Lively Case Discussion #617 5/10 - 5/11/2007

[ldstlou]

What date did they get the toothbrushs with the alleged "male" DNA on it?  That still would not be blood samples.

And I don't think Deepak's car had yet been confiscated?

I thought about this too Anna...but it didn't say "DNA" analysis..it says comparison of "BLOOD SAMPLES"...it makes me believe it was blood and not a toothbrush

[Kermit]

Silly question.
What date did Anita talk about (in detail Joran's sexual activites with Natalee?

Was it before he was detained (Jun 9th ?) or not?

Here ya go old fart (I had posted it on the previous thread)




VAN SUSTEREN: It's also, as I recall when you and I sat down with Joran's parents, I remember you and Joran's mother having a discussion about what Joran said about his sexual activity with Natalee, which is in stark contrast to this, as well.

TWITTY: Well, but the discussion was that they had had a sexual relationship of some sort, but that it was consensual, that it was not a straight-out denial, as we're now hearing in this statement
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170558,00.html

[Rob]

O/T Catalina Island is burning - the fire is heading straight towards the only main city Avalon - all residents have been asked to evacuate to the beach.  

The fire is over 400 acres and growing.  I can see the smoke and Catalina Island from my home.

Be Safe!

[Dayhiker]

Hello all!!
I am so far behind I could never catch up!!
Did you all discuss the following, if you did can you give me a summary or a link to read the discussion. This caught my eye because it said blood sample comparison so I am assuming there were 2 samples at least to compare...what were your ideas/views on this one:

Name/Fitle: Laboratory report (blood sample)
File No: 163a-bb-1426
Date: 09 June 2005
Pages: 2
Writer/initiator: Madeline A. Montgomery (Chemistry Unit 1)
Description: blood samples comparison
Source: FBI
Lab nr: 050609002KSNP
Location: Quantico,VA 22135

No major discussion that I recall.  Remember the blood samples all turned into cleaning fluid as if my magic.

We have been talking about the cars being switched mostly which sort of connects.

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Here's a comment from the Dr. Phil show, January 2006, from the king of bullcrap himself, Steve Cohen. Still waiting for Steve to get back to us on whether that is Paulus in the casino video...

Don't think Steve was paid to stall the case, do ya? Keep the public at bay, make them think they're doing something.

"Dr. Phil asks him, “From your opinion, based on what
you know, do you believe that these boys are guilty of wrongdoing here?” Steve says that he does. “Do the prosecutors believe they are guilty of wrongdoing?” Steve says that they do. “Do you believe that [the boys] have available, intimate knowledge of what happened to her that night?” Again, Steve confirms that he does.

Steve explains, “Forensic materials continue to be collected. I think we’ve got our hands on some forensic material now that may actually open up the doors to the final results of this case.”

A year and three months later, where are those final results Steve?

[Anna]

heres another wonderful quote from POS charles croes

“That girl, Natalee, I wish she’d stayed home. I hope she’s found alive there. Because no one would care. No one. The kid is just not worth all this trouble, this heartache. Is Natalee worth it? Is she?” (Vanity Fair)” ~ Charles Croes

That's my all time fav CC quote.  He finally says what a lot of people in Aruba seemed to be thinking.

No value for human life.  How about if it were his own, I bet he would sing a different tune to that one.

Remember Jug begging CC to come clean and saying he held the key to it all???

Well, if they want "all this trouble" to stop, they know what to do.

.

[Tylergal]

heres another wonderful quote from POS charles croes

“That girl, Natalee, I wish she’d stayed home. I hope she’s found alive there. Because no one would care. No one. The kid is just not worth all this trouble, this heartache. Is Natalee worth it? Is she?” (Vanity Fair)” ~ Charles Croes

Obviously to an Aruban if she is human, animal and not coke or alcohol, or something they can beat or rape, they are worth nothing.  In Natalee's condition of demise, she would be worth nothing to Aruba, because they cannot drug her now, cannot beat her now, cannot rape her now and all that is left is for them to lie about her.  They are liars.  It is in their water.  It is in their genes. Their mothers are liars.  Their fathers are liars and all that came before them are liars and they love liars and they are related to liars and they speak with and marry liars and they prorcreate with liars and they are are drunken, doped-up pig liars.

