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Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
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Reply #160 on:
May 07, 2007, 08:09:00 PM »
Quote from: "Anna"
Quote from: "robots"
well, i think he wears a size 14 ish
and i think he scrunched his toes to fit into a size 10.5
ALE should have checked to see if his HEAL was in the back of the shoe
they are INCOMPETANT
Did you ever read the article I posted from Jossy? The Dutch interrogator took his hand and felt to see if there was plenty of room for Joran's toes.
In the article I posted, it clearly states, if you would bother to read it, that it was one of the special Dutch interrogators that were sent to deal with just Joran and not ALE doing anything with this shoe business.
I really think he would have noticed if the toes were scrunched and the heel at the back, etc.
He manually confirmed that Joran was wearing a 10.5 in jail and had been for some time and that it was a very nice fit.
There is no way to scrunch toes that cannot be felt through the shoe and he took his own fingers and confirmed there was sufficient room at the end of the shoe for the toes.
It doesn't matter what we think, Joran was comfortably wearing a 10.5 with room to spare.
Or Jossy made the whole thing up.
Can't be both ways.
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yes, i read it
it could be the investigator was an idiot
i did not see where the investigator checked the HEAL
i can put on a size 15 and make my toes go right to the end
you look great, but youre being cranky
running quickly away from Anna
before she throws a SHOE at me
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Quote from: "Easywriter"
What I took away from the whole shoe size controversy was that ALE had a size 10.5 in their possession and Joran was claiming to wear a size 14. The Dutch cop called him on it and caught him in another lie. But, then what? Nothing as usual……
Riight..But Dompig announced to the world that Aruba was looking for a size 14
No, the investigators
asked him why he was wearing K-swiss shoes size 14 on the day in question.
They knew what shoes he wore on the day in question and must have had at least one of those shoes in their possession. Otherwise they would not have framed their question that way. They were looking for a reaction from him. By this time, he was angry and determined not to speak, but slammed his shoe on the table to just let them know he was angry.[/i]
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VANITY FAIR ARTICLE: “Wood found Cumpa, whose name turned out to be Carlos, in the yard. "He tells me that on that night, May 30, he couldn't sleep," Wood recalls. "It was 2:30 and it was so hot—he didn't have air-conditioning—he said, 'I got up, I told my wife I'm going to my boss's house,'" which was air-conditioned.
According to Carlos, while driving to Eric Mansur's home a little before three that morning, he took a shortcut, a dirt road through a vacant lot beside the Marriott. To his surprise, he found a car blocking the road. Beside the car were two large mounds of dirt. When he peered into the car, Carlos said, he recognized Joran and the Kalpoes. He said they covered their faces. He then drove on. [He] claimed he had seen Joran and the Kalpoes digging.
Could Joran have gone to the Racquet Club to dig up what he buried there the night before? - Perhaps the shoes.
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Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
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Quick ? for anyone...
Can Heavy Battery
charges also include
Vehicular Homocide?
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Quote from: "Easywriter"
What I took away from the whole shoe size controversy was that ALE had a size 10.5 in their possession and Joran was claiming to wear a size 14. The Dutch cop called him on it and caught him in another lie. But, then what? Nothing as usual……
Riight..But Dompig announced to the world that Aruba was looking for a size 14
Maybe Dompig should have checked to see what size Joran was really wearing like the Dutch guy did.
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Quote from: "Kermit"
VANITY FAIR ARTICLE: “Wood found Cumpa, whose name turned out to be Carlos, in the yard. "He tells me that on that night, May 30, he couldn't sleep," Wood recalls. "It was 2:30 and it was so hot—he didn't have air-conditioning—he said, 'I got up, I told my wife I'm going to my boss's house,'" which was air-conditioned.
According to Carlos, while driving to Eric Mansur's home a little before three that morning, he took a shortcut, a dirt road through a vacant lot beside the Marriott. To his surprise, he found a car blocking the road. Beside the car were two large mounds of dirt. When he peered into the car, Carlos said, he recognized Joran and the Kalpoes. He said they covered their faces. He then drove on. [He] claimed he had seen Joran and the Kalpoes digging.
Could Joran have gone to the Racquet Club to dig up what he buried there the night before? - Perhaps the shoes.
Or a body.
Beside the car were two large mounds of dirt.
While the term "large" is relative, this seems a lot of dirt in my interpretation for a pair of shoes.
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Quote from: "Kermit"
VANITY FAIR ARTICLE: “Wood found Cumpa, whose name turned out to be Carlos, in the yard. "He tells me that on that night, May 30, he couldn't sleep," Wood recalls. "It was 2:30 and it was so hot—he didn't have air-conditioning—he said, 'I got up, I told my wife I'm going to my boss's house,'" which was air-conditioned.
According to Carlos, while driving to Eric Mansur's home a little before three that morning, he took a shortcut, a dirt road through a vacant lot beside the Marriott. To his surprise, he found a car blocking the road. Beside the car were two large mounds of dirt. When he peered into the car, Carlos said, he recognized Joran and the Kalpoes. He said they covered their faces. He then drove on. [He] claimed he had seen Joran and the Kalpoes digging.
