was sitting in the car. The man asked me in Papiamentu whether or not the story we told was true. I said yes to him. During the conversation I had with him I had for one reason or another shot my mouth off and said something about the sporting shoes.


10 1/2 size shoe... where did that come from?   What size does Deepak wear??   Sorry Embarassed
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« Reply #252 on: May 07, 2007, 09:56:09 PM »

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A little more insanity from the perps:

Satish 6/24:
You ask me what I meant when I said to the police force Wednesday June 1, 2005: "then I saw this and I said to Deepak, Joran is crazy”, I can explain it following:
Joran and the missing girl that he just met that day was satisfying himself already with a French kiss with the girl. I found that normal and my brother did not indeed and told me that Joran was crazy
[/b]  So who said the "crazy" part?  Deepak or Satish?  



Satish 6/24:
On your question if during getting out of the car,were Joran and missing little girl entirely dressed, I can explain the following:
Joran and the missing girl had everything still on that they had when they got into the car.

[/i]
Satish 6/30:
On your question of when Deepak, Joran and I were with Natalee on, May 30, 2005, in the nighttime hours, wasn’t it too dark in the car for Joran to see the color of the missing girl’s panties, I can only answer this:
There was enough light in the car of Deepak. Joran must have taken off the clothing of the girl so that he could see the color of the panties she wore.
[/b] And an unconscious Natalee dressed herself again in the back seat before getting out of the car.

Satish 6/24:
We arrived at the lighthouse and the missing girl was sleeping already. The missing girl lay with her head on the lap of Joran. My brother asked Joran if the missing girl would still see the lighthouse or not. Joran said to my brother, "I do not think so"
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Lala's in another statement they asked Satish is Natalee was fully clothed and Satish said yes.  So which is it Satish.
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« Reply #253 on: May 07, 2007, 09:56:36 PM »

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Still checking this one out, but.....

That the circus came to Aruba, meaning the Dutch, and left, and only the clowns remained. Whoever wrote that article doesn't know what he is talking about. I already called the reporter's attention that he should consult with me before writing anything about the Holloway case. It won't happen again, I assure you!

Wow, so Jossy didn't write it.  MF claims Jossy did.  The question for Jossy is have the Dutch team left Aruba or not?


He told me a couple of hours ago that they were still there.

16:17EDT

The Dutch are still here and show no signs of leaving soon. The only thing that bothers me is their silence. No one knows at his point what they are up to, nor what they may have found that is of interest to their quest.


Hope to find out more about this confusion.


According to Jossy, as of a couple hours ago there are still in Aruba.


Unless they have been trickling off the island slowly, I think their departure would have been noticed and reported.  But, I am still checking it out and will let everyone know what I learn.
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« Reply #254 on: May 07, 2007, 09:57:40 PM »

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A little more insanity from the perps:

Satish 6/24:
You ask me what I meant when I said to the police force Wednesday June 1, 2005: "then I saw this and I said to Deepak, Joran is crazy”, I can explain it following:
Joran and the missing girl that he just met that day was satisfying himself already with a French kiss with the girl. I found that normal and my brother did not indeed and told me that Joran was crazy
[/b]  So who said the "crazy" part?  Deepak or Satish?  

Deepak, i guess. So...am i to understand that french-kissing is *crazy*? Was this before or after the Ks put on the *non-crazy* porn video?
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« Reply #255 on: May 07, 2007, 09:59:07 PM »

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A little more insanity from the perps:

Satish 6/24:
You ask me what I meant when I said to the police force Wednesday June 1, 2005: "then I saw this and I said to Deepak, Joran is crazy”, I can explain it following:
Joran and the missing girl that he just met that day was satisfying himself already with a French kiss with the girl. I found that normal and my brother did not indeed and told me that Joran was crazy
[/b]  So who said the "crazy" part?  Deepak or Satish?  



Satish 6/24:
On your question if during getting out of the car,were Joran and missing little girl entirely dressed, I can explain the following:
Joran and the missing girl had everything still on that they had when they got into the car.

