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« Reply #200 on: July 09, 2011, 02:33:21 PM »

30 minutes ago, on HLN, Jane Valez said 99% of the anger is over, except for a few wing nuts.

I resent that, plus, she is just plain wrong. If I wasn't angry, I would not be signing petitions, researching legal issues, contact state officials, on and on.

It seems like every time she comes on she says something stupid and I don't know why. Vinnie Politan tries to coral her, but he's a nice guy, trying to walk a tight rope, so he can't just say, "Jane, you don't know what you're talking about."

Whew!   

Jane calling a wingnut a wingnut.... so terribly redundant. She needs to sit down, stfu, and have a nice carrot.

 
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« Reply #201 on: July 09, 2011, 02:33:41 PM »

30 minutes ago, on HLN, Jane Velez said 99% of the anger is over, except for a few wing nuts.

I resent that, plus, she is just plain wrong. If I wasn't angry, I would not be signing petitions, researching legal issues, contact state officials, on and on.

It seems like every time she comes on she says something stupid and I don't know why. Vinnie Politan tries to coral her, but he's a nice guy, trying to walk a tight rope, so he can't just say, "Jane, you don't know what you're talking about."

Whew!   


There is a thing called free speech in this country. The MSM does not tell us when to begin or stop our outrage. Unlike the MSM, this is not about ratings. This is about justice for little Caylee, who got none from a Ship of Fools.

The anger we have is not to attack jurors physically, it is it get justice and be pissed that people charged with that duty did not feel it was their job to do so.

JVM can put a sock in it. Go about your sensationsit coverage of the next case ... WE THE PEOPLE will work for Justice for Caylee.

Right on!!!



Or it could be write on too!!
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« Reply #202 on: July 09, 2011, 02:39:14 PM »

http://nowscape.com/fija/_coord.htm

FIJA STATE COORDINATORS AND CONTACTS

FLORIDA *Bob Matthews (904) 489-4898  
      14888 SW 111th St.  
      Dunnelon, FL 34432  
 
     Ken Wise    (813)239-9557  
     Jon Asfour    (904)378-6370  
     James M. Ray  (305)667-2281  
     Michael Holland  (904)375-6121  
     Dr. Bruce Vinikas (407)869-9900

What are these for???

The dude that was arrested during jury selection was handing out FIJA pamphlets.

I was thinking that after the post that I read earlier about FIJA.
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« Reply #203 on: July 09, 2011, 02:40:15 PM »

30 minutes ago, on HLN, Jane Velez said 99% of the anger is over, except for a few wing nuts.

I resent that, plus, she is just plain wrong. If I wasn't angry, I would not be signing petitions, researching legal issues, contact state officials, on and on.

It seems like every time she comes on she says something stupid and I don't know why. Vinnie Politan tries to coral her, but he's a nice guy, trying to walk a tight rope, so he can't just say, "Jane, you don't know what you're talking about."

Whew!   


There is a thing called free speech in this country. The MSM does not tell us when to begin or stop our outrage. Unlike the MSM, this is not about ratings. This is about justice for little Caylee, who got none from a Ship of Fools.

The anger we have is not to attack jurors physically, it is it get justice and be pissed that people charged with that duty did not feel it was their job to do so.

JVM can put a sock in it. Go about your sensationsit coverage of the next case ... WE THE PEOPLE will work for Justice for Caylee.

Right on!!!



Or it could be write on too!!


I agree. At the bottom of my business cards is printed, "The write word can make a difference."
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« Reply #204 on: July 09, 2011, 02:41:43 PM »

Their a fb page, that is trying to stop the Caylee's Law.
Call team casey anthony..........

That won't last long. 
I'm got a feeling,  authorities might want to look at ALL these ppl.
 
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« Reply #205 on: July 09, 2011, 02:45:43 PM »

Their a fb page, that is trying to stop the Caylee's Law.
Call team casey anthony..........

That won't last long. 
I'm got a feeling,  authorities might want to look at ALL these ppl.
 

