Lively Case Discussion #617 5/10 - 5/11/2007

[oldfart]

Hi everyone, still getting caught up from today's posts (and probably won't finish tonight) but I have a real out-of-the-box thought.

When the H-T family arrived and started asking local kids about the car, they all said the car was Joran's. They associated that car with Joran, or with his circle of perps. Not necessarily Deepak, who they all also knew. None of them made a connection of the car to Deepak and ownership.

Joran could not have owned a car in Aruba. He could not "hold title" to one.

What proof do we have that Deepak, in fact, owned and held title to the silver car? AS IN MVR RECORDS OR THE ARUBAN EQUIVALENT? TITLE? REGISTRATION? TAGS IN NAME OF?

We have plenty of evidence that Automobile Enterprises was a shop that did body and interior "change-outs" routinely.

Deepak's dad was a car lot owner. He could have access to any number of vehicles.

We have seen multiple pictures of silver Hondas all over that island with every kind of grill/wheel/spoiler option you can think of.
JMO

To put this together in a nutshell...

I am wondering if "Deepak's Car" is not just a lease/borrow/motor pool situation and that he could have access to several nearly identical vehicles simultaneously. That means the evidentiary bait-and-switch would be an easy matter, and the conflicting test results would be perfectly understandable... they tested the car Deepak used Saturday night and spilled chocolate in, NOT the Natalee car. That one was getting the Royal Treatment in the detail shop.

Someone have any access at all to Aruba's registration/MVR system? Show us PROOF that Deepak in fact actually held title to a silver car... THE silver car.

Something tells me it won't be found, because it is not there.

SB
I'm speculating .... but  I think I read (some where) the Deepaks ride was unique..  If you look at the pics  esp on the flat bed truck .. it only has about 3-4 inch ground clearance..

And I do think Joarn & others (that we do not know about ).. used Deepak as the "We need a ride guy" and that made him feel as part on the IN-Group

[robots]

The suspect was shown/informed that he had stated that he and the girl went for a walk. And that there was a statement of someone that saw Deepak Kalpoe's car at a location that was several hundred yards away from the Fishermans hut.
He was asked about the logic of this and other issues and whether he can explain why he was there with the other boys in that particular location.
The suspect did not respond.
 

[Tylergal]

Hi everyone, still getting caught up from today's posts (and probably won't finish tonight) but I have a real out-of-the-box thought.

When the H-T family arrived and started asking local kids about the car, they all said the car was Joran's. They associated that car with Joran, or with his circle of perps. Not necessarily Deepak, who they all also knew. None of them made a connection of the car to Deepak and ownership.

Joran could not have owned a car in Aruba. He could not "hold title" to one.

What proof do we have that Deepak, in fact, owned and held title to the silver car? AS IN MVR RECORDS OR THE ARUBAN EQUIVALENT? TITLE? REGISTRATION? TAGS IN NAME OF?

We have plenty of evidence that Automobile Enterprises was a shop that did body and interior "change-outs" routinely.

Deepak's dad was a car lot owner. He could have access to any number of vehicles.

We have seen multiple pictures of silver Hondas all over that island with every kind of grill/wheel/spoiler option you can think of.

To put this together in a nutshell...

I am wondering if "Deepak's Car" is not just a lease/borrow/motor pool situation and that he could have access to several nearly identical vehicles simultaneously. That means the evidentiary bait-and-switch would be an easy matter, and the conflicting test results would be perfectly understandable... they tested the car Deepak used Saturday night and spilled chocolate in, NOT the Natalee car. That one was getting the Royal Treatment in the detail shop.

Someone have any access at all to Aruba's registration/MVR system? Show us PROOF that Deepak in fact actually held title to a silver car... THE silver car.

Something tells me it won't be found, because it is not there.

Lord, I have been belaboring that point all day.  Thank you, SB, for agreeing with me.  Have you read back from lunch to now.

[Tylergal]

SB - I don't think there's anything like a motor vehicles in Aruba that we can get info from.  I remember we tried that in the beginning of the case.

Like I said earlier today, I had someone who is involved with rental vehicles the world-wide working on it, and this person just became exasperated and figured some of the rental car places are fronting for something else, maybe human trafficking, maybe drug trafficking, and this person was unable to ascertain much of anything but something crooked was going on over there.

[Anna]

I don't believe Deepak's car was unique but that they want us to think that.  It had a loud muffler MAYBE but other than this, I think the stuff in it might be considered fairly normal.  Two video screens is a lot I will admit but all that could just be switched from one car to another easily if one had access to a lot full of them.