[/i]
Satish 6/30:
On your question of when Deepak, Joran and I were with Natalee on, May 30, 2005, in the nighttime hours, wasn’t it too dark in the car for Joran to see the color of the missing girl’s panties, I can only answer this:
There was enough light in the car of Deepak. Joran must have taken off the clothing of the girl so that he could see the color of the panties she wore.
[/b] And an unconscious Natalee dressed herself again in the back seat before getting out of the car.

Satish 6/24:
We arrived at the lighthouse and the missing girl was sleeping already. The missing girl lay with her head on the lap of Joran. My brother asked Joran if the missing girl would still see the lighthouse or not. Joran said to my brother, "I do not think so"
[/b]

Lala's in another statement they asked Satish is Natalee was fully clothed and Satish said yes.  So which is it Satish.

Oops sorry Lala's I just read it again.  I see you saw that.  You red highlights I was reading.
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« Reply #256 on: May 07, 2007, 10:00:38 PM »

Chapter 6 of Joran's book - as summarized by Ramm at BFN (also in the Important Case Document forum)

CHAPTER 6 - GAMBLING

page 1:

- during their cruising for hot girl in the hotels and swimming pools Joran and his friends on occasion also walked through the many casinos who were in a lot of the hotels. Joran liked the atmosphere there, especially the free drinks one can use to tank up on alcohol before going out to a club.

- as a minor Joran was not allowed in the casinos but due to his posture he was seldom asked for his ID and after a while he had become a regular at the casinos so he was not asked to produce his ID because most employees at the casino assumed that he had been found to be 18 or older by some other member of staff.

- Joran watched a lot of poker and quickly caught on. His best subjects at school were math and statistics. Poker is less of a gambling game than black jack and you can control the game much more with poker. You can bluff, you can throw your cards away immediately or fold later on.

- Joran observed the poker game for 2 weeks. One Sunday evening at a free tournament he entered for fun and was pretty good at it. He was a good bluffer because he had a system with which I played with the 2 cards open on the table and not always the ones in my hands.

page 2:

- if I saw a weakness in somebody I would visualize that I had the best possible hand and that I would play it a certain way. Usually that worked for me especially if you can read a person's weaknesses. I do not know if I am also easy to read but I try to remain as cool as possible. Up to a point I can guesstimate what kind of cards someone has, but then again, that person could also just be good at bluffing.

- by watching body language and the way someone looks at their cards or looks out of their eyes, I can read whether that person has a good or a bad hand. For example, if someone looks 4 times at their cards even before flop and is very quiet, then I am going to assume he has a strong hand. If someone hits the table to quickly get the possibility to play then that person usually has a bad hand. When you have a good hand, you are mostly a lot more patient. Sometimes I make great plays/calls or raises and sometimes I make very poor plays.

- someones eyes are the most telling. The more often I play the same person, the better I can learn their game. I will know who the bluffers are and who are not. There are people who leave a table after 3 hours but there are also people who will play you all night long.

- at some tournaments I played for 8pm to 3am. The casinos are open till 6am and they will order pizzas for you and give you drinks all nigh.

- the poker tournaments on TV and the Super Hype give off a certain image of poker players. They were dark sunglasses, earphones at the table. That is bullshit. There are those who wear big sunglasses and sit there with their i-pods but most are just regular people. Old or young, man or woman. Poker is a social game, in between hands there is a lot of chatter.

page 3:

- but you need to stay focussed, poker is a tactical game where it is important to keep your cool. The best feeling is winning when you have nothing in your hands.

- in the past I never bought back into a tournament after I had been eliminated because I thought it was a waste of money. Now if often buy myself back into the tournament or play in 10 dollar tournaments.

- with poker Joran has won 5,000 USD (according to Joran that is. It may not sound a lot but for a 17 year old that is a lot of money. Nowadays people win hundreds of thousands of dollars at poker tournaments, but Joran says because he is only in it for a few years. Joran saved part of the one to his savings account. That way he was able to buy a I-river.

- Joran had no job, he liked hanging out. He got 100 aruban florins. If he needed clothes or books his parents would buy it for them, etc.

- Joran says he had no time for jobs anyway, between all the things he had to do during the day.

- whenever his money was gone, he would just ask his parents for more.