It looks like they are going to get 'rolled on'

Should Florida pass 'Caylee's Law,' making failure to report a missing child a felony?

Yes (91%)

No (9%)

http://www.cfnews13.com/
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« Reply #206 on: July 09, 2011, 02:48:50 PM »

30 minutes ago, on HLN, Jane Velez said 99% of the anger is over, except for a few wing nuts.

I resent that, plus, she is just plain wrong. If I wasn't angry, I would not be signing petitions, researching legal issues, contact state officials, on and on.

It seems like every time she comes on she says something stupid and I don't know why. Vinnie Politan tries to coral her, but he's a nice guy, trying to walk a tight rope, so he can't just say, "Jane, you don't know what you're talking about."

Whew!   

There is a thing called free speech in this country. The MSM does not tell us when to begin or stop our outrage. Unlike the MSM, this is not about ratings. This is about justice for little Caylee, who got none from a Ship of Fools.

The anger we have is not to attack jurors physically, it is it get justice and be pissed that people charged with that duty did not feel it was their job to do so.

JVM can put a sock in it. Go about your sensationsit coverage of the next case ... WE THE PEOPLE will work for Justice for Caylee.


It would appear to me that these 12 jurors who did not learn how to connect the dots in kindergarden are the types of people manufacturers have in mind when they put labels on my products like my hair dryer that says do not use in shower or my hot iron that says do not insert in any orifices, now I know there are really people out there who need these type of instructions, too bad the judge didn't realize that as well. JMO
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« Reply #207 on: July 09, 2011, 02:50:21 PM »

Their a fb page, that is trying to stop the Caylee's Law.
Call team casey anthony..........

That won't last long. 
I'm got a feeling,  authorities might want to look at ALL these ppl.
 

It looks like they are going to get 'rolled on'

Should Florida pass 'Caylee's Law,' making failure to report a missing child a felony?

Yes (91%)

No (9%)

http://www.cfnews13.com/

Btw, if you find it please don't post on it...
Might get a virus, plus someone just wants it in the news..

Their's not one good reason NOT to want it passed.

In less you plan on killing/selling your kids or just plain out right don't want to watch them all the time.....
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« Reply #208 on: July 09, 2011, 02:52:44 PM »

I have one more comment of the day Smile

If Michael, supposedly, the father of Caylee Marie, (according, to claims from the new Grandma) if he supported his
Daughter, we may not be in this mess.  There are "two people" who make a baby, and the second one (if it is him), is at fault, too.

Caylee was a year and half, when Michael passed away, he had plenty of time to fight for his daughter in court, if he believed
he was her father.  The new grandma could and should have insisted that he pay child support, or she could have started a little savings for the child.

Please, remember, (hate me if you must), but their was a second person and that was the father and his mother who knew and
Did nothing to help Caylee.  IMO


Did she get the dna test yet? What was her name i want to do some of my own research

Do you mean the new grandma?  She claims that Caylee may  is her grand daughter?  A photo of Mr. Duggan is posted next to
Caylee.  I apologize if this has already been posted.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/06/28/caylee-anthony-s-daddy-solving-the-riddle.html


Is This Caylee's Daddy?

Diane Dimond

The great mystery of the Casey Anthony trial: Who fathered the 2-year-old she’s accused of murdering? Diane Dimond reveals the person whose DNA may finally solve the riddle.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/06/28/caylee-anthony-s-daddy-solving-the-riddle.html
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« Reply #209 on: July 09, 2011, 02:57:03 PM »

Cindy Anthony's book company - I have heard unconfirmed reports it is going to be Simon & Schuster

http://www.simonandschuster.com/about/contact_us


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« Reply #210 on: July 09, 2011, 03:02:23 PM »

Have a good day Monkey's,

I am off the puter, I can not do two things at once Smile 

Vinnie Politan always reminds us to hug the kids, good, hug the kids.  I find it is more important to watch our words to the kids.
They remember what was said and how it was used in what context.  IMO
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« Reply #211 on: July 09, 2011, 03:02:48 PM »

I have one more comment of the day Smile

If Michael, supposedly, the father of Caylee Marie, (according, to claims from the new Grandma) if he supported his
Daughter, we may not be in this mess.  There are "two people" who make a baby, and the second one (if it is him), is at fault, too.