Could Joran have gone to the Racquet Club to dig up what he buried there the night before? - Perhaps the shoes.
He saw them at 2:30 am Monday...the night/early am Natalee was missing...not the next night.
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May 07, 2007, 08:15:23 PM »
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
What I took away from the whole shoe size controversy was that ALE had a size 10.5 in their possession and Joran was claiming to wear a size 14. The Dutch cop called him on it and caught him in another lie. But, then what? Nothing as usual……
Riight..But Dompig announced to the world that Aruba was looking for a size 14
Maybe Dompig should have checked to see what size Joran was really wearing like the Dutch guy did.
Maybe they had one shoe with evidence on it, and they wanted to find the other shoe. Perhaps it had even more evidence on it. Dompig needed to look like he was doing something, so he put out the APB for the size 14 shoe, mate to the one they already had.
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Reply #168 on:
May 07, 2007, 08:15:23 PM »
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
Quick ? for anyone...
Can Heavy Battery
charges also include
Vehicular Homocide?
I don't think so Carpe-... that sounds like fists to me.. or a bat.. or something used to dish out a beating..
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Picture by Claussen Investigators
That dirt looks mighty tuff to dig up.
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Time for me to cook the dinner for the hungry peeps around here. I'll be back...
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VANITY FAIR ARTICLE: “Wood found Cumpa, whose name turned out to be Carlos, in the yard. "He tells me that on that night, May 30, he couldn't sleep," Wood recalls. "It was 2:30 and it was so hot—he didn't have air-conditioning—he said, 'I got up, I told my wife I'm going to my boss's house,'" which was air-conditioned.
According to Carlos, while driving to Eric Mansur's home a little before three that morning, he took a shortcut, a dirt road through a vacant lot beside the Marriott. To his surprise, he found a car blocking the road. Beside the car were two large mounds of dirt. When he peered into the car, Carlos said, he recognized Joran and the Kalpoes. He said they covered their faces. He then drove on. [He] claimed he had seen Joran and the Kalpoes digging.
Could Joran have gone to the Racquet Club to dig up what he buried there the night before? - Perhaps the shoes.
I was referencing that Joran went to the Racquet Club the next evening and did the switcharoo with the tennis shoes, perhaps even digging them up if he had buried them the night before when the Gardner saw him and Deepak in the car at the Racquet Club.
He saw them at 2:30 am Monday...the night/early am Natalee was missing...not the next night.
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I have seen the car in the morning of 30 May of Sunday on Monday. I went to Lorena on Monday night, then I went to work, told that I saw a car standing along the way
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=271
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Didn't Deepak tell someone to ask Joran about his shoes?
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May 07, 2007, 08:21:08 PM »
Quote from: "Kermit"
Here's a comment about blood on a shoe, but there is no link and the comment is attributed to Beth: "I add this fact because Natalee’s mother was provided a positive statement that
there was blood on one of Joran’s tennis shoes.
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http://www.perspectives.com/forums/...915&forum_id=38
Kermit ... I have been search but I cannot find a credible quote that implies that the stain on the shoe was tested and ... it came back positive. However ... I did find a post that implied that the stain was tested positive for blood but ... the blood could not be associated with Natalee Holloway.
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TWITTY: You know Greta now that you mention it I was looking through my journal and there was an update from an FBI official and also from our family liaison that in one of Joran Van der Sloot's tennis shoes there was blood. I had written that down. I wish that I had been able to obtain more information as to what happened to that one shoe if that was truly blood in his shoe. You know Greta like I said we are just so limited in any type of information we can get.
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Sorry
Kermit
I understand what you meant now. I definately think they returned to the scene of some crime, with their little "walk" the next night.
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He [Joran] says he might have lost a pair of sneakers on the beach the night Natalee disappeared,
" said lead police investigator Roy Tromp. "That's what he claims in one of his many statements."
Tromp said the 17-year-old suspect described the shoes as white and blue and brand new.
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Lively Case Discussion #615 5/7 - 5/8/2007
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Reply #177 on:
May 07, 2007, 08:22:40 PM »
Quote from: "Rob"
Quote from: "carpe noctem"
Quick ? for anyone...
Can Heavy Battery
charges also include
Vehicular Homocide?
I don't think so Carpe-... that sounds like fists to me.. or a bat.. or something used to dish out a beating..
one of my theories is pretty graphic but invloves using his foot to finish her or attempt to quiet her/knock her out at the sloot dump
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May 07, 2007, 08:22:43 PM »
Quote from: "Easywriter"
Quote from: "*******"
Quote from: "Easywriter"
What I took away from the whole shoe size controversy was that ALE had a size 10.5 in their possession and Joran was claiming to wear a size 14. The Dutch cop called him on it and caught him in another lie. But, then what? Nothing as usual……
Riight..But Dompig announced to the world that Aruba was looking for a size 14
Maybe Dompig should have checked to see what size Joran was really wearing like the Dutch guy did.
You would think after all his training with the FBi,ALE,KLPD and in Israel he wouldn't make that mistake.
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May 07, 2007, 08:23:02 PM »
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Sorry
Kermit
I understand what you meant now. I definately think they returned to the scene of some crime, with their little "walk" the next night.
Yeah I agree with you.
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