Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007

[Rob]

I don't know what to make of this girl...   some of it looks shot at Moomba.

http://dabble.com/node/8589593

[Observer]

*******,
It doesn't really matter how tall Joran is as relates to this crime but I believe n the photo you posted, he is actually sitting in Koen's lap is why he is so much taller.   ******* seems to think Anita is also 6'1" as she is about the same height as Koen compared to Joran. Always touchy feely with the guys, ya know.  Not that there's anything wrong with that!

But this photo shows them the same height.  Can't tell from photos much.



Like the shoes, it is hard to tell from photos unless you have an known point of origin or reference.

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Anna I beleave your perception is way off. Your comments and eye rolls made me chuckle. Koen and Anita are not the same height. Neither is deepak and satish..Not even close..You are looking at one photo..You should look at the 4 photos of them together to draw that conclusion...

I looked at every pic on the Internet of Koen and Joran before I made that assumption. Your right it is not Important. I beleave we were trying to see how tall Koen is to see if he might wear a size 14 shoe  

[Anna]

Anna..LOL!! Koen is much taller than Anita..

And that's Freddie and not Deepak in that photo, too!  

Edited to say Freddie and Deepak, not Satish.  

They all look alike and are all VERY short.

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[San]

Joran = 6.5 or 6.4
Koen = 6.1 or 6.1 3/4  
Freddy = 5.5
Deepak = 5.4
Paulus = 6.1 or 6.2
Anita = 5.5

Now I'm running

[Observer]

Anna..LOL!! Koen is much taller than Anita..

And that's Freddie and not Deepak in that photo, too!  

LOL!! Jesus Anna!! WHere did I say that was satish?  Why are you rolling eyes and arguing?

[klaasend]

Evening Monkeys

About the search at the VDS dump..

In this video you hear Orando Salinas reporting from Aruba about the dogs used in the search. He plainly states he heard some of them bark. Cadaver/drug/search dogs DO NOT ALERT unless they detect something.
IMO they found something there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv4-VB_FvaY&mode=related&search=

1:05 into the video is where he starts talking about the dogs

Yapperz,
I'd be very surprised if the cadaver dog and whatever the other one is bark to indicate a hit.  Most of them that I have seen work just sit down.  Or paw or do some silent indication of a hit depending on how they were trained but I don't think many of them bark.

Of course, these are Dutch dogs and might react differently or have been trained differently but most working dogs don't bark especially if hunting fugitives for instance, would alert them.

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Training cadaver dogs:

http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/forensics/k9/5.html

(snipped)
When on a case, Anderson takes the dog out and looks for specific behaviors that indicate the dog has found the target scent.  "I expect a bark.  If I don't have a bark, he's not on the target.

[Observer]

Joran = 6.5 or 6.4
Koen = 6.1 or 6.1 3/4  
Freddy = 5.5
Deepak = 5.4
Paulus = 6.1 or 6.2
Anita = 5.5

Now I'm running

I think thats somewhat accurate.. Satish is at least a few inches taller than Deepak..

[Easywriter]

Fires to the west, fires to the east and tropical storms in the ocean in early May.....  What's next?  Brimstone and plagues?  

[Easywriter]

I forgot about F5 tornadoes and floods!!!!!    

[Anna]

*******,
It doesn't really matter how tall Joran is as relates to this crime but I believe n the photo you posted, he is actually sitting in Koen's lap is why he is so much taller.   ******* seems to think Anita is also 6'1" as she is about the same height as Koen compared to Joran. Always touchy feely with the guys, ya know.  Not that there's anything wrong with that!

But this photo shows them the same height.  Can't tell from photos much.



Like the shoes, it is hard to tell from photos unless you have an known point of origin or reference.

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Anna I beleave your perception is way off. Your comments and eye rolls made me chuckle. Koen and Anita are not the same height. Neither is deepak and satish..Not even close..You are looking at one photo..You should look at the 4 photos of them together to draw that conclusion...

