Lively Case Discussion #617 5/10 - 5/11/2007

[ldstlou]

Here was my concern.
Dr. Phil's lawyers are asking for specific records of the FBI.
1 report which was 2 pages...was blood sample analysis.
another report which was 3 pages was based on the search for blood in Deepak's car.
Is it cooincidence that the same evening they tell Beth they found blood?
The blood sample analysis would have to two samples to compare.
Could it have been Deepak's they were comparing a sample to as a way to eliminate the blood being his?
The following day they ask Dave and Beth for blood samples.

Does the FBI in fact have proof that the blood was Natalee's?
Why would they tell Beth they thought Natalee was expired if they weren't sure.
How can the ALE...if in fact this is the case..be able to keep the FBI silent?

oops...I meant COMPARISON

[Anna]

Well, that does change it a bit!

I would think the blood samples are from the suspects, later Joran's to be thrown out when Paulus sneaked into the file and disposed of the judge's order for it.

JMO.

.

But why a comparison?

On file to compare with anything found later.

.

[Tibrogargan]

That fire looks frightening.  At the start of Grater's show they had aerial pics and it looked like the whole side of half of the island was ablaze.  Sure hope everyone is safe.

[klaasend]

Klaas,
How large is the entire island compared to the fire area?  I thought it was tiny.  Shouldn't those people leave?  Better now than in the dark???
.

No place to go except for on a boat

[Anna]

Here was my concern.
Dr. Phil's lawyers are asking for specific records of the FBI.
1 report which was 2 pages...was blood sample analysis.
another report which was 3 pages was based on the search for blood in Deepak's car.
Is it cooincidence that the same evening they tell Beth they found blood?
The blood sample analysis would have to two samples to compare.
Could it have been Deepak's they were comparing a sample to as a way to eliminate the blood being his?
The following day they ask Dave and Beth for blood samples.

Does the FBI in fact have proof that the blood was Natalee's?
Why would they tell Beth they thought Natalee was expired if they weren't sure.
How can the ALE...if in fact this is the case..be able to keep the FBI silent?

I don't think the FBI told Beth they found blood on the 9th.  I think they told her Joran confessed and was leading ALE to the body.

.

Where does it say they told Beth about the blood on the 9th?  I don't think so as she heard that from several sources not the least of which was Oduber himself.  I don't think all those people rushed to her room and said that just on the 9th.  She had been hearing it for some time.

On the 9th was the retracted confession and Dave was waiting to be led to the remains that Joran was taking ALE to find.

.

[ldstlou]

Well, that does change it a bit!

I would think the blood samples are from the suspects, later Joran's to be thrown out when Paulus sneaked into the file and disposed of the judge's order for it.

JMO.

.

But why a comparison?

On file to compare with anything found later.

I don't know Anna..the actualy description read blood sample comparisons. I would think it would read different...if it were just put on file to compare..because it read totally different the following day when they were collecting Beth and Dave's to put on file for later

.

[Anna]

Klaas,
How large is the entire island compared to the fire area?  I thought it was tiny.  Shouldn't those people leave?  Better now than in the dark???
.

No place to go except for on a boat

That's my point.  Mandatory evacuation BY BOAT and in the DARK would be really bad.

They should maybe leave now?  I don't think they can fight it well in the dark either.

.

[Observer]

Good pics klaas..  They have that fire contained at all??

Nope, not that I've read.  Looks like it's still growing and getting closer to Avalon.

WOW!! I wonder if they have the resources to stop it?

[ldstlou]

Here was my concern.
Dr. Phil's lawyers are asking for specific records of the FBI.
1 report which was 2 pages...was blood sample analysis.
another report which was 3 pages was based on the search for blood in Deepak's car.
Is it cooincidence that the same evening they tell Beth they found blood?
The blood sample analysis would have to two samples to compare.
Could it have been Deepak's they were comparing a sample to as a way to eliminate the blood being his?
The following day they ask Dave and Beth for blood samples.

Does the FBI in fact have proof that the blood was Natalee's?
Why would they tell Beth they thought Natalee was expired if they weren't sure.
How can the ALE...if in fact this is the case..be able to keep the FBI silent?

I don't think the FBI told Beth they found blood on the 9th.  I think they told her Joran confessed and was leading ALE to the body.

.

Where does it say they told Beth about the blood on the 9th?  I don't think so as she heard that from several sources not the least of which was Oduber himself.  I don't think all those people rushed to her room and said that just on the 9th.  She had been hearing it for some time.

