Lively Case Discussion #617 5/10 - 5/11/2007

[Tibrogargan]

Hello Monkeys,
I am also in a less than happy mood after reading the latest chapter in the drivel written by blobhead.
Some observations on my part:
Why is it such a matter of interest that Natalee wore a short skirt when most of the pictures we see from Aruba show girls barely covered by minute scraps of fabric.
If even a seasoned drinker had consumed that many alcoholic beverages in the couple of days and especially on that particular day, they would have been incapable of sitting upright on that seat at the casino table, let alone being able to dance at CnC's later in the evening.
On the subject of switching the cars for the forensic testing and/or re-enactment, one of the monkeys earlier had a suggestion that I had not thought of before and that was that the car used to kidnap Natalee was not Deepak's car but a substitute one.   Good theory.

[San]

Charles Croes said he got a call from a major friend of his that night.  Who does everyone think his major friend was.  Who tipped Charles off.

the major friend made the mistake of telling him and not the Holloway's or Twitty's

I agree.  I'm just throwing this out there.  Who owns the company that Charles provides cell phone service for?

I thought Charles Croes owns the store in Aruba and he is the distributor for Digicel?  I could be wrong.

Who owns Digicel?

[bleachedblack]

Charles Croes said he got a call from a major friend of his that night.  Who does everyone think his major friend was.  Who tipped Charles off.

Vocking.  Sloot and Vocking have a history of covering up crimes.

Sloot called Vocking in right off that bat and got the ball rolling on the cover-up just like they did in the Mathews case(or whatever the guy in prisons names was)

Vocking called Croes in to buy some time and lead the family on a wild goose chase until they could get Natalee out of the sloot dump/compound the night Beth arrived.  Vocking was the director, at least in the very beginning.

Makes sense Blah.  In the beginning I always thought it was a person in the United States that called Charles and asked him to help friends of his out.  Of course I have since changed my mind and now we know it was someone in Aruba that called Charles to ask for his help and create a diversion that night.

I see the events of that  night in a very different way than you San I am not sure who called CC  that night and who is that "very major friend" but I don't feel that he was called with any diverson in mind, because that was not what happened. If a diversion were the desired effect, then he would not have brought the posse to the Sloot place within hours of their arrival but rather days later. I look at the help requested of CC by the frien as the help needed to locate the missing Natalee and more specifically the 3 guys she was last seen with.

[justinsmama]

GLENDA has not posted at RU or FOB in 7 days.  Is she:

1.  Being interrogated by the KLPD?
2.  Laying low until the KLPD leaves?
3.  Recooperating from some kind of plastic surgery?
4.  Sleeping it off after her last binge?

5. Entertaining the KLPD?

Only as a fluffa.

[San]

Charles Croes said he got a call from a major friend of his that night.  Who does everyone think his major friend was.  Who tipped Charles off.

the major friend made the mistake of telling him and not the Holloway's or Twitty's

I agree.  I'm just throwing this out there.  Who owns the company that Charles provides cell phone service for?

he owns the company... Oduber controls it!!!

Exactly what I wanted to hear.

By this time Oduber knows about the phone call so guess who he called that night.

[BTgirl]

If Charles Croes is Shango - who is Simian?

[LilPuma]

Hello Monkeys,
I am also in a less than happy mood after reading the latest chapter in the drivel written by blobhead.
Some observations on my part:
Why is it such a matter of interest that Natalee wore a short skirt when most of the pictures we see from Aruba show girls barely covered by minute scraps of fabric.
If even a seasoned drinker had consumed that many alcoholic beverages in the couple of days and especially on that particular day, they would have been incapable of sitting upright on that seat at the casino table, let alone being able to dance at CnC's later in the evening.
On the subject of switching the cars for the forensic testing and/or re-enactment, one of the monkeys earlier had a suggestion that I had not thought of before and that was that the car used to kidnap Natalee was not Deepak's car but a substitute one.   Good theory.

Just read it myself, Tibro.   This is all part of the "discredit the victim" campaign and notice that these are Posner's employees.  Natalee's friends admit she drank throughout the day, but not how many drinks she actually had, nor do they say she drank mostly 151 with little Coke.   Chapter 7 tells us that at the time of her disappearance, Natalee could drink Joran under the table.   If you're inclined to believe that.  