= his father once offered him a deal, he would get 160 USD a month if  agreed to buy his new clothes and mom or dad would no longer pay for that.  

page 4 (and a bit page 5, last page of chapter):

- the deal with his parents cost him because it was a bad deal for him. Now he had to pay for his clothes and that meant spending a lot more than before and one pair of good pants could cost him a months budget.

- his parents thought he was not good with money. Joran at first disagreed. Maybe he did spend too much money when he went out, but what teen doesn't?

- participating in the poker tournaments on Sundays at the Holiday Inn cost no money but could bring Joran money. And that money could be used to boost his "going out fund".

- Joran's parents dislike/hate casinos. They thing gambling is a waste of money and they are afraid of addiction. They did not forbid me to go but they also did not like me going to the casinos to play in the tournaments. I had told them that i was participating in free poker tournaments. That I also played tournaments for money is something that I did not tell them. I can understand my parents not jumping for joy at the prospect of me doing this but I thought as long as my schoolwork does not suffer, what is the problem with me going out and gambling?

- at the time I was under the guidance/treatment of a psychiatrist. According to statements in the media I had to go there because I supposedly had a violent temper problem, that I was beating up my mother and my brothers, but nothing could be further from the truth. I was undergoing treatment at the psychiatrist, once every 5 weeks I had to go there, because I had stolen money from my mother and father and had lied about that. I used to lie about a lot of things in those days and I talked to the psychiatrist about that too.

- after 5 sessions, I was supposed to have the last session with him and my parents on June 14th 2005. The psychiatrist told my parents that I had finished the treatment and she was of the opinion that I have moved forward. She did say that she thought I am the kind of person that needs a clear structure. Joran says that he does not like psychiatrists and that he thinks it is a lot of nonsense, but hey, he had no choice but to go.

- it was one of the reasons my parents, when looking for a next school for me, opted for a small school with a lot of structure and guidance for me. After I had visited several universities with my mother in the US, they chose St. Leo's in Tampa Florida, also though partly because of the scholarship.

END CHAPTER 6
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« Reply #257 on: May 07, 2007, 10:00:42 PM »

Good evening
Finally caught up .. now gonna sit back and lurk.. Smile
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« Reply #258 on: May 07, 2007, 10:00:50 PM »

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DEEPAK 06/13/2005 STATEMENT
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During the conversation I had with him I had for one reason or another shot my mouth off and said something about the sporting shoes. The man asked me what I meant by sporting shoes. I then said to him that I was thinking about something unrelated/different.


I stand corrected...  Yapper's  nailed it
to add a little more from that statement
May 31 with Beth & company at the Holiday Inn
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I stood at one of the concrete beam/pillar in front of the lobby. The man who had driven the green Yaris called me to come over to where he was. I went over to him. The man was sitting in the car. The man asked me in Papiamentu whether or not the story we told was true. I said yes to him. During the conversation I had with him I had for one reason or another shot my mouth off and said something about the sporting shoes.


10 1/2 size shoe... where did that come from?   What size does Deepak wear??   Sorry Embarassed



Old Fart,
I post this at the risk of upsetting Spock who can't take any more shoe talk.  I'm sorry Spock and will gladly move on, just wanted to answer OF's Question.



Posted by Tamikosmom/Janet earlier this evening:
Mon May 07, 2007 6:06 pm    Post subject:    

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JORAN 08/08/2005 Dutch Interrigators Statement
(translated by Ramm at BFN)

We,

Jaquelline Josette de WINDT, head officer with the Korps Politie Aruba, attached to the section surveillance of Sint Nicolaas.

Antoon Ronanld de RUITER, sergeant of police in the Netherlands, region Utrecht, districht Utrecht South East and appointed by National Decision by the Governor number DWJZ 3473/05 dated July 27th 2005 as special temporary officer of the Korps Politie Aruba.

Clemens Johannes Maria BURGWAL, sergeant of police in the Netherlands, region Utrecht, districht Paardenveld and appointed by National Decision by the Governor number DWJZ 3473/05 dated July 27th 2005 as special temporary officer of the Korps Politie Aruba.

State the following.