On the 9th was the retracted confession and Dave was waiting to be led to the remains that Joran was taking ALE to find.

.

I am sorry...I thought it was the 9th that she was told they found blood...I am getting dates confused.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Klaas,
How large is the entire island compared to the fire area?  I thought it was tiny.  Shouldn't those people leave?  Better now than in the dark???
.

No place to go except for on a boat

 

[Anna]

Klaas,
Is the wind blowing hard and fanning it?  Fire spreads uphill 16 times faster than on level ground, too.  Looks like it is climbing that hill in the photo.

 

[Observer]

something made the investigators think that Joran drove a car that night

beause they were asking the k2 brothers



ladies and gentlemen, i give you

GUIDO

Yup..LOL..I would of liked to of heard his conversation with posner. Should be easy to prove this kid split town as fast as he could.

[Anna]

Well, that does change it a bit!

I would think the blood samples are from the suspects, later Joran's to be thrown out when Paulus sneaked into the file and disposed of the judge's order for it.

JMO.

.

But why a comparison?

On file to compare with anything found later.

I don't know Anna..the actualy description read blood sample comparisons. I would think it would read different...if it were just put on file to compare..because it read totally different the following day when they were collecting Beth and Dave's to put on file for later

.

They seemed to move on island time in slow mo.  Maybe the suspects samples were sent in anticipation of taking the swabs the next day or later some time.  Evidently many people saw the interior of the car long before it was confiscated.

I know that is wild and goes against everything we know about basic investigation 101 but they seemed to do things like that all the time.

Nothing was done in a normal and professional manner.  Remember these are the same jokers who didn't even do an examination of the suspects last seen with Natalee until ten days later.  No fingernail scrapings, did not take clothing and Joran did that GMA interview in the very shirt he wore that night or an identical one.

Not normal police procedure going on at all but you can bet FBI was NOT allowed to touch anything.  They could not even participate in questioning of suspects, could only watch and not say a word, etc.

.

[Tamikosmom]

ldstlou,
No, I don't think that ALE took the car into their possession before they took the swabs.

In fact, I think it was even later, like a week before they finally confiscated it.

.

So when was that?

Someone else prolly remembers better than I do.  Maybe the 16th of June.  I remember it as being the day the Sloot house was searched, 15-16 of June.  Didn't they search both houses the same day and take all three cars at the same time?

<snipped>

Anna ... the authorized search warrant included both residence as well as the property but at the time the warrant was being exercised ... Judge Bob Witt reduced the scope of the search to just Joran's apartment.

Janet


Fox News
June 15, 2005

Two police officers walked through the Van Der Sloot family's one-story, yellow-beige home, while others guarded the entranceway. A blue sport utility vehicle and a red Jeep were also towed from the property.


Beth Twitty
FOX NEWS
LIVE DESK w/Martha MacCallum - Nov. 28/06

BETH: Well I think they will always have to look at there were two personnel involved from the Aruban Justice Department and that is why we don’t have any evidence and that’s what Joran’s attorney will have to be reminded of. It’s because of Bob Witt and Ben King stopped the search warrants. It was made to initially search the entire area of Montanja 19 the garden, the buildings and everything but on the spot high ranking employee of the Justice Office Bob Witt reduced the search warrant to only the room of Joran so that’s why we don’t have any evidence because of involvement of the obstruction from the Aruban Justice Department personnel.

[Anna]

Janet,
Do you have the date Deepak's car was confiscated?  That might help lsstlou.

[robots]

the beauty is that there are some who covered stuff up,

well there are people that know that they covered it up, so when the person that knows about the cover up comes clean... all hell will break out



<----------waiting patiently for the DUTCH to get THAT person

 

[ldstlou]

ok...look at this one more time...I've added another...is it just me this raises eyebrows for? This time I noticed where the reports were done:

Name/Fitle: Laboratory report (blood sample)
File No: 163a-bb-1426
Date: 09 June 2005
Pages: 2
Writer/initiator: Madeline A. Montgomery (Chemistry Unit 1)
Description: blood samples comparison
Source: FBI
Lab nr: 050609002KSNP
Location: Quantico,VA 22135



