Lively Case Discussion #616 5/8 - 5/10/2007

[Anna]

I have to laugh when I read this:

- then talks about Ruth having lost money and wanting to win it back at the black jack table. Natalee did not play black jack, she was walking between her friends and talking constantly on a cellphone. At 20.40 hours Natalee starts drinking a vodka Mixer.

What happened to he won Natalee money back for her and she called him her lucky charm .

Again he says Natalee is drinking and he gives exact times and knows what she is drinking.

So far we have two different drinks he names.

Good Morning, Monkeys.

Busy day here so will be working and lurking, mostly lurking but I had to comment that we see a WATER BOTTLE in front of Natalee for most of that video.

Joran must have remembered that suddenly and so he changed to a clear drink.  I guess he expects us to believe Natalee poured vodka into her plastic water bottle.

I know she had drinks but not all kids just go wild when exposed to booze.  Mine are of age now and can do as they please.  I drink socially and do NOT think it is morally wrong.  I have never told them it was wrong, bad for them or anything really negative about drinking.  One of mine drinks socially and two are tee totalers or whatever you call people who will not touch alcohol.  I wish the middle one WOULD so he might loosen up and stop with that vegan crap all the time!

Sporter forgets we saw the video and those girls were behaving perfectly. Odd for someone so drunk. It was his own father hitting on those girls not the other way around.   And if Natalee was on a cell phone, it was so brief we are not even sure if she is talking or pushing back her hair!

Joran did tell the truth once in that interview and that was when he said he lies all the time and is still lying today because he is a liar.

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[Tamikosmom]

Tamikosmom-
Is anyone using this as a signature line?"No man has a good enough memory to make a successful liar" ... Abraham Lincoln
I know I've seen it before.If not,could I borrow it and use it?

Go for it!

[San]

Tamikosmom-
Is anyone using this as a signature line?"No man has a good enough memory to make a successful liar" ... Abraham Lincoln
I know I've seen it before.If not,could I borrow it and use it?

That is a good line GEL.

[Rob]

Morning San and all. If I want and account of what Natalee was doing that weekend I won't get it from a self-admitted pathological liar. Read between the lines and all Joran is doing is trying to plant seeds of doubt. That's what liars and defense attorneys who handle liars do.

I agree.  But it is so unbelievable to read this crap that I have to laugh at him.  He went on that interview he did like he was Joe Cool.  He is a moron.

This is what you call trying to have it both ways. He wants everybody to think she was drunk as a goat, but wait til the part when she leaves the bar. Then he will change his tune because fingering her when she was impaired by alcohol is rape.

We saw him change his tune on that one already, as did his bucketmouth lawyer. According Joran the only time she wasn't drunk out of her mind was when she left the bar with him.

Dayhiker- Joran looks like a flaccid douche bag to me.

Sorry to insult douche bags.

[BTgirl]

Dayhiker- Joran looks like a flaccid douche bag to me.

Sorry to insult douche bags.

     

[klaasend]

[San]

Morning San and all. If I want and account of what Natalee was doing that weekend I won't get it from a self-admitted pathological liar. Read between the lines and all Joran is doing is trying to plant seeds of doubt. That's what liars and defense attorneys who handle liars do.

I agree.  But it is so unbelievable to read this crap that I have to laugh at him.  He went on that interview he did like he was Joe Cool.  He is a moron.

This is what you call trying to have it both ways. He wants everybody to think she was drunk as a goat, but wait til the part when she leaves the bar. Then he will change his tune because fingering her when she was impaired by alcohol is rape.

We saw him change his tune on that one already, as did his bucketmouth lawyer. According Joran the only time she wasn't drunk out of her mind was when she left the bar with him.

Exactly.

[Tamikosmom]

Tamikosmom,

Is the date of On The Record/Greta quote correct?

It should be 2006 ...

[Rob]

Dayhiker- Joran looks like a flaccid douche bag to me.

Sorry to insult douche bags.

     

That was the cleaned up version BT.  

[Peaches]

Dayhiker- Joran looks like a flaccid douche bag to me.

Sorry to insult douche bags.

     

Brings to mind a bumper sticker I saw the other day.

John (flag here) Kerry
What a douche

[greeneyedlady]

Tamikosmom-
Is anyone using this as a signature line?"No man has a good enough memory to make a successful liar" ... Abraham Lincoln
I know I've seen it before.If not,could I borrow it and use it?

Go for it!

Thanks and BTW-I love your posts,they always have the information I seem to be looking for st the time.

[Anna]

Tamikosmom-
Is anyone using this as a signature line?"No man has a good enough memory to make a successful liar" ... Abraham Lincoln
I know I've seen it before.If not,could I borrow it and use it?

Go for it!

Yep, you can have anything in your sig line and we change them all the time.  It's OK if two have the same one, etc.  Just so it isn't obscene or hate message or something like that.

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[Easywriter]

Easy-I still haven't got an answer for who Andre(s) Meneses is...this is what I got so far:
MF wrote:
Wow, finally someone noticed that there were a lot of other persons interrogated/interviewed by the ALE and not one but many times. That the HMI only used selected parts of mistranslated PV's says a lot.

GEL wrote:
Do you know who this person is and why he was questioned so many times?

