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« on: July 08, 2011, 05:49:56 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2011, 06:17:36 AM »

http://www.wftv.com/news/28494098/detail.html

More Than 150 Sign Petition Against Jose Baez
Posted: 11:44 pm EDT July 8, 2011

ORLANDO, Fla. -- There is no doubt that the Casey Anthony murder trial was contentious. Even Chief Judge Belvin Perry gave his opinion about the trial and the lawyers.

“There has been gamesmanship in the case, andit’s quite evident there is a friction between attorneys,”Judge Perry said.

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“I will reserve the decision to proceed with contempt proceedings at the conclusion of this trial,” Judge Perry warned.

Now the trial is over and some people want to see those contempt proceedings happen. They’ve launched an online petition asking Judge Perry to punish Baez. The same way he punished trial watcher, Matthew Bartlett who showed prosecutor Jeff Ashton his middle finger in the courtroom.

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So far, more than 160 people have signed the petition.
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« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2011, 06:23:28 AM »

http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2011/july/276382/Caylees-Law-gains-momentum
Caylee's Law gains momentum

CAYLEE MARIE ANTHONY -- Born August 9, 2005. Disappeared June 2008, weeks before her third birthday. Her remains were found on December 11, 2008, in a wooded area near her home.
By Stephanie Coueignoux, Reporter
Last Updated: Friday, July 08, 2011 11:28 PM

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"I think what everyone agrees on is that it is absolutely wrong for someone to -- for 31 days to prance around and party when their child is deceased or missing," Plakon said.

Plakon teamed up with Miami Rep. Jose Diaz to write the law.

Under this proposed law, the following would become felonies:

    failing to report a missing child
    failing to report the death of a child or the location of a child's body
    intentionally providing false information to law enforcement about a child's disappearance

"If this law would have been in place, Casey Anthony would not be walking out of the Orange County Jail in the next few days. She would be walking in the jail many, many years from now," Plakon said.
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« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2011, 06:25:43 AM »

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2011/07/09/anthony_verdict_stirs_call_for_laws/
Anthony verdict stirs call for laws
Penalties wanted for not reporting missing children
By Brent Kallestad
Associated Press / July 9, 2011

TALLAHASSEE - Lawmakers outraged over Casey Anthony’s acquittal have responded by proposing so-called Caylee’s laws that would allow prosecutors to bring felony charges against parents who do not quickly report missing children.
The new measures were triggered, at least in part, by an online petition that had more than 700,000 signatures yesterday. Some questioned whether a new law would do any good because the circumstances of the Anthony case were so rare, but lawmakers in at least a dozen states have already floated proposals reacting to the verdict.
“Casey Anthony broke new ground in brazenness,’’ said Scott Plakon, a Florida state representative who is sponsoring the proposal. “It’s very sad that we even need a law like this, but Casey Anthony just proved that we do as unfortunate as that is.’’
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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2011, 06:31:13 AM »

Dr. William Weitz & Caylee's Law: Nancy 7/8/11
http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/u/1/tR9FmqYQa0Q
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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2011, 06:35:33 AM »

Jose Beaz Needs To Be Held Accountable For His Actions

http://www.change.org/petitions/jose-beaz-needs-to-be-held-accountable-for-his-actions
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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2011, 06:47:18 AM »

the one thing about that juror number 3 wasnt it known after that she had some kind of not warrant but she was in trouble with the law...i wonder if that was wiped away by Bozo for her help in getting the jury to vote not guilty would be interesting to follow that and see what happens to her on whatever count i cant remember what she was in trouble for
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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2011, 07:12:27 AM »

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43691279/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/#video-transcript


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"God forbid we ever run into a mother like Casey Anthony again," said Plakon, the Florida legislator. "If we do, that mother will be a felon."



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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2011, 07:16:43 AM »

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43691279/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/#video-transcript


 ::snipping2::

"God forbid we ever run into a mother like Casey Anthony again," said Plakon, the Florida legislator. "If we do, that mother will be a felon."