[Kermit]

when was the mattress found. I have to go back...I thought I read something that idicated blood was compared to Deepaks...in my mind..it was as though they found blood in the car and were determining if it was Deepak. Going back to look..I'll be right back..

After the arrests, Dutch Marines began combing Black Mangrove Beach on Aruba's wind swept eastern tip. Police say a blood-stained mattress was discovered. But FBI tests ruled out any link to Natalee. It was not human blood.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/27/ltm.06.html

[klaasend]

when was the mattress found. I have to go back...I thought I read something that idicated blood was compared to Deepaks...in my mind..it was as though they found blood in the car and were determining if it was Deepak. Going back to look..I'll be right back..

I believe it was June 6th...I'll check

[Kermit]

Hello all!!
I am so far behind I could never catch up!!
Did you all discuss the following, if you did can you give me a summary or a link to read the discussion. This caught my eye because it said blood sample comparison so I am assuming there were 2 samples at least to compare...what were your ideas/views on this one:

Name/Fitle: Laboratory report (blood sample)
File No: 163a-bb-1426
Date: 09 June 2005
Pages: 2
Writer/initiator: Madeline A. Montgomery (Chemistry Unit 1)
Description: blood samples comparison
Source: FBI
Lab nr: 050609002KSNP
Location: Quantico,VA 22135

No major discussion that I recall.  Remember the blood samples all turned into cleaning fluid as if my magic.

We have been talking about the cars being switched mostly which sort of connects.

.

Here's a comment from the Dr. Phil show, January 2006, from the king of bullcrap himself, Steve Cohen. Still waiting for Steve to get back to us on whether that is Paulus in the casino video...

Don't think Steve was paid to stall the case, do ya? Keep the public at bay, make them think they're doing something.

"Dr. Phil asks him, “From your opinion, based on what
you know, do you believe that these boys are guilty of wrongdoing here?” Steve says that he does. “Do the prosecutors believe they are guilty of wrongdoing?” Steve says that they do. “Do you believe that [the boys] have available, intimate knowledge of what happened to her that night?” Again, Steve confirms that he does.

Steve explains, “Forensic materials continue to be collected. I think we’ve got our hands on some forensic material now that may actually open up the doors to the final results of this case.”

A year and three months later, where are those final results Steve?

Yeah and add to it this statement:

Kock said the trial could happen in June or July.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/2006/03/21/attorney-van-der-sloot-kalpoes-could-go-on-trial-this-summer/

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[Tylergal]

when was the mattress found. I have to go back...I thought I read something that idicated blood was compared to Deepaks...in my mind..it was as though they found blood in the car and were determining if it was Deepak. Going back to look..I'll be right back..

After the arrests, Dutch Marines began combing Black Mangrove Beach on Aruba's wind swept eastern tip. Police say a blood-stained mattress was discovered. But FBI tests ruled out any link to Natalee. It was not human blood.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/27/ltm.06.html

I assume that was the mattress from Joran's bedroom that had to be removed including the bed and all the contents save for the mattress that Deepak sat on which was in the floor.  I wonder if the "servants" had to clean the room (Joran's servants -- Deepak and Satish).  I would guess Satish stayed out of school to help clean the Sloots house.  The furniture that was delivered was probably to replace the bed where Natalee was murdered at the hands of Paulus once she threatened to go to police.

[ldstlou]

OK Klaas...you know me and computers..lol
It won't let me edit and paste so I need your help. But under the description you wrote of I think it sats technical docs they are asking for...it says Deepak's car was tested for blood the 9th...then the blood sample comaprison I stated above..and then the 10th they asked for Beth's blood...so it appears to me that they had to have found blood in the car to have something to do a "comparison" with

[klaasend]

when was the mattress found. I have to go back...I thought I read something that idicated blood was compared to Deepaks...in my mind..it was as though they found blood in the car and were determining if it was Deepak. Going back to look..I'll be right back..

I believe it was June 6th...I'll check

Sunday, June 5th:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158622,00.html

[oldfart]

Thanks Kermit..
But it did not tell me when Beth & Greta( ) made the trip to the Sloot house.

[Dayhiker]

heres another wonderful quote from POS charles croes

“That girl, Natalee, I wish she’d stayed home. I hope she’s found alive there. Because no one would care. No one. The kid is just not worth all this trouble, this heartache. Is Natalee worth it? Is she?” (Vanity Fair)” ~ Charles Croes

Charles needs to ask himself what his own life is worth? Can you put a dollar value on it for us, Charles? It's always been about money, tourist money. That's all Aruba cares about. They don't give a damn about Natalee. That's what Charles is saying here.

