Lively Case Discussion #617 5/10 - 5/11/2007

[Tylergal]

heres another wonderful quote from POS charles croes

“That girl, Natalee, I wish she’d stayed home. I hope she’s found alive there. Because no one would care. No one. The kid is just not worth all this trouble, this heartache. Is Natalee worth it? Is she?” (Vanity Fair)” ~ Charles Croes

Charles needs to ask himself what his own life is worth? Can you put a dollar value on it for us, Charles? It's always been about money, tourist money. That's all Aruba cares about. They don't give a damn about Natalee. That's what Charles is saying here.

What's the life of a John Cohey worth?  About the same as Charles Croes.

[yapperz1]

Hiya Monkeys

Rob, is this what you were talking about??

http://tinyurl.com/fgduq    comment #35

Simian said "There were 3 cars"

[Kermit]

Thanks Kermit..
But it did not tell me when Beth & Greta( ) made the trip to the Sloot house.

calling Janet...................what date was Beth and Greta at the vds?

[ldstlou]

OK Klaas...you know me and computers..lol
It won't let me edit and paste so I need your help. But under the description you wrote of I think it sats technical docs they are asking for...it says Deepak's car was tested for blood the 9th...then the blood sample comaprison I stated above..and then the 10th they asked for Beth's blood...so it appears to me that they had to have found blood in the car to have something to do a "comparison" with

Of course they found blood.  The FBI was there, they said it was blood.  It wasn't until samples of the interior were sent for testing to the NL and Quantico that it turned into chocolate and cleaning fluid.

WE know that...but others have disputed it...I just think this casts away any doubt

[blah]

heres another wonderful quote from POS charles croes

“That girl, Natalee, I wish she’d stayed home. I hope she’s found alive there. Because no one would care. No one. The kid is just not worth all this trouble, this heartache. Is Natalee worth it? Is she?” (Vanity Fair)” ~ Charles Croes

Obviously to an Aruban if she is human, animal and not coke or alcohol, or something they can beat or rape, they are worth nothing.  In Natalee's condition of demise, she would be worth nothing to Aruba, because they cannot drug her now, cannot beat her now, cannot rape her now and all that is left is for them to lie about her.  They are liars.  It is in their water.  It is in their genes. Their mothers are liars.  Their fathers are liars and all that came before them are liars and they love liars and they are related to liars and they speak with and marry liars and they prorcreate with liars and they are are drunken, doped-up pig liars.

these idiots are too stupid to figure out that they should have been asking themselves if Joran was worth it

[ldstlou]

There was a shirt found from GVC's father's company and a mattress with dog blood. That MIGHT be the FBI blood tests.
Been reading the stuff from Joran's book. The description of Natalee before she got to Aruba ... the good stuff that they probably got from the Internet as it is public knoweldge. But then, her drinking and behaviour. Too bad there is a picture of Natalee looking very sober just before she went to C & C's. And the lady that was on the boat trip with Natalee on the Sunday says Natalee was subdued and not drinking. So, when did she do all this morning to night drinking ? She is not drunk in the casino, she is drinking water. Oh, she was drinking and drunk only when there were no cameras present AND this drinking and drunk could only be detected by ARUBANS ! !
What a load ! !

But I think Beth was not asked for blood until the 10th

[klaasend]

Thanks Kermit..
But it did not tell me when Beth & Greta( ) made the trip to the Sloot house.

June 21, 2005:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160298,00.html

[Dayhiker]

Here's a comment from the Dr. Phil show, January 2006, from the king of bullcrap himself, Steve Cohen. Still waiting for Steve to get back to us on whether that is Paulus in the casino video...

Don't think Steve was paid to stall the case, do ya? Keep the public at bay, make them think they're doing something.

"Dr. Phil asks him, “From your opinion, based on what
you know, do you believe that these boys are guilty of wrongdoing here?” Steve says that he does. “Do the prosecutors believe they are guilty of wrongdoing?” Steve says that they do. “Do you believe that [the boys] have available, intimate knowledge of what happened to her that night?” Again, Steve confirms that he does.

Steve explains, “Forensic materials continue to be collected. I think we’ve got our hands on some forensic material now that may actually open up the doors to the final results of this case.”

A year and three months later, where are those final results Steve?

Yeah and add to it this statement:

Kock said the trial could happen in June or July.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/2006/03/21/attorney-van-der-sloot-kalpoes-could-go-on-trial-this-summer/

June 2006 came and went with a wimper Kermit. No fireworks. Cohen was sent out to make false promises due to the outrage over the judges releasing Joran. They thought the case would wash away with Hurricane Katrina but here it was back again in the media, so they send out the gray-haired fool to lie to the public.

