Lively Case Discussion #617 5/10 - 5/11/2007

[klaasend]

Let's hope 2007 brings Justice for Natalee

[Kermit]

First time.

[Kermit]

Rita: We have heard from the family chief that Joran stated that she was going in and out of consciousness, did you see that anywhere?

    Dompig: Yes, that is definitely in the statements.
http://rjames.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=6

[Anna]

Rita: We have heard from the family chief that Joran stated that she was going in and out of consciousness, did you see that anywhere?

    Dompig: Yes, that is definitely in the statements.
http://rjames.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=6

Why was she doing that?  Joran SAID she wasn't drunk and knew what she was doing.

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[Rob]

an email to me from Yvonne- list of cops and officials involved in Max's case. There are more, but she didn't have them all handy when she sent this.

Police Assistant Inspector Jules Sambo.

Adolf Cruz from Search and Rescue - 297 - 962 - 1380

V.D. Stuater. (Appears to be a cop, phone number - 297 - 587 - 0009 Polis Station.)

P.B. Seute - Police Officer

Debra Bolten - U.S. Council.

Mr. Vera - Hotel Security.

Beach Patrol - 297 - 586 - 3003

[robots]

well, sometimes when things are looking like you cant find the answers to the questions that you need answers to..... the only thing to do is keep looking  

i know from personal experience that sometimes you just cant find what you need but if you keep looking you will find it

its not easy, its there
and in this case it is RIGHT in FRONT of everyone but some are simply refusing to see it....

its coming, sometimes you have to draw the map, sometimes you have to point out the obvious and sometimes you have to JAM it DOWN their THROATS....

the DUTCH are gonna do some JAMMING
 

[Kermit]

IS JORAN A SEXUAL PREDATOR:
(note: some links do not work now, but you get the picture)

Exhibit A: JORAN'S HOT OR NOT WEBSITE
http://meetme.hotornot.com/r/?emid=GMOLKLR


Exhibit B: HUNTING FOR UNSUSPECTING TOURIST GIRLS
It is titled "Joran and Deepak Hunting".
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joranvandersloot/


Exhibit C: JORAN'S SCREEN NAME
loverboy362

Exhibit D: JORAN'S WEBSITE
http://zorpia.com/cgi/member.cgi?username=loverboy362&s=comments&start=10


Exhibit E: JORAN SAYS HE HAS DONE IT 20 TIMES BEFORE

Twitty says the young woman told her, like Natalee, she had met Joran van der Sloot and his friends, brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, in an Aruban bar while on vacation.

A young, beautiful, blonde 18-year-old tourist, she happened to be at Carlos and Charlie's late; it was getting close to closing time," said Twitty.

Twitty described the anonymous witness account of a night at the same bar Natalee was last seen at, driving away with the three young men. How Joran was continuously scoping Carlos and Charlie's.

"He approaches these three tourists and it's just interesting how he just instantly begins to try to connect with, begin to try to relate with them," Twitty said. "And he was telling these girls that those are his gambling buddies, that they play poker together. And then he proceeds to lean across the bar and tell the bartender, "I need four shots of 151.' He just leans across the bar; the bartender just lines up four shots of 151. These girls had no idea. It makes me wonder, is this the shot he was buying my daughter right before closing time? A shot of 151? I wish Natalee would have been able to see that those three were tightly connected. She didn't have that privilege. All she thought was she was getting into an Aruban cab. She didn't have a chance. She didn't stand a chance."
http://www.wtok.com/news/headlines/1652701.html



Exhibit F: Unknown Girl - Aruba - Her Mother Reports To Linda Allison That Joran Threatened Daughter With Knife At C&CH's When She Rebuffed His Attentions

Exhibit G: Joran’s website:
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923



Exhibit H: http://www.saintleo.edu/SaintLeo/Templates/Inner.aspx?pid=75

Joran said he was accepted to this university.


Exhibit I: JORAN'S ADDITIONAL WEBSITE TO LURE WOMEN

Joran had posted on this website that he was going to Michigan. (the website was taken down, but I have a screenshot of it).
http://umichigan.thefacebook.com/search.php?query-Joran&do-search=

[yapperz1]

Afternoon Monkeys

Anna wrote:

It's him. What are the odds of some "guy who looked like Paulus" sitting at that table on that exact evening talking to Natalee?


Maybe it was the other person living in Paulypusses head. Wonder what name the alter ego goes by????

[Kermit]

Rita: We have heard from the family chief that Joran stated that she was going in and out of consciousness, did you see that anywhere?

    Dompig: Yes, that is definitely in the statements.
http://rjames.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=6

Why was she doing that?  Joran SAID she wasn't drunk and knew what she was doing.

.

This is what pathological liars do, some of the lie is true, rest of it is not.

Natalee wasn't drunk up until he drugged her drink.

[Kermit]

well, sometimes when things are looking like you cant find the answers to the questions that you need answers to..... the only thing to do is keep looking  

i know from personal experience that sometimes you just cant find what you need but if you keep looking you will find it

its not easy, its there
and in this case it is RIGHT in FRONT of everyone but some are simply refusing to see it....

its coming, sometimes you have to draw the map, sometimes you have to point out the obvious and sometimes you have to JAM it DOWN their THROATS....

the DUTCH are gonna do some JAMMING
 

YES, YES, YES robots.