[bleachedblack]

Charles Croes said he got a call from a major friend of his that night.  Who does everyone think his major friend was.  Who tipped Charles off.

Are you talking about the friend that asked for him to Help Beth out?
If so I thought it was someone known to Beth's group / McWayne (sp)?  

I agree with you OF. I think the major friend is one from the US, and McWayne would be a good guess.

[Tamikosmom]

I had to laugh when I read the words of this article ... "the program must reproduce the situation as real as possible."  The actor who played the part of Joran could have passed for my eldest son and ... my husband is Japanese ... you figure it out.

Janet


Amigoe
4/3/2006

ARUBA – Deepak Kalpoe’s car will not be returned to him until Monday. The examining-magistrate decided in a lawsuit instituted by Kalpoe’s lawyer David Kock that the confiscation is not illegal, because the shootings for Opsporing Verzocht are of relevance to the investigation on the disappeared Natalee Holloway. The car, a grey Honda Civic was confiscated by the Public Prosecutor last Thursday afternoon. Their motivation to do this is that the program must reproduce the situation as real as possible. The program Opsporing Verzocht with the Holloway-case will be transmitted on Tuesday, April 11th.

[Tamikosmom]

I had to laugh when I read the words of this article ... "the program must reproduce the situation as real as possible."  The actor who played the part of Joran could have passed for my eldest son and ... my husband is Japanese ... you figure it out.

Janet


Amigoe
4/3/2006

ARUBA – Deepak Kalpoe’s car will not be returned to him until Monday. The examining-magistrate decided in a lawsuit instituted by Kalpoe’s lawyer David Kock that the confiscation is not illegal, because the shootings for Opsporing Verzocht are of relevance to the investigation on the disappeared Natalee Holloway. The car, a grey Honda Civic was confiscated by the Public Prosecutor last Thursday afternoon. Their motivation to do this is that the program must reproduce the situation as real as possible. The program Opsporing Verzocht with the Holloway-case will be transmitted on Tuesday, April 11th.

[Observer]

Silver car parked at Freddys house

[San]

Hello Monkeys,
I am also in a less than happy mood after reading the latest chapter in the drivel written by blobhead.
Some observations on my part:
Why is it such a matter of interest that Natalee wore a short skirt when most of the pictures we see from Aruba show girls barely covered by minute scraps of fabric.
If even a seasoned drinker had consumed that many alcoholic beverages in the couple of days and especially on that particular day, they would have been incapable of sitting upright on that seat at the casino table, let alone being able to dance at CnC's later in the evening.
On the subject of switching the cars for the forensic testing and/or re-enactment, one of the monkeys earlier had a suggestion that I had not thought of before and that was that the car used to kidnap Natalee was not Deepak's car but a substitute one.   Good theory.

Look what Joran said about the girls from Aruba.  He is trying to paint a picture that Natalee was just like them.

I agree with the drinking also

[Kermit]

This vehicle has five spoke wheels, and two-piece mirror supports. Is this supposed to be the same car used in the reinactment, one year later?

What is the source of this photo, impounded or reinactment?

I found this photo labeled as "impounded" in an earlier post. This isn't Deepak's vehicle, different rims and mirrors. Klaas, do you have an idea where this photo came from. Could this be someone else's vehicle?

I received the photo a long time ago from someone.

[bleachedblack]

Charles Croes said he got a call from a major friend of his that night.  Who does everyone think his major friend was.  Who tipped Charles off.

Are you talking about the friend that asked for him to Help Beth out?
If so I thought it was someone known to Beth's group / McWayne (sp)?  

I agree with you OF. I think the major friend is one from the US, and McWayne would be a good guess.

....Bacchus?

[oldfart]

Charles Croes said he got a call from a major friend of his that night.  Who does everyone think his major friend was.  Who tipped Charles off.

Vocking.  Sloot and Vocking have a history of covering up crimes.

Sloot called Vocking in right off that bat and got the ball rolling on the cover-up just like they did in the Mathews case(or whatever the guy in prisons names was)

Vocking called Croes in to buy some time and lead the family on a wild goose chase until they could get Natalee out of the sloot dump/compound the night Beth arrived.  Vocking was the director, at least in the very beginning.