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« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2011, 07:22:42 AM »

signed, sealed, hopefully delievered
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« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2011, 07:55:49 AM »

Good morning!  Like everyone else, I've been mulling over like soundbites by Juror #3 and the alternate these past few days, astounded at the lack of critical thinking and logic.  Juror #3 said the jurors were unable to even determine who had physical custody of the child when the "accident" or whatever happened.  Uhmmm, Cindy was the phone pursuing Casey because she didn't know where Caylee was (numerous phone calls and messages over 31 days, MySpace, sending Lee to the bar scene to find Casey, showing up at Casey's "work", calling Amy after they picked up the car from the tow yard, etc.).  Lee, in both statements and depositions, clearly stated Cindy sent him looking for Casey because she hadn't seen Caylee.  Lee, in the jail video visits clearly ask Casey, "Is this like last time?"- as in clearly, Casey had taken Caylee away before in response to some grievance and not let Cindy & George see her.  George wasn't the techno-savvy one of the bunch, the closest one to Casey, nor was he allowed to handle things with Casey = so he wouldn't be in charge of the search effort.  Casey was the one claiming possession of Caylee, by her LE statements that she dropped Caylee off with the nanny.  She was also tied to that by her lies to Cindy that they (she & Caylee)were in Jacksonville. She also established herself as the primary guardian of Caylee with her numerous stories of where Caylee was because she was in contact with Zenaida, she knew where Zenaida and Caylee were in any given week.

Moreover, according to the same juror, the jury basically discounted all of Dr. Vass' testimony about the chloroform in the trunk.  Who best to believe, someone who has a lifetime of experience and an established, well-respected institute for studying dead bodies (causes of death, rate of decomposition in numerous environments, stages of decomposition,chemical processes of decompositions, etc.) or someone with far less experience?   Likewise, they did the same with the duct tape. In essence, the jury had already decided prior to deliberations, to discount Caylee's duct-taped toddler's skull solely because it didn't fit the drowning theory. Wow! IMO, they'd already decided to go with the drowning theory and so they had no questions about testimony, depositions, scientific process, and no need to further examine one shred of evidence.

Got to run-have a family function to go to.  Take good care everybody.   
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« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2011, 08:00:45 AM »



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« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2011, 08:11:51 AM »

signed, sealed, hopefully delievered

I signed too!
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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2011, 08:13:36 AM »

-- Long Post Warning -- Disclaimer: No disrespect intended toward any political beliefs.

Everyone is puzzling over the odd remarks being made by jurors who have spoken out so far.  Were they stupid?  What can explain their baffling verdict that flew in the face of all common sense, the polls, the pundits' predictions, etc..?  Was there juror misconduct?  A planted "stealth juror" or two?  Jury tampering?  Why did Baez seem so chipper when the jury was sent to deliberate, when he should have been shaking in his shoes?  And so upbeat when court reconvened to hear their verdict?

Well, regarding the "Runaway Jury" Theory, and whether the jurors' actions will be, or should be, investigated, it really stands out to me that the stated goal of the DT was to "save Casey's life:"
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Quote from: Northern Rose on July 08, 2011, 08:43:39 PM

Cheney Mason defended the lawyers’ happy reactions at a party after the acquittal in a restaurant near the courthouse. “There were people criticizing that we had a party downstairs [from his office] and drinking champagne,” he told WOFL. “And people criticizing my co-counsel Dorothy Clay Sims for dancing around. … She wasn’t dancing around. She was ecstatic for saving Casey’s life — as we all were. That was the goal.”

And Mason added: ”Nobody has an apology to make.”

The jury did not seem to even consider the lesser charges at all; it is almost as if they glossed right over them -- along with the ample evidence presented by the State -- in their rush to find Casey NOT GUILTY of the Death Penalty charge (1st Degree Murder):   
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Quote from:  Red on July 08, 2011, 08:52:03 PM

Has every one missed the part that the STATE did charge Casey with lesser charges that just capital murder/death penalty?

Even Drew's jurors have messed this up.

The jury could have charged her with aggravated manslaughter or aggravated child abuse ... these were not death penalty charges.

Or have I missed something?