Caylee was a year and half, when Michael passed away, he had plenty of time to fight for his daughter in court, if he believed
he was her father.  The new grandma could and should have insisted that he pay child support, or she could have started a little savings for the child.

Please, remember, (hate me if you must), but their was a second person and that was the father and his mother who knew and
Did nothing to help Caylee.  IMO


As many people as Casey slept around with I would imagine she didn't tell him. She was engaged to Jesse at the time and had him believing he was the father until the DNA test. I would guess he didn't know.
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« Reply #212 on: July 09, 2011, 03:04:43 PM »

The failure to understand or follow jury instructions is NOT jury nullification PER SE.  Jury nullification is much more than not following the rules. It is the conscious decision that the law is that the person is guilty, that the state has proved their case and yet, you find the law objectionable and therefore, acquit. In this case the jury has said that they did not feel the prosecution proved their case. They believed that there had to be a CAUSE of death proven. This was a mistake or failure to listen to the instructions on their part - not a thought out decision that the law was objectionable.  Therefore, it was NOT jury nullification. It was pure stupidity.

Currently, there is almost no jurisdiction you can argue jury nullification in to the jury. The courts have repeatedly ruled that the jury may not be told about being able to nullify. The simple fact is, however, jury nullification is and was designed to be, the last protection of the people from unjust government.  Remember too that this was not a case of anti death penalty since the jury had the right to give the sentencing recommendation to the court and knew this.

I know that many of you feel that this is a case of JN. I just really do not see it. I really do not believe that the jury gave enough thought to the verdict and the law to make that choice. I really really think it was pure and simply that they did not want to do the job and wanted to go home. I think a close second is that the jury was "gotten to" somehow.
My post was not meant to attack the idea of jury nullification.  It was to explore the possibility that someone may have unscrupulously used the idea of jury nullification to swing, seed, contaminate, or tamper with the jury in a criminal manner, which should be investigated. 

As for the death penalty bit, well -- Juror Jennifer Ford mentioned the jury not being willing to give a "punishment" if they were not 100% confident of Casey's guilt.  This is directly counter to the instructions Judge Perry gave the jury; they were advised that they were not to consider possible punishment in their deliberations.  They were to ONLY consider the facts and evidence and use their own reasoning.
 
On that note, Jennifer claimed that there was NO EVIDENCE from the State.  To most observers there did appear to be a preponderance of evidence that Casey was guilty indeed.  And yet, the jury does not seem to have examined or thoughtfully considered any of that evidence.
 
On the other hand, they do seem to have unanimously entertained and felt more able to very quickly accept the wild (and IMO untrue) theory JB unveiled in his opening statement... but which he did not present any evidence to prove!  IMO, it just does not make any sense, unless there was some explanation that has not yet been revealed. 

The jury pretty obviously did not follow the judge's instructions.  I was trying to figure out why a jury might do that, other than just stupidity, and my research led me to a controversial subject I was not familiar with:  jury nullification as a Constitutionally rendered and protected 'power' of a jury, along with the activism that could be exploited to "get to" a jury somehow.

Hope I did not offend you!  People certainly do have widely differing beliefs about this kind of thing.  In fact, I saw that several details and finer points in some of the explanations I'm finding online are not exactly the same as those you spelled out.  Thank you for providing your knowledge on this subject.

You suggested "stupidity" or "gotten to somehow" as possible explanations for the jury's baffling behavior and verdict.  In my earlier post, I was simply trying to explore that second possibility.  Grasping for an answer here.
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« Reply #213 on: July 09, 2011, 03:20:47 PM »

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« Reply #214 on: July 09, 2011, 03:21:04 PM »

Perjurer Cindy Anthony Writing Book Supporting Defense Claims About George

According to a cousin, Casey Anthony’s mother, Cindy, is writing a book in which she will explain how the defense claims about George in the opening statement are true.