G€¢ Name/Title: Search for blood in Deepak Kalpoe's car
File No: none
Date: 9 June 2005 / 20:30
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Scott Henri Hahn (FBI), R.C.B. Tromp, S. G Ras
Description: Blood Search in Deepak Kalpoes Car
Source: Technische Opsporings-en Herkenningsdienst
Lab nr: 663/2005
Location: Divisie Centrale Recherche, Aruba



G€¢ Name/Title: taking of swab samples, Blood samples from Beth Ann Twitty / Dave
Edward Holloway
File No: R00906/r00898 / b9109/b8987
Date: 10 June 2005 / 14:40
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Silvio Gilberto Ras
Description: Swab Samples, Blood samples from: Beth Ann Twitty I Dave
Edward Holloway
Source: Technische Opsporings-en Herkenningsdienst
Lab nr. 667/2005
Location: Aruba



Description: Search at the Fisherman's Huts (Marriot area)
G€¢ Name/Title: Laboratory report (DNA)
File No: 163a-bb-1426
Date: 15 June 2005
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Brendan F.Shea (DNA Analysis Unit 1)
Description: DNA samples compared
Source: FBI
Lab nr : 050611001KSRT
Location: Quantico,VA 22135

Some were clearly done at the FBI lab and is it me..or does it appear the one on the 9th was a report from samples that had been submiited..prior maybe for the report to be done?

[ldstlou]

ok...look at this one more time...I've added another...is it just me this raises eyebrows for? This time I noticed where the reports were done:

Name/Fitle: Laboratory report (blood sample)
File No: 163a-bb-1426
Date: 09 June 2005
Pages: 2
Writer/initiator: Madeline A. Montgomery (Chemistry Unit 1)
Description: blood samples comparison
Source: FBI
Lab nr: 050609002KSNP
Location: Quantico,VA 22135



G€¢ Name/Title: Search for blood in Deepak Kalpoe's car
File No: none
Date: 9 June 2005 / 20:30
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Scott Henri Hahn (FBI), R.C.B. Tromp, S. G Ras
Description: Blood Search in Deepak Kalpoes Car
Source: Technische Opsporings-en Herkenningsdienst
Lab nr: 663/2005
Location: Divisie Centrale Recherche, Aruba



G€¢ Name/Title: taking of swab samples, Blood samples from Beth Ann Twitty / Dave
Edward Holloway
File No: R00906/r00898 / b9109/b8987
Date: 10 June 2005 / 14:40
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Silvio Gilberto Ras
Description: Swab Samples, Blood samples from: Beth Ann Twitty I Dave
Edward Holloway
Source: Technische Opsporings-en Herkenningsdienst
Lab nr. 667/2005
Location: Aruba



Description: Search at the Fisherman's Huts (Marriot area)
G€¢ Name/Title: Laboratory report (DNA) [/u][/b]
File No: 163a-bb-1426
Date: 15 June 2005
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Brendan F.Shea (DNA Analysis Unit 1)
Description: DNA samples compared
Source: FBI
Lab nr : 050611001KSRT
Location: Quantico,VA 22135

Some were clearly done at the FBI lab and is it me..or does it appear the one on the 9th was a report from samples that had been submiited..prior maybe for the report to be done?

oops...that is an error...not part of the report on DNA analysis..sorry...getting tired.

[Tylergal]

I have a question, or maybe it's not.

Did Paulus and Anita ever reach out to Beth or Dave?

You all know the answer.

This case is closed.

I think Anita cried her eyes out for Natalee. Behind closed doors of course. That is the only time I have seen them with any emotion or care for what they did to this family. When the whole island was searching for NH..Paulus Lawyered up. They didn't even help look for Natalee because they knew where she was.


Paulus told dave he would do anything to protect his son..And he meant it

Are you serious here? You think Anita cried her eyes out for Natalee? The only part of Natalee going missing that she may have cried for is because of the extent it involved her son and family. Their lives were disrupted, and the interviews she gave and the things she did such as wear that braclet were for appearance sake only. Did she go out and search for Natalee? Did she even address her by her name when speaking about her?  RARELY

If she cried it was because she could not fit her big a** into Natalee's panties that she obviously had fondled and treasured, in order to be able to desribe them so well, knowing that the man she sleeps with murdered the girl whose panties will not fit her hand.

[klaasend]

Klaas,
Is the wind blowing hard and fanning it?  Fire spreads uphill 16 times faster than on level ground, too.  Looks like it is climbing that hill in the photo.

 

Wind is blowing not real hard but steady towards Avalon.  It's always a bit windier out there.