[Anna]

O/T Catalina Island is burning - the fire is heading straight towards the only main city Avalon - all residents have been asked to evacuate to the beach.  

The fire is over 400 acres and growing.  I can see the smoke and Catalina Island from my home.

Be Safe!

Florida is burning, too.  I thought I heard they have a fire in every county now.  Surely that can't be right!  

[klaasend]

ldstlou - IMO, the FBI would not have told Beth there was blood in Deepak's car if there was any doubt.

[blah]

O/T Catalina Island is burning - the fire is heading straight towards the only main city Avalon - all residents have been asked to evacuate to the beach.  

The fire is over 400 acres and growing.  I can see the smoke and Catalina Island from my home.

Be Safe!

Florida is burning, too.  I thought I heard they have a fire in every county now.  Surely that can't be right!  

surprised Al Gore aint ALL OVER this!!      

[Observer]

when was the mattress found. I have to go back...I thought I read something that idicated blood was compared to Deepaks...in my mind..it was as though they found blood in the car and were determining if it was Deepak. Going back to look..I'll be right back..

After the arrests, Dutch Marines began combing Black Mangrove Beach on Aruba's wind swept eastern tip. Police say a blood-stained mattress was discovered. But FBI tests ruled out any link to Natalee. It was not human blood.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/27/ltm.06.html

I assume that was the mattress from Joran's bedroom that had to be removed including the bed and all the contents save for the mattress that Deepak sat on which was in the floor.  I wonder if the "servants" had to clean the room (Joran's servants -- Deepak and Satish).  I would guess Satish stayed out of school to help clean the Sloots house.  The furniture that was delivered was probably to replace the bed where Natalee was murdered at the hands of Paulus once she threatened to go to police.

I found deepaks description fishy as well when he had to siit on the floor. Still doesnt make sense to me. Quite possible that bed was removed out of jorans room is why he had to sit on the floor.  Deepshit and Satish both slept in to 12 and 1am. We know Joran lied about his events after school(After Waking up) as Art Wood looked into it.

I still wonder if joran catching the bus by lorenzo's house is fact or fiction??

[klaasend]

ROB - I can see Catalina from my house, it's only 26 miles away.  But...that 26 miles is all ocean    

Still looks like it's burning pretty bad.

[Dayhiker]

heres another wonderful quote from POS charles croes

“That girl, Natalee, I wish she’d stayed home. I hope she’s found alive there. Because no one would care. No one. The kid is just not worth all this trouble, this heartache. Is Natalee worth it? Is she?” (Vanity Fair)” ~ Charles Croes

Charles needs to ask himself what his own life is worth? Can you put a dollar value on it for us, Charles? It's always been about money, tourist money. That's all Aruba cares about. They don't give a damn about Natalee. That's what Charles is saying here.

What's the life of a John Cohey worth?  About the same as Charles Croes.

And all the other filth that have been involved in covering up this case. They are no better than the murderers themselves.

[Kat_Gram]

Doesn't this Chit from Joran wanna make you fly to Holland and just slap him until you have no more energy to slap him anymore ? Who does he think he is kidding with the bs about what a studly boy-man he is ?
And I think he is bragging !! ! He is quite proud of his drinking, gambling, girls with.. did this guy ever have a consequence ? Oh well, if you lose all yer money at the casino, you just get more from yer Papa and Mumma. And if they don't want to give it, you steal it. What are they going to do about it ? NADA !

[ldstlou]

ldstlou - IMO, the FBI would not have told Beth there was blood in Deepak's car if there was any doubt.

Klaas...I had heard this happened but I think there were discussions about it..so it wasn't that clear in my mind. But I think the following spells it out. Whatever they were comparing on the 9th...it wasn't Natalee to blood found on a matress or anywhere else because Beth and Dave did not have blood drawn until the 10th...and it is apparent...they were comparing two blood samples..not dna samples..but 2 blood samples on the 9th...the day they took swabs of deepaks car.
I quess...I remember talk about how they "covered up" the blood w/ chocolate and cleaning fluid...but there was no covering up...except at the lab. Now that is scary as crap to me!!

[ldstlou]

ldstlou - IMO, the FBI would not have told Beth there was blood in Deepak's car if there was any doubt.