A 2nd Cousin to Cindy called into a Houston, TX radio show (link below) stating how Cindy had a ”conference” call with only her side of the family giving details confirming to  them George’s participation as the Defense claimed in their opening statement at the murder trial.

Cindy will release these new details in a book already in the works ….  Cindy lied on the witness stand, can we believe her now ???  Is this another ploy of Cindy’s to save her daughter from the world’s hatred?

http://www.cayleedaily.com/2011/07/perjurer-cindy-anthony-writing-book-supporting-defense-claims-about-george/

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I had a feeling it was Cindy Anthony writing that book. ughhhhhhhhh  They all need to be locked away.

I wouldn't read a friggin postcard any of the Anthonys wrote.  I could never believe a thing from them.  I think we should write to the prosecutor's office and demand that Cindy faces charges.  The law is the law and she broke it!!
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« Reply #215 on: July 09, 2011, 03:29:01 PM »

Perjurer Cindy Anthony Writing Book Supporting Defense Claims About George

According to a cousin, Casey Anthony’s mother, Cindy, is writing a book in which she will explain how the defense claims about George in the opening statement are true.

A 2nd Cousin to Cindy called into a Houston, TX radio show (link below) stating how Cindy had a ”conference” call with only her side of the family giving details confirming to  them George’s participation as the Defense claimed in their opening statement at the murder trial.

Cindy will release these new details in a book already in the works ….  Cindy lied on the witness stand, can we believe her now ???  Is this another ploy of Cindy’s to save her daughter from the world’s hatred?

http://www.cayleedaily.com/2011/07/perjurer-cindy-anthony-writing-book-supporting-defense-claims-about-george/

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I had a feeling it was Cindy Anthony writing that book. ughhhhhhhhh  They all need to be locked away.

We all know Cindy is Queen liar. Hell, the State proved it in court ON THE RECORD!
Won't read any book Cindy writes as we know it will be pure FICTION!
This family is worse than evil!
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« Reply #216 on: July 09, 2011, 03:32:53 PM »

A jury is a body of persons selected according to the law and sworn to inquire into or determine the facts on a question or questions --- When the facts are added up in this case, I just don't see how common sense did not prevail.   That is what is making people angry--the obvious was ignored.   It is truly frustrating. 

The jury system is the best in the world and accepting a jury's verdict is what we have to do, but this verdict seemed non-sensical to the max.  The Prosecution presented a fine & intelligent case.  The Defense, on the other hand, was chaotic, sensate, and goofy.    Wondering about jury rigging isn't all that much of a leap, in my view.
In my long post on page 2 of this thread, there are links to arguments on the part of certain proponents of jury nullification who assert that violating the juror's oath is acceptable or justifiable perjury, or that the oath is taken under duress and is therefore invalid, or that the oath is illegally given or unconstitutional and is therefore moot.

So some people who endorse JN feel that the oath is meaningless and that their purpose or right to exercise their perceived constitutional 'power' outweighs the little white lie, or forgivable perjury of violating the jurors' oath.

Here is a snippet, but the question of whether it is illegal or unconscionable to violate the juror's oath is discussed in more detail at the link:

"If the wording of the oath poses some conflict with the jury's constitutional prerogative to nullify, it is clear which one must yield the right of way. ..."  http://www.lawandliberty.org/jurynul2.htm
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« Reply #217 on: July 09, 2011, 03:34:28 PM »

If Cindy writes a book implicating George, supporting the DT opening statement, then IMHO she is as deranged as her daughter.  I have felt bad for both Cindy and George off and on throughout this whole ordeal - they may be enablers and liars but they're not killers. 