I looked at every pic on the Internet of Koen and Joran before I made that assumption. Your right it is not Important. I beleave we were trying to see how tall Koen is to see if he might wear a size 14 shoe  

There is not a foot of height difference in Koen and Anita.  We know Anita and Greta are close in height.  Koen is maybe 4-6" taller than Anita.  We know Greta is is the 5' to 5'2" range so can assume that Anita is also as they appear the same height in several photos.

I have a hard time getting Koen to 6'1" based on knowing Greta's height and Anita's to be very close to that and Koen maybe 4-6" (certainly not a foot!) taller than Anita.

*******, I have looked at photos all over the internet, gone through all the night club albums and all that as well.  I just can't get Koen that tall is all.  If you can, fine but I don't see it.

And you won't get me to talk about shoes.  I don't want to have to eat any bugs!  Those are for you know who!

 

[Rob]

Here is a video that looks right off of Bahia 2nd floor in to downtown.

http://dabble.com/node/9047689

[Anna]

Joran = 6.5 or 6.4
Koen = 6.1 or 6.1 3/4  
Freddy = 5.5
Deepak = 5.4
Paulus = 6.1 or 6.2
Anita = 5.5

Now I'm running

No need to run, San.  

I'd put them  

Joran = 6.3
Koen = 5.10-5.11
Freddie= 5.5
Deepak 5.5
Satish- 5.7
Paulus = 5.11-6.0
Anita= 5.3

[yapperz1]

Thanks Klaas for the post about the dogs & them barking as a sign of being on the target

[Anna]

Evening Monkeys

About the search at the VDS dump..

In this video you hear Orando Salinas reporting from Aruba about the dogs used in the search. He plainly states he heard some of them bark. Cadaver/drug/search dogs DO NOT ALERT unless they detect something.
IMO they found something there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv4-VB_FvaY&mode=related&search=

1:05 into the video is where he starts talking about the dogs

Yapperz,
I'd be very surprised if the cadaver dog and whatever the other one is bark to indicate a hit.  Most of them that I have seen work just sit down.  Or paw or do some silent indication of a hit depending on how they were trained but I don't think many of them bark.

Of course, these are Dutch dogs and might react differently or have been trained differently but most working dogs don't bark especially if hunting fugitives for instance, would alert them.

.

Training cadaver dogs:

http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/forensics/k9/5.html

(snipped)
When on a case, Anderson takes the dog out and looks for specific behaviors that indicate the dog has found the target scent.  "I expect a bark.  If I don't have a bark, he's not on the target.

Well, good!  Maybe the barking means something then.  I have never seen one bark but mostly have seen tracker/search and rescue and not cadaver.  Guess cadaver dogs don't have to be quiet as they are not likely to tip off their target.

I do know if they get a hit, it can be used as evidence in court along with their accuracy rating.  At least in this country although there are a couple of cases filed in court against handlers or have been in the past oddly enough.

Hope it meant something and not just lunch time!

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[klaasend]

Koen & Freddy

[San]

Joran = 6.5 or 6.4
Koen = 6.1 or 6.1 3/4  
Freddy = 5.5
Deepak = 5.4
Paulus = 6.1 or 6.2
Anita = 5.5

Now I'm running

No need to run, San.  

I'd put them  

Joran = 6.3
Koen = 5.10-5.11
Freddie= 5.5
Deepak 5.5
Satish- 5.7
Paulus = 5.11-6.0
Anita= 5.3

Here is a good picture to compare Joran and Freddy.  We both agree that Freddy is 5.5.  Joran is leaning in this picture and Freddy is standing straight.

[BTgirl]

Koen & Freddy

I think what always look so evil to me about Freddy are his eyes and the expression he generally has in his pics.

[klaasend]

Joran & Koen

[Frijole]

Koen & Freddy

I think what always look so evil to me about Freddy are his eyes and the expression he generally has in his pics.

I agree... he has an evil look.  Like a gangsta.

[San]

Koen & Freddy

I think what always look so evil to me about Freddy are his eyes and the expression he generally has in his pics.

I agree... he has an evil look.  Like a gangsta.

That's because he wants to be like his big brother Ernesto.