Klaas...I had heard this happened but I think there were discussions about it..so it wasn't that clear in my mind. But I think the following spells it out. Whatever they were comparing on the 9th...it wasn't Natalee to blood found on a matress or anywhere else because Beth and Dave did not have blood drawn until the 10th...and it is apparent...they were comparing two blood samples..not dna samples..but 2 blood samples on the 9th...the day they took swabs of deepaks car.
I quess...I remember talk about how they "covered up" the blood w/ chocolate and cleaning fluid...but there was no covering up...except at the lab. Now that is scary as crap to me!!

oops...forgot this part!!
Location: Aruba/USA
Name/Fitle: Laboratory report (blood sample)
File No: 163a-bb-1426
Date: 09 June 2005
Pages: 2
Writer/initiator: Madeline A. Montgomery (Chemistry Unit 1)
Description: blood samples comparison
Source: FBI
Lab nr: 050609002KSNP
Location: Quantico,VA 22135
G€¢ Name/Title: Search for blood in Deepak Kalpoe's car
File No: none
Date: 9 June 2005 / 20:30
Pages: 3
32




Writer/Initiator: Scott Henri Hahn (FBI), R.C.B. Tromp, S. G Ras
Description: Blood Search in Deepak Kalpoes Car
Source: Technische Opsporings-en Herkenningsdienst
Lab nr: 663/2005
Location: Divisie Centrale Recherche, Aruba
G€¢ Name/Title: taking of swab samples, Blood samples from Beth Ann Twitty / Dave
Edward Holloway
File No: R00906/r00898 / b9109/b8987
Date: 10 June 2005 / 14:40
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Silvio Gilberto Ras
Description: Swab Samples, Blood samples from: Beth Ann Twitty I Dave
Edward Holloway
Source: Technische Opsporings-en Herkenningsdienst
Lab nr. 667/2005
Location: Aruba

[Tylergal]

Doesn't this Chit from Joran wanna make you fly to Holland and just slap him until you have no more energy to slap him anymore ? Who does he think he is kidding with the bs about what a studly boy-man he is ?
And I think he is bragging !! ! He is quite proud of his drinking, gambling, girls with.. did this guy ever have a consequence ? Oh well, if you lose all yer money at the casino, you just get more from yer Papa and Mumma. And if they don't want to give it, you steal it. What are they going to do about it ? NADA !

He thinks someone would want to read his book.  He thinks he is OJ.  He imagines that his minor league soccer game on an island the size of a professional football stadium in America is as important to the public as what OJ did before he became Joran's mentor.  Now, I would like to shove the two of them together in a burning ring of fire and throw gas on it.

[Easywriter]

Has Charles ever spent time on a balcony with Joran?

[Tylergal]

ldstlou - IMO, the FBI would not have told Beth there was blood in Deepak's car if there was any doubt.

Klaas...I had heard this happened but I think there were discussions about it..so it wasn't that clear in my mind. But I think the following spells it out. Whatever they were comparing on the 9th...it wasn't Natalee to blood found on a matress or anywhere else because Beth and Dave did not have blood drawn until the 10th...and it is apparent...they were comparing two blood samples..not dna samples..but 2 blood samples on the 9th...the day they took swabs of deepaks car.
I quess...I remember talk about how they "covered up" the blood w/ chocolate and cleaning fluid...but there was no covering up...except at the lab. Now that is scary as crap to me!!

oops...forgot this part!!
Location: Aruba/USA
Name/Fitle: Laboratory report (blood sample)
File No: 163a-bb-1426
Date: 09 June 2005
Pages: 2
Writer/initiator: Madeline A. Montgomery (Chemistry Unit 1)
Description: blood samples comparison
Source: FBI
Lab nr: 050609002KSNP
Location: Quantico,VA 22135
G€¢ Name/Title: Search for blood in Deepak Kalpoe's car
File No: none
Date: 9 June 2005 / 20:30
Pages: 3
32




Writer/Initiator: Scott Henri Hahn (FBI), R.C.B. Tromp, S. G Ras
Description: Blood Search in Deepak Kalpoes Car
Source: Technische Opsporings-en Herkenningsdienst
Lab nr: 663/2005
Location: Divisie Centrale Recherche, Aruba
G€¢ Name/Title: taking of swab samples, Blood samples from Beth Ann Twitty / Dave
Edward Holloway
File No: R00906/r00898 / b9109/b8987
Date: 10 June 2005 / 14:40
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Silvio Gilberto Ras
Description: Swab Samples, Blood samples from: Beth Ann Twitty I Dave
Edward Holloway
Source: Technische Opsporings-en Herkenningsdienst
Lab nr. 667/2005
Location: Aruba

That was all for show and tell.