Makes sense Blah.  In the beginning I always thought it was a person in the United States that called Charles and asked him to help friends of his out.  Of course I have since changed my mind and now we know it was someone in Aruba that called Charles to ask for his help and create a diversion that night.

I see the events of that  night in a very different way than you San I am not sure who called CC  that night and who is that "very major friend" but I don't feel that he was called with any diverson in mind, because that was not what happened. If a diversion were the desired effect, then he would not have brought the posse to the Sloot place within hours of their arrival but rather days later. I look at the help requested of CC by the frien as the help needed to locate the missing Natalee and more specifically the 3 guys she was last seen with.

Yes BB
CC got involved because of the strange phone call, his rental company & Jug's contacts.
After that ... He may well be S_A_G_.
Deepak even stated that he blew it when talking to the guy in the Green car, speaking Pap at the Sloots while Beth was there,  when he mentioned sport sneakers to the guy

[blah]

Charles Croes said he got a call from a major friend of his that night.  Who does everyone think his major friend was.  Who tipped Charles off.

Vocking.  Sloot and Vocking have a history of covering up crimes.

Sloot called Vocking in right off that bat and got the ball rolling on the cover-up just like they did in the Mathews case(or whatever the guy in prisons names was)

Vocking called Croes in to buy some time and lead the family on a wild goose chase until they could get Natalee out of the sloot dump/compound the night Beth arrived.  Vocking was the director, at least in the very beginning.

Makes sense Blah.  In the beginning I always thought it was a person in the United States that called Charles and asked him to help friends of his out.  Of course I have since changed my mind and now we know it was someone in Aruba that called Charles to ask for his help and create a diversion that night.

I see the events of that  night in a very different way than you San I am not sure who called CC  that night and who is that "very major friend" but I don't feel that he was called with any diverson in mind, because that was not what happened. If a diversion were the desired effect, then he would not have brought the posse to the Sloot place within hours of their arrival but rather days later. I look at the help requested of CC by the frien as the help needed to locate the missing Natalee and more specifically the 3 guys she was last seen with.

But Croes had a pocket full of "hush money"

He paid that kid $100 to lead the family to the van der sloots rather than the Kalpoes house.  The description Beth had was of the Kalpoe car, Croes hands the kid $100, raps with him in papiamento for a few minutes or whatever and they are off to the Sloot dump.  Why is that?  Is it because Paulus wanted to control the situation and he would have completely lost control if the posse showed up at the Kalpoe house and Nadira answered the door?

[San]

Charles Croes said he got a call from a major friend of his that night.  Who does everyone think his major friend was.  Who tipped Charles off.

Vocking.  Sloot and Vocking have a history of covering up crimes.

Sloot called Vocking in right off that bat and got the ball rolling on the cover-up just like they did in the Mathews case(or whatever the guy in prisons names was)

Vocking called Croes in to buy some time and lead the family on a wild goose chase until they could get Natalee out of the sloot dump/compound the night Beth arrived.  Vocking was the director, at least in the very beginning.

Makes sense Blah.  In the beginning I always thought it was a person in the United States that called Charles and asked him to help friends of his out.  Of course I have since changed my mind and now we know it was someone in Aruba that called Charles to ask for his help and create a diversion that night.

I see the events of that  night in a very different way than you San I am not sure who called CC  that night and who is that "very major friend" but I don't feel that he was called with any diverson in mind, because that was not what happened. If a diversion were the desired effect, then he would not have brought the posse to the Sloot place within hours of their arrival but rather days later. I look at the help requested of CC by the frien as the help needed to locate the missing Natalee and more specifically the 3 guys she was last seen with.

I was just throwing that out there bleachedblack.  With all the crazy things that went on in this case I just want to make sure whose side Charles was on in the beginning.

[San]

Silver car parked at Freddys house

I think I'm seeing a lot of cars today and it is getting me confused.  But do we have a picture of the grey car at the rocks.

[Buckeye]

Silver car parked at Freddys house

Thanks *******.

[Kermit]