[Tylergal]

when was the mattress found. I have to go back...I thought I read something that idicated blood was compared to Deepaks...in my mind..it was as though they found blood in the car and were determining if it was Deepak. Going back to look..I'll be right back..

After the arrests, Dutch Marines began combing Black Mangrove Beach on Aruba's wind swept eastern tip. Police say a blood-stained mattress was discovered. But FBI tests ruled out any link to Natalee. It was not human blood.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/27/ltm.06.html

I guess this was where the Renfro got the idea to say that Natalee met a blue-eyed Marine. (postumously of course).

[Tamikosmom]

LIE..  How?  

Not get involved & push the issue or tell the truth... YUP could be.  they all do according to Mamma K.

I think it was an interview with Greta and also a PV (trying to go from memory).  I havent followed the case very closely the last several months so its gonna take me a little while to find this....

Nadira Ramirez
Dr. Phil Show

"Once Deepak and Satish got back, they had been arrested. They told you about not telling the truth about the Holiday Inn," the investigator probes.

Nadira responds, "Come on, we all lie. We all lie. As big people I know that I lie sometimes."

[klaasend]

OK Klaas...you know me and computers..lol
It won't let me edit and paste so I need your help. But under the description you wrote of I think it sats technical docs they are asking for...it says Deepak's car was tested for blood the 9th...then the blood sample comaprison I stated above..and then the 10th they asked for Beth's blood...so it appears to me that they had to have found blood in the car to have something to do a "comparison" with

Of course they found blood.  The FBI was there, they said it was blood.  It wasn't until samples of the interior were sent for testing to the NL and Quantico that it turned into chocolate and cleaning fluid.

[ldstlou]

when was the mattress found. I have to go back...I thought I read something that idicated blood was compared to Deepaks...in my mind..it was as though they found blood in the car and were determining if it was Deepak. Going back to look..I'll be right back..

I believe it was June 6th...I'll check

Sunday, June 5th:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158622,00.html

It couldn't be from the mattress, from how I read it, Beth was not asked for a sample until the 10th.

[Kat_Gram]

There was a shirt found from GVC's father's company and a mattress with dog blood. That MIGHT be the FBI blood tests.
Been reading the stuff from Joran's book. The description of Natalee before she got to Aruba ... the good stuff that they probably got from the Internet as it is public knoweldge. But then, her drinking and behaviour. Too bad there is a picture of Natalee looking very sober just before she went to C & C's. And the lady that was on the boat trip with Natalee on the Sunday says Natalee was subdued and not drinking. So, when did she do all this morning to night drinking ? She is not drunk in the casino, she is drinking water. Oh, she was drinking and drunk only when there were no cameras present AND this drinking and drunk could only be detected by ARUBANS ! !
What a load ! !

[blah]

heres another wonderful quote from POS charles croes

“That girl, Natalee, I wish she’d stayed home. I hope she’s found alive there. Because no one would care. No one. The kid is just not worth all this trouble, this heartache. Is Natalee worth it? Is she?” (Vanity Fair)” ~ Charles Croes

That's my all time fav CC quote.  He finally says what a lot of people in Aruba seemed to be thinking.

No value for human life.  How about if it were his own, I bet he would sing a different tune to that one.

Remember Jug begging CC to come clean and saying he held the key to it all???

Well, if they want "all this trouble" to stop, they know what to do.

.

are you trying to remember why they took the DNA from the J2K originally?  The original reason was to compare to the hair found on the duct tape at turtle beack.

"Now, so the authorities there, of course, want to get DNA samples and have gotten them from both the Kalpoe brothers, as well as Joran Van Der Sloot, so that they can compare this hair, found on the duct tape, with them, and, of course, they have samples from Natalee`s hair, to see whether there is any connection.

Now, what`s happened to them? I can tell you this: They have sent one sample to the Netherlands for the laboratory work to be done there. But also, I can tell you that the FBI tells me that, tonight, a sample was also shared with the FBI, and an FBI agent hand-carried it out of Aruba. And that is arriving at the FBI lab in Quantico, Virginia, this night. It`s expected they`ll begin test work on it first thing in the morning.:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/20/ng.01.html