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2011/07/casey-anthony-she-wont-be-going-home-cheney-mason-says.html

The jury did not follow the law, nor the judge's instructions... WHY NOT?
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Quote from CNN article posted upthread:

Speaking to CNN, Ashton said the jury "shouldn't have been even considering punishment during the guilt phase."

If convicted, Anthony could have faced the death penalty.

Ashton said the jury was instructed that sentencing was not part of what they should consider.

"If they did it based on the penalty then they didn't follow the law," he said.

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-07-07/justice/florida.anthony.juror.attorneys_1_roy-kronk-casey-anthony-orange-county-meter-reader?_s=PM:CRIME



Okay.  This is complicated.  But who knows, there may be a connection.  And if there is, I hope it is being investigated:

First, there is the concept of Jury Nullification, as explained by FIJA (Fully Informed Jury Association/Amendment)

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What Lawyers and Judges Won't Tell You About Juries
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Merely raising the issue of nullification can make prosecutors nervous, for it takes only one person aware of the right in order to hang a jury.
<snip>
That is the power of the jury at work; the power to decide the issues of law under which the defendant is charged, as well as the facts. In our system of checks and balances, the jury is our final check, the people's last safegard against unjust law and tyranny.
http://prorev.com/juries.htm

Note that it's all about the Constitution -- remember how Jennifer Ford and Cheney Mason have both mentioned THE CONSTITUTION in the verdict's aftermath?

It's all about the Constitution, yep:
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Jury Nullification:  The Top Secret Constitutional Right
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An acquittal may come because the jurors
found the defendant attractive
, or were members of
the same race, or harbored hatred toward the victim's
race, or merely because they were tired of being
sequestered for months.
This possibility, which might
fairly be called "lawless nullification," is protected by
our Constitution
not for its own sake, but because of
our commitment to the secrecy of jury deliberations
and the finality and unreviewability of their verdicts.
(This is true in much the same way that the First
Amendment protects the right to say many things that
nobody would publicly hold up as a model of good
civic behavior.)

http://www.constitution.org/2ll/2ndschol/131jur.pdf

And here is FIJA:
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If You're Called For Jury Service
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Nothing in the U.S. Constitution or in any Supreme Court decision requires jurors to take an oath to follow the law as the judge explains it or, for that matter, authorizes the judge to "instruct" the jury at all. Judges provide their interpretation of the law, but you may also do your own thinking. Keep in mind that no juror's oath is enforceable, and that you may regard all "instructions" as advice.
http://nowscape.com/fija/_abjury.htm

FIJA is active in Florida:
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FIJA activism in Orange County, FL:
http://wn.com/FIJA_Activism_Orange_County_Courthouse_Orlando_Florida
(several videos at link)

And, regarding the Casey Anthony murder trial in particular --- Remember this, from January & February of this year?
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Group blocked from distributing jury pamphlets hires legal team
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FIJA says it works "to restore the traditional role of juries as checks on corrupt government and bad laws" and calls itself a "jury education group."

But FIJA's activities outside the courthouse prompted Ninth Judicial Circuit Chief Judge Belvin Perry to issue an order earlier this year, preventing people from distributing materials aimed at influencing potential or actual jurors.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2011-02-16/news/os-jury-pamphlet-fight-20110216_1_jury-pamphlets-legal-team-jury-system

Judge Perry issued an order against FIJA's activities to protect the case.  FIJA activists hired an ACLU attorney.  They claimed Judge Perry's order violated their First Amendment rights and the wording in his order was "unconstitutional."

BTW, you can Google it:  ACLU has a history of successfully fighting cases in which people are charged with misdemeanors for giving the single finger salute (i.e. "obscene gesture") and have won some big damage awards for those exonerated -- all in the name of the First Amendment.  That is the same gesture that Mr. Mason made during the DT's celebration, and the same defense he used when called out for his behavior.

Anyway, this is what Caylee blogger Niecey had to say about the FIJA activists fighting Judge Perry's order:

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WOW!!! Okay, freedom of speech and tampering with a jury are 2 different issues. If they are handing out these pamphlets to jurors after they have been selected or even if they are potential jurors under consideration, that to me would be tampering. If this truly is about jurors’ rights……….Why not send it with a summons?