Dutch need to stop the cover up and start the arrests (plural)

[Anna]

IS JORAN A SEXUAL PREDATOR:
(note: some links do not work now, but you get the picture)

Exhibit A: JORAN'S HOT OR NOT WEBSITE
http://meetme.hotornot.com/r/?emid=GMOLKLR


Exhibit B: HUNTING FOR UNSUSPECTING TOURIST GIRLS
It is titled "Joran and Deepak Hunting".
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joranvandersloot/


Exhibit C: JORAN'S SCREEN NAME
loverboy362

Exhibit D: JORAN'S WEBSITE
http://zorpia.com/cgi/member.cgi?username=loverboy362&s=comments&start=10


Exhibit E: JORAN SAYS HE HAS DONE IT 20 TIMES BEFORE

Twitty says the young woman told her, like Natalee, she had met Joran van der Sloot and his friends, brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, in an Aruban bar while on vacation.

A young, beautiful, blonde 18-year-old tourist, she happened to be at Carlos and Charlie's late; it was getting close to closing time," said Twitty.

Twitty described the anonymous witness account of a night at the same bar Natalee was last seen at, driving away with the three young men. How Joran was continuously scoping Carlos and Charlie's.

"He approaches these three tourists and it's just interesting how he just instantly begins to try to connect with, begin to try to relate with them," Twitty said. "And he was telling these girls that those are his gambling buddies, that they play poker together. And then he proceeds to lean across the bar and tell the bartender, "I need four shots of 151.' He just leans across the bar; the bartender just lines up four shots of 151. These girls had no idea. It makes me wonder, is this the shot he was buying my daughter right before closing time? A shot of 151? I wish Natalee would have been able to see that those three were tightly connected. She didn't have that privilege. All she thought was she was getting into an Aruban cab. She didn't have a chance. She didn't stand a chance."
http://www.wtok.com/news/headlines/1652701.html



Exhibit F: Unknown Girl - Aruba - Her Mother Reports To Linda Allison That Joran Threatened Daughter With Knife At C&CH's When She Rebuffed His Attentions

Exhibit G: Joran’s website:
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923



Exhibit H: http://www.saintleo.edu/SaintLeo/Templates/Inner.aspx?pid=75

Joran said he was accepted to this university.


Exhibit I: JORAN'S ADDITIONAL WEBSITE TO LURE WOMEN

Joran had posted on this website that he was going to Michigan. (the website was taken down, but I have a screenshot of it).
http://umichigan.thefacebook.com/search.php?query-Joran&do-search=

[Kermit]

an email to me from Yvonne- list of cops and officials involved in Max's case. There are more, but she didn't have them all handy when she sent this.

Police Assistant Inspector Jules Sambo.

Adolf Cruz from Search and Rescue - 297 - 962 - 1380

V.D. Stuater. (Appears to be a cop, phone number - 297 - 587 - 0009 Polis Station.)

P.B. Seute - Police Officer

Debra Bolten - U.S. Council.

Mr. Vera - Hotel Security.

Beach Patrol - 297 - 586 - 3003

Thanks Rob.

[Spock]

I was just reading over some of TJ Wards statements and he is convinced that ALE may have gotten the wrong car in custody. Last week, one of the monkies posted pictures of the Kalpoe car, one showing 5 spoke wheels, the next showing six spoke wheels. I also recall mirrors before and after were different. Could we take another look at those?

[Peaches]

Afternoon Monkeys

Anna wrote:

It's him. What are the odds of some "guy who looked like Paulus" sitting at that table on that exact evening talking to Natalee?

SLIM AND FREAKIN' NONE!

Maybe it was the other person living in Paulypusses head. Wonder what name the alter ego goes by????

[Kermit]

lol yapperz

[Kermit]

Aruban Law Enforcement  Jacobs

I had begun to realize that any evidence that went through Jacobs
never seemed to make its way to Holland. It was either disregarded
or it disappeared. I mentioned the cross to Jacobs, and he did not
think anything of it.
Dave Holloway....Aruba.......page 178

WAKE UP HOLLAND - COVER-UP

[Observer]

[Anna]

Afternoon Monkeys

Anna wrote:

It's him. What are the odds of some "guy who looked like Paulus" sitting at that table on that exact evening talking to Natalee?


Maybe it was the other person living in Paulypusses head. Wonder what name the alter ego goes by????

Maybe that's the long lost Marco we have heard about in the book?

 

[Observer]

I was just reading over some of TJ Wards statements and he is convinced that ALE may have gotten the wrong car in custody. Last week, one of the monkies posted pictures of the Kalpoe car, one showing 5 spoke wheels, the next showing six spoke wheels. I also recall mirrors before and after were different. Could we take another look at those?

Opus at BFN posted that

[BTgirl]

I was reading at the BBC about Madeleine McCann, and thought this statement was interesting. It supports what we've been saying about the Dutch inspectors not sharing information.

"Why don't Portuguese police release more information to the media and the public?

All criminal cases in Portugal - and elsewhere in much of Europe - are governed by the law of judicial secrecy.

This means that once a criminal investigation is under way, police cannot reveal anything about that investigation, including any details about potential suspects.

Any leaks could jeopardise a trial."

 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6634283.stm