Somebody in Cindy's family needs to let her know that the game is over, and she needs to quit trying to protect and/or reconcile with Casey, and start telling the truth.   GAME OVER, CINDY!! GIVE IT UP!
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« Reply #218 on: July 09, 2011, 03:45:18 PM »

The failure to understand or follow jury instructions is NOT jury nullification PER SE.  Jury nullification is much more than not following the rules. It is the conscious decision that the law is that the person is guilty, that the state has proved their case and yet, you find the law objectionable and therefore, acquit. In this case the jury has said that they did not feel the prosecution proved their case. They believed that there had to be a CAUSE of death proven. This was a mistake or failure to listen to the instructions on their part - not a thought out decision that the law was objectionable.  Therefore, it was NOT jury nullification. It was pure stupidity.

Currently, there is almost no jurisdiction you can argue jury nullification in to the jury. The courts have repeatedly ruled that the jury may not be told about being able to nullify. The simple fact is, however, jury nullification is and was designed to be, the last protection of the people from unjust government.  Remember too that this was not a case of anti death penalty since the jury had the right to give the sentencing recommendation to the court and knew this.

I know that many of you feel that this is a case of JN. I just really do not see it. I really do not believe that the jury gave enough thought to the verdict and the law to make that choice. I really really think it was pure and simply that they did not want to do the job and wanted to go home. I think a close second is that the jury was "gotten to" somehow.
My post was not meant to attack the idea of jury nullification.  It was to explore the possibility that someone may have unscrupulously used the idea of jury nullification to swing, seed, contaminate, or tamper with the jury in a criminal manner, which should be investigated. 

As for the death penalty bit, well -- Juror Jennifer Ford mentioned the jury not being willing to give a "punishment" if they were not 100% confident of Casey's guilt.  This is directly counter to the instructions Judge Perry gave the jury; they were advised that they were not to consider possible punishment in their deliberations.  They were to ONLY consider the facts and evidence and use their own reasoning.
 
On that note, Jennifer claimed that there was NO EVIDENCE from the State.  To most observers there did appear to be a preponderance of evidence that Casey was guilty indeed.  And yet, the jury does not seem to have examined or thoughtfully considered any of that evidence.
 
On the other hand, they do seem to have unanimously entertained and felt more able to very quickly accept the wild (and IMO untrue) theory JB unveiled in his opening statement... but which he did not present any evidence to prove!  IMO, it just does not make any sense, unless there was some explanation that has not yet been revealed. 

The jury pretty obviously did not follow the judge's instructions.  I was trying to figure out why a jury might do that, other than just stupidity, and my research led me to a controversial subject I was not familiar with:  jury nullification as a Constitutionally rendered and protected 'power' of a jury, along with the activism that could be exploited to "get to" a jury somehow.

Hope I did not offend you!  People certainly do have widely differing beliefs about this kind of thing.  In fact, I saw that several details and finer points in some of the explanations I'm finding online are not exactly the same as those you spelled out.  Thank you for providing your knowledge on this subject.

You suggested "stupidity" or "gotten to somehow" as possible explanations for the jury's baffling behavior and verdict.  In my earlier post, I was simply trying to explore that second possibility.  Grasping for an answer here.

Des - you did not offend me at all. I just would hate to see a very good concept - one that has a constitutional purpose - be blamed for a verdict like this. I feel strongly it was not jury nullification - but if I find out otherwise I will certainly admit I was wrong!  I love to take a time to explain to people what jury nullification is - for fun google the Scopes Monkey trial - interesting read!
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« Reply #219 on: July 09, 2011, 03:45:36 PM »

Next thing we know, Cindy will be saying that she, too, is 'terrified' of George and that is why she kept it a secret.....until now (where are the :rolling eyes:) 


I don't think the public outrage is over. I think it will sustain through Zenaida's case, the states's potential suit for reimbursement, TES's potential suit for reimbursement, the IRS, the potential grandma's potential civil suit, maybe the Grund's for defamation, etc.....but I still hope that's just 'busy' stuff until something more earth shattering can be done against Casey (I do not mean any type of physical harm -- I'm referring to legal)

I have no legal cells in my brain chemistry, so I am not aware of all the possiblities that can provide the 'mistrial' opportunties, etc.,  so thanks to all of you that are educating me Smile

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