Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007

[Elaine]

I posted on A Dutch web site that Joran is guilty, and that he did something to Natalee..... Here is the response I got

Responses Elaine, if you this way certain weet that he is guilty, for which come outside you then not with the underlying facts to. Provisionally there are no lijk, no consent. Joran can be, however, suspicious, but that not yet means that he is guilty. Therefore if you what weet to solve this matter..........

the page is all Dutch... I translated the above so you could see what they said to me...this was the site http://josvanvliet.web-log.nl/josvanvliet/2007/04/laat_van_der_sl.html#comment-19220990

[Dayhiker]

Didn't we hear that Joran was banned from one bar for having sex in the restroom with some local girl?

Does anyone remember who and what bar?

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That was the Bahia and it might have been with Aline.  I think it was right around the time when he was with that blonde girl staying at the Marriott.

That's where I remember, too.

He's pretty much an animal.

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Where are the lessons he has supposedly learned? Once a sociopath always a sociopath, huh? If they don't pack him away in a cell he will only become emboldened and kill again.

[Tibrogargan]

Pssssssst - Klaas   Need to adjust the date in your post above

[klaasend]

O/T - CBB , I figured out the white background problem.  If you  are creating frames in photoshop and save as a PSD, they will end up with a white background.  If you save as a GIF they won't.  I don't know why  

[Elaine]

I posted on A Dutch web site that Joran is guilty, and that he did something to Natalee..... Here is the response I got

Responses Elaine, if you this way certain weet that he is guilty, for which come outside you then not with the underlying facts to. Provisionally there are no lijk, no consent. Joran can be, however, suspicious, but that not yet means that he is guilty. Therefore if you what weet to solve this matter..........

the page is all Dutch... I translated the above so you could see what they said to me...this was the site http://josvanvliet.web-log.nl/josvanvliet/2007/04/laat_van_der_sl.html#comment-19220990

They see him as "suspicious, but that doesn't mean he is guilty..umhmmmm

[klaasend]

Pssssssst - Klaas   Need to adjust the date in your post above

Thanks Tibro - August 2006, not 2007

[Dayhiker]

I posted on A Dutch web site that Joran is guilty, and that he did something to Natalee..... Here is the response I got

Responses Elaine, if you this way certain weet that he is guilty, for which come outside you then not with the underlying facts to. Provisionally there are no lijk, no consent. Joran can be, however, suspicious, but that not yet means that he is guilty. Therefore if you what weet to solve this matter..........

the page is all Dutch... I translated the above so you could see what they said to me...this was the site http://josvanvliet.web-log.nl/josvanvliet/2007/04/laat_van_der_sl.html#comment-19220990

They see him as "suspicious, but that doesn't mean he is guilty..umhmmmm

What does "weet" mean?

[Elaine]

LMAO, I had to read back after I posted, and saw this now..ROFL  

[yapperz1]

Great pic of Paulypuss Klaas.

Elaine, I honestly believe there are some people in this world who even if they witnessed him 'doing something bad' to Natalee or anyone else would still state he is not guilty but only suspicious.  

[robots]

i like sex
i like shoes

but i really like sexy shoes

     

       

   

[Elaine]

I posted on A Dutch web site that Joran is guilty, and that he did something to Natalee..... Here is the response I got

Responses Elaine, if you this way certain weet that he is guilty, for which come outside you then not with the underlying facts to. Provisionally there are no lijk, no consent. Joran can be, however, suspicious, but that not yet means that he is guilty. Therefore if you what weet to solve this matter..........

the page is all Dutch... I translated the above so you could see what they said to me...this was the site http://josvanvliet.web-log.nl/josvanvliet/2007/04/laat_van_der_sl.html#comment-19220990

They see him as "suspicious, but that doesn't mean he is guilty..umhmmmm

What does "weet" mean?

Babelfish helped me out there, so I am not sure, lol

[Lala'sMom]

So where are we tonight?  Did someone say sex?  I knew I needed those muffs.  

Hey Tibro, what the temp in Australia?  Is that right or should I be saying some other place, you don't really live on the continent do you?  I seem to have confused myself on that one. Help me out here.

[Elaine]

Great pic of Paulypuss Klaas.

Elaine, I honestly believe there are some people in this world who even if they witnessed him 'doing something bad' to Natalee or anyone else would still state he is not guilty but only suspicious.  

it is maddening

[Dayhiker]

In his book so far Joran has told us:

1- He is a pathological liar.
2- He thinks he can deal with his lies better than a shrink.
3- He lies to his parents and sneaks out of the house.
4- He is underage and drinks whiskey and coke.
5- He is underage and likes to gamble.
6- He lies to tourist girls that he is a tourist.
7- He cheats on his girlfriends.
8- He expects his girlfriends to cheat on him.

Did I miss anything?

[Buckeye]

Was reading around on sociopaths and found this:

Sociopaths usually do not do well in psychotherapy and psychiatric care. The best way to manage psychopaths is through the criminal justice system which compels right behavior through external controls. On a personal level the best way to deal with sociopaths is with firm limits and refusal to cooperate with their schemes and manipulations. This may mean leaving or severely limiting the kind of relationship which you have with them.

Makes you wonder if the psychiatrist told Joran and his parents that the best place for him was jail.  Very controlled enviroment.  hmmmm

[Dayhiker]

Great pic of Paulypuss Klaas.

Elaine, I honestly believe there are some people in this world who even if they witnessed him 'doing something bad' to Natalee or anyone else would still state he is not guilty but only suspicious.  

it is maddening

The Dutch didn't get the story until deVries aired it a year and a half after Natalee disappeared. They have a lot of catching up to do.

[Tiger]

CBB,you looked great on Elton's back.It is simple,a bunch are guilty of several crimes,that's it.Friday night a couple teens gave my son a show in the portapotty,Compliments of Mishy(the rhyme)If the potty is rocking,don't come knocking.I don't want to know more and I do not need to be written up.

[Tibrogargan]

So where are we tonight?  Did someone say sex?  I knew I needed those muffs.  

Hey Tibro, what the temp in Australia?  Is that right or should I be saying some other place, you don't really live on the continent do you?  I seem to have confused myself on that one. Help me out here.

Near enough Lala's      I know what you mean.
Temp where I live is about 65 with sunny day and a  cold wind.
They are building on a new sub-division behind us and I am going to lose sight of "my" tree.    First thing I could see as I looked out my back/laundry door, but not for much longer.

[Elaine]

Great pic of Paulypuss Klaas.

Elaine, I honestly believe there are some people in this world who even if they witnessed him 'doing something bad' to Natalee or anyone else would still state he is not guilty but only suspicious.  

it is maddening

The Dutch didn't get the story until deVries aired it a year and a half after Natalee disappeared. They have a lot of catching up to do.

I am hoping he is not done with this story yet, DeVries

[Elaine]

Was reading around on sociopaths and found this:

Sociopaths usually do not do well in psychotherapy and psychiatric care. The best way to manage psychopaths is through the criminal justice system which compels right behavior through external controls. On a personal level the best way to deal with sociopaths is with firm limits and refusal to cooperate with their schemes and manipulations. This may mean leaving or severely limiting the kind of relationship which you have with them.

Makes you wonder if the psychiatrist told Joran and his parents that the best place for him was jail.  Very controlled enviroment.  hmmmm

If they didn't say it yet, they should.