On Monday August 8th 2005, at approximately 09.48 we, the reporting officers, questioned in the police station of Oranjestad in Aruba, the suspect

Joran Andreas Petrus VAN DER SLOOT
born on August 6th 1987 in the Netherlands and living at Montanja 19 in Aruba

for further information.
The interview was conducted by us, reporting officers de Windt and the Ruiter and in the control-room, I, reporting officer Burgwal followed the interview via an internally installed video-system. And by me, reporting officer Burgwal a summation was made regarding the interview.

For the description of the interview room and the control room I refer to a seperate police report made about this.

In the interview room was also present the lawyer of the suspect, named mr. O.R.G. Faarup.

Suspect made statements to questions put to him, in an abridged version, the now following:

Suspect was congratulated by the reporting officers for his birthday. He smiled.

Suspect was then informed that the District Attorney on Aruba had filed a deposition with the court with regard to extending so that the temporary arrest warrant would be extended to September 4th.

Suspect was onces again informed of the statements that were made by his friend Freddy and people close to Freddy.

He was also asked why his legal team was mis-informing the press with regard to the interviews in an appearant attempt to put the police in a bad light. In the press it was written that the lawyers were not given time to speak to the client and that on his birthday he was interrogated from the early morning to late at night.
The suspect did not answer.

The suspect was shown/informed that he had stated that he and the girl went for a walk. And that there was a statement of someone that saw Deepak Kalpoe's car at a location that was several hundred yards away from the Fishermans hut.
He was asked about the logic of this and other issues and whether he can explain why he was there with the other boys in that particular location.
The suspect did not respond.

He was again confronted with statements made by several of his intimate friends that he had screwed them/hung them out to dry by lying and having sexaul relations with the girlfriend of one of his friends. These boys say that he has been constantly fooling them and manipulating.
He was again confronted with the statement of the girl Martina, who was offered a beverage during the sexual relations that caused her lips to feel tingly.

The suspect did not respond.

After that there were several confrontations with regard to the date of giving statements by several witnesses, the omissions in the statements of the suspect and the omissions in the statements made by his fellow suspects and the timeline in which those statements were made.
The suspect did not respond.

Suspect was asked to take off one of his shoes. Suspect looked back and wanted to find support from his lawyer but his lawyer was not looking at him and was writing. He put it on the the table noisily/with a bang.

The reporting officers then asked him why he was wearing K-swiss shoes size 14 on the day in question when he now was wearing size 10.5 shoes.
After the suspect had put his shoe back on, I, reporting officer de Ruiter pressed down on the nose of the shoe and felt that the toes of the suspect fit straightly and properly in the shoe.

The suspect did not respond.

The interview was concluded at approxmimately 11.30.
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« Reply #259 on: May 07, 2007, 10:03:29 PM »

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Satish 6/24:
You ask me what I meant when I said to the police force Wednesday June 1, 2005: "then I saw this and I said to Deepak, Joran is crazy”, I can explain it following:
Joran and the missing girl that he just met that day was satisfying himself already with a French kiss with the girl. I found that normal and my brother did not indeed and told me that Joran was crazy
[/b]  So who said the "crazy" part?  Deepak or Satish?  



Satish 6/24:
On your question if during getting out of the car,were Joran and missing little girl entirely dressed, I can explain the following:
Joran and the missing girl had everything still on that they had when they got into the car.

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Satish 6/30:
On your question of when Deepak, Joran and I were with Natalee on, May 30, 2005, in the nighttime hours, wasn’t it too dark in the car for Joran to see the color of the missing girl’s panties, I can only answer this:
There was enough light in the car of Deepak. Joran must have taken off the clothing of the girl so that he could see the color of the panties she wore.
[/b] And an unconscious Natalee dressed herself again in the back seat before getting out of the car.

Satish 6/24:
We arrived at the lighthouse and the missing girl was sleeping already. The missing girl lay with her head on the lap of Joran. My brother asked Joran if the missing girl would still see the lighthouse or not. Joran said to my brother, "I do not think so"
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So Joran, being the true gentleman that he is, put Natalee's clothes back on her after he raped her. All in an enclosed car. Uh-HUH.

No sale. They were at VDS House. These statements are bad lies, unsupported and unsupportable.
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Natalee's family/friends still need our prayers.
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