Charlierat wrote:
What's the matter? Your MonKKKey sources run dry? I couldn't help but notice that the topic of discussion over at the Klan site is the significance of Meneses' detention.

I guess since Jossy doesn't know, you expect MF to fill in the blanks for you.

They obviously do not know their heads from their a$$holes, but thanks for giving it a shot.

None of those people have a real interest in the case of Natalee Holloway, they just want to bash someone, anyone.

Yes that's true.Maybe they would answer if someone else that was liked over there asked..lol..I'm not very well liked there.Here's a post from frazerclan,didn't know I was part of a band.

frazerclan wrote:
Introducing that hot new band, The Derailers:

1. Doc
2. Awabbi
3. all10suspects
4. Libster
5. Wildcat
6. plhtx1
7. Chillin
8. Gel
9. Kimmy27
10. Janee
11. Dragon
12. Trixie

plus, we are taking nominations........

If that is their chit list then it isn't a bad list to be on. lol  Some of those people at RU and FOB are crazier than Joran!  

[Dayhiker]

Dayhiker- Joran looks like a flaccid douche bag to me.

Sorry to insult douche bags.

       

[Rob]

Dayhiker- Joran looks like a flaccid douche bag to me.

Sorry to insult douche bags.

     

Brings to mind a bumper sticker I saw the other day.

John (flag here) Kerry
What a douche

[San]

I have to laugh when I read this:

- then talks about Ruth having lost money and wanting to win it back at the black jack table. Natalee did not play black jack, she was walking between her friends and talking constantly on a cellphone. At 20.40 hours Natalee starts drinking a vodka Mixer.

What happened to he won Natalee money back for her and she called him her lucky charm .

Again he says Natalee is drinking and he gives exact times and knows what she is drinking.

So far we have two different drinks he names.

Good Morning, Monkeys.

Busy day here so will be working and lurking, mostly lurking but I had to comment that we see a WATER BOTTLE in front of Natalee for most of that video.

Joran must have remembered that suddenly and so he changed to a clear drink.  I guess he expects us to believe Natalee poured vodka into her plastic water bottle.

I know she had drinks but not all kids just go wild when exposed to booze.  Mine are of age now and can do as they please.  I drink socially and do NOT think it is morally wrong.  I have never told them it was wrong, bad for them or anything really negative about drinking.  One of mine drinks socially and two are tee totalers or whatever you call people who will not touch alcohol.  I wish the middle one WOULD so he might loosen up and stop with that vegan crap all the time!

Sporter forgets we saw the video and those girls were behaving perfectly. Odd for someone so drunk. It was his own father hitting on those girls not the other way around.   And if Natalee was on a cell phone, it was so brief we are not even sure if she is talking or pushing back her hair!

Joran did tell the truth once in that interview and that was when he said he lies all the time and is still lying today because he is a liar.

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You're right Anna it was Paulus the perve hitting on young kids.

Joran knows the drinks but forgot his father was sitting at the table.

[greeneyedlady]

Tamikosmom-
Is anyone using this as a signature line?"No man has a good enough memory to make a successful liar" ... Abraham Lincoln
I know I've seen it before.If not,could I borrow it and use it?

That is a good line GEL.

It certainly is,San.

[greeneyedlady]

Easy-I still haven't got an answer for who Andre(s) Meneses is...this is what I got so far:
MF wrote:
Wow, finally someone noticed that there were a lot of other persons interrogated/interviewed by the ALE and not one but many times. That the HMI only used selected parts of mistranslated PV's says a lot.

GEL wrote:
Do you know who this person is and why he was questioned so many times?

Charlierat wrote:
What's the matter? Your MonKKKey sources run dry? I couldn't help but notice that the topic of discussion over at the Klan site is the significance of Meneses' detention.

I guess since Jossy doesn't know, you expect MF to fill in the blanks for you.

They obviously do not know their heads from their a$$holes, but thanks for giving it a shot.

None of those people have a real interest in the case of Natalee Holloway, they just want to bash someone, anyone.

Yes that's true.Maybe they would answer if someone else that was liked over there asked..lol..I'm not very well liked there.Here's a post from frazerclan,didn't know I was part of a band.

frazerclan wrote:
Introducing that hot new band, The Derailers:

1. Doc
2. Awabbi
3. all10suspects
4. Libster
5. Wildcat
6. plhtx1
7. Chillin
8. Gel
9. Kimmy27
10. Janee
11. Dragon
12. Trixie

plus, we are taking nominations........

If that is their chit list then it isn't a bad list to be on. lol  Some of those people at RU and FOB are crazier than Joran!  

   

[San]

Tamikosmom-
Is anyone using this as a signature line?"No man has a good enough memory to make a successful liar" ... Abraham Lincoln
I know I've seen it before.If not,could I borrow it and use it?

Go for it!

Yep, you can have anything in your sig line and we change them all the time.  It's OK if two have the same one, etc.  Just so it isn't obscene or hate message or something like that.

.

But if it is hate towards the Sloots it's OK

[Dayhiker]

Sporter forgets we saw the video and those girls were behaving perfectly. Odd for someone so drunk.  

Yep. Hardly the drunk girl Joran makes her out to be. Sitting on a stool behaving herself drinking water, not even gambling like the rest of them.

Joran is so FOS it's coming out his ears.