Something is fishy about this.
http://niecey456.wordpress.com/2011/02/04/the-hearing-for-242011-more-in-caylees-case/#comment-29825

One more thing:

Remember the white-haired guy in the red shirt who was brought before a wrathful Judge Perry in the middle of the trial?  He was arrested after handing out pamphlets and refusing to leave.  Name is Mark Schmidter.
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Man accused of handing out pamphlets outside Casey Anthony jury room
http://www.baynews9.com/article/news/2011/june/271337/

Mug shot: http://florida.arrests.org/Arrests/Mark_Schmidter_4941931/

This dude gets around:
FIJA Outreach at Seminole County Courthouse
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They explained that jury nullification is the right to refuse to enforce bad laws and bad prosecutions.
http://florida.fija.org/tag/mark-schmidter/

He speaks.
"Julian interviews Mark Schmidter about his jury nullification outreach in Florida"
(Two podcasts at link)
http://tyrannyfighters.com/tag/mark-schmidter/

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Now, as to whether or not it is legal for a "runaway jury" to take the law into their own hands, against the judge's instructions; as to the question of whether that is indeed constitutional .... we'll leave that as a controversial argument.

However, there is no question about the illegality of jury tampering or juror misconduct.  Those are crimes.  So the important question would be whether jury tampering and/or jury misconduct was engaged in by attorneys, their 'investigators,' or jurors in this case, in order to create Bozo's big win through the secret weapon of jury nullification.
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BTW, I can't help but find it intriguing that Russell Huekler (alternate juror, first one to speak out after the verdict) teaches Social Studies at a school that boasts a very unusual Criminal Justice Academy.  He mentioned that he intended to transform his jury experience in the Casey trial into an educational lesson for his students.
http://www.cja.pinellas.k12.fl.us/ <--(check it out here.)

Oh, and on that note, did you know that "jury nullification" is a hot topic in some educational circles for student debates?
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Resolved: In the United States, jury nullification is a legitimate check on government.

Arguments:
Popular Interpretation

Yes

Restricting jury nullification takes the power of governing out of the hands of the people, where it belongs, and puts it in the hand of one individual. According to the the Gettysburg Address, the U.S. government is "government of the people, by the people, for the people." Therefore it follows that the people should be allowed to interpret the law. Juries do not nullify eagerly. When they do, it is because it is clear to the jurors that the case is being misinterpreted by the sole Judge. If juries are not allowed to nullify, then the governing power that should belong to the people will instead belong to one man or woman.
   
Responses:

No

Jury nullification negatively affects the Judge's benign role as the unbiased referee of the court. The people have the power to rule in trials, but they must do it in accordance to the laws set down by the American legislature, not based on their own biases. It is the judge's responsibility to be an expert of the law and to decide how the specific case relates to the applicable laws. It is the jury's role to make a judgement regarding the truth of the specific events of the case presented to them. When the jury exceeds that role, it is stepping on the United States Judicial system and on the laws that were created by the people, for the people.

http://debatepedia.idebate.org/en/index.php/Resolved:_In_the_United_States%2C_jury_nullification_is_a_legitimate_check_on_government
Please excuse me if none of this makes sense! 
(And please do not quote this super long post in its entirety, okay?)
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« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2011, 08:16:24 AM »

Good morning!  Like everyone else, I've been mulling over like soundbites by Juror #3 and the alternate these past few days, astounded at the lack of critical thinking and logic.  Juror #3 said the jurors were unable to even determine who had physical custody of the child when the "accident" or whatever happened.  Uhmmm, Cindy was the phone pursuing Casey because she didn't know where Caylee was (numerous phone calls and messages over 31 days, MySpace, sending Lee to the bar scene to find Casey, showing up at Casey's "work", calling Amy after they picked up the car from the tow yard, etc.).  Lee, in both statements and depositions, clearly stated Cindy sent him looking for Casey because she hadn't seen Caylee.  Lee, in the jail video visits clearly ask Casey, "Is this like last time?"- as in clearly, Casey had taken Caylee away before in response to some grievance and not let Cindy & George see her.  George wasn't the techno-savvy one of the bunch, the closest one to Casey, nor was he allowed to handle things with Casey = so he wouldn't be in charge of the search effort.  Casey was the one claiming possession of Caylee, by her LE statements that she dropped Caylee off with the nanny.  She was also tied to that by her lies to Cindy that they (she & Caylee)were in Jacksonville. She also established herself as the primary guardian of Caylee with her numerous stories of where Caylee was because she was in contact with Zenaida, she knew where Zenaida and Caylee were in any given week.

Moreover, according to the same juror, the jury basically discounted all of Dr. Vass' testimony about the chloroform in the trunk.  Who best to believe, someone who has a lifetime of experience and an established, well-respected institute for studying dead bodies (causes of death, rate of decomposition in numerous environments, stages of decomposition,chemical processes of decompositions, etc.) or someone with far less experience?   Likewise, they did the same with the duct tape. In essence, the jury had already decided prior to deliberations, to discount Caylee's duct-taped toddler's skull solely because it didn't fit the drowning theory. Wow! IMO, they'd already decided to go with the drowning theory and so they had no questions about testimony, depositions, scientific process, and no need to further examine one shred of evidence.

Got to run-have a family function to go to.  Take good care everybody.   
Not only that but Casey claimed to have talked to Caylee that day or the day before on the phone.
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« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2011, 08:18:52 AM »

you know if you step back from the situation and take all the emotion out of it - logic tells us either that jury was tampered with in one way or another OR 12 of the dumbest & most uneducated, unintelligent people voted that day.  Tough call but I sincerely believe something fishy went on!
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« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2011, 08:25:19 AM »

Here in Columbus OH, we do hear about Casey, but we are also hearing about sanctions for OSU and their scandal (players getting free tattoos, etc).  Yesterday I was listening to the AM talk radio channel, and the guy said that Jim Tressel no longer having to pay $250k, but instead gets paid a monthly salary, etc..  is "just like the Casey Anthony trial".   We'll still hear about OJ I'm sure, but now that Casey is the new OJ, this tells me that the majority of people out there honestly believe that what happened in the case in Florida is a complete miscarriage of justice.
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« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2011, 08:31:04 AM »

Klaas I think we need a thread  for "state by state" so to speak who is going forward in trying to pass Caylee's law. 
So we can refer back and update the DATE Caylee's Law HAS passed in each state.
It would be a no discussion thread, only info.

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« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2011, 08:31:58 AM »

you know if you step back from the situation and take all the emotion out of it - logic tells us either that jury was tampered with in one way or another OR 12 of the dumbest & most uneducated, unintelligent people voted that day.  Tough call but I sincerely believe something fishy went on!

Has to be. 

Most of the jurors that have spoken out say they don't think she's innocent. However, they didn't know exactly how Caylee died, they thought George was unbelievable, and the state showed by at least a couple of their witnesses that Casey was a good mom.

1.) How Caylee died, considering the fact she wasn't reported dead or missing, is irrelevant.
2.) George having a mistress and being combative with Baez about that is also irrelevant (IMO)
3.) If Casey was such a good mom, then you still have to question #1. Why wasn't she reported dead? Why didn't Casey show any emotion? Why did she lie for so long? Why does all of the evidence take you back to Casey?  I'm sure lots of mothers who have killed their own children were "good" at some point. 
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« Reply #19 on: July 09, 2011, 08:33:54 AM »

In my long post above, this link worked when I was typing it.  But I just noticed it doesn't work now.
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Man accused of handing out pamphlets outside Casey Anthony jury room
http://www.baynews9.com/article/news/2011/june/271337/

Here is a cached version I found. At least for the present moment, this link works.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Qed4011JVrIJ:www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2011/june/271337/Man-accused-of-handing-out-pamphlets-outside-Casey-Anthony-jury-room+man+handing+out+pamphlets&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com
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