Then barge away the "real" car through stepdaddy's import/export business.  It's probably in Brazil by now.  

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[oldfart]

klaas, I really am wondering now if there was not a "Posner's Rent-A-Car" business (in fact if not in name LOL) on the island which supplied wheels to the teen contingent of the payroll for their exploits.

You mean the rental cars with the DVD players for their porn videos?  Maybe  

Didn't Joarn mention something in his book about Deepak having TWO video screens in his car..?

I think ALE got the correct car... It was only 9 Days to late.  

[IBE]

Hover (sp) craft from the Marine's Camp Pentleton (sp) good! Hope they hurry.

[Anna]

SB - I don't think there's anything like a motor vehicles in Aruba that we can get info from.  I remember we tried that in the beginning of the case.

Like I said earlier today, I had someone who is involved with rental vehicles the world-wide working on it, and this person just became exasperated and figured some of the rental car places are fronting for something else, maybe human trafficking, maybe drug trafficking, and this person was unable to ascertain much of anything but something crooked was going on over there.

Remember that strange photo of the girl smushed into the dashboard?

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[Tylergal]

klaas, I really am wondering now if there was not a "Posner's Rent-A-Car" business (in fact if not in name LOL) on the island which supplied wheels to the teen contingent of the payroll for their exploits.

My understanding is that it is probably mroe than one shady place fronting for illegal activity and one of them was registered to a Surinamese but was sold about 8/05.  This is not the one people are claiming belonged to Lorenzo, which I never heard about back then, just today.

[Tylergal]

Hi everyone, still getting caught up from today's posts (and probably won't finish tonight) but I have a real out-of-the-box thought.

When the H-T family arrived and started asking local kids about the car, they all said the car was Joran's. They associated that car with Joran, or with his circle of perps. Not necessarily Deepak, who they all also knew. None of them made a connection of the car to Deepak and ownership.

Joran could not have owned a car in Aruba. He could not "hold title" to one.

What proof do we have that Deepak, in fact, owned and held title to the silver car? AS IN MVR RECORDS OR THE ARUBAN EQUIVALENT? TITLE? REGISTRATION? TAGS IN NAME OF?

We have plenty of evidence that Automobile Enterprises was a shop that did body and interior "change-outs" routinely.

Deepak's dad was a car lot owner. He could have access to any number of vehicles.

We have seen multiple pictures of silver Hondas all over that island with every kind of grill/wheel/spoiler option you can think of.

To put this together in a nutshell...

I am wondering if "Deepak's Car" is not just a lease/borrow/motor pool situation and that he could have access to several nearly identical vehicles simultaneously. That means the evidentiary bait-and-switch would be an easy matter, and the conflicting test results would be perfectly understandable... they tested the car Deepak used Saturday night and spilled chocolate in, NOT the Natalee car. That one was getting the Royal Treatment in the detail shop.

Someone have any access at all to Aruba's registration/MVR system? Show us PROOF that Deepak in fact actually held title to a silver car... THE silver car.

Something tells me it won't be found, because it is not there.

Exactly SB, this has been the claim we have tried to make for some time.  The only proof we have that Deepak owned any car at all is his trying to sell one later.

But it could be any car that fit the description.

And they claim his was unique but there was a FP poster who posted a link to a Youtube one day to show bad behavior of supposedly American tourist and at the end of it, it showed car after car squealing tires taking off with loud mufflers and all decked out with stuff just the same way Deepak has his all tackyed up.  I think the squeling tires was outside C&C but bet Klaas remembers what vid I am talking about, buncha tacky cars that have loud mufflers, etc.  Very common I think.

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Which makes me wonder again about this car, the one with the chunk out of the steering wheel.

Let's assume someone was in pain or seizing, they could bite that chunk out of that steering wheel.

[sb]

Tylergal, I haven't seen your post from today yet, but you are right down the middle with what I am thinking.

The great big, dark, dirty, nebulous "Something" that is behind all this on Aruba (and eslewhere) also runs its own MOTOR POOL.

[IBE]

Good, est. 560 having been evacuated so far. Prayer would be good now for there is no way out but by boat. IMO

[Angiex911dsptchr]

I quess it's just me then...I just find it curious...to say the least...that the FBI were doing blood comparisons on the 9th of June, before Beth or Dave had given any samples of their own...same day the search of Deepak's car was done.

I don't think Deepak's car was searched on the 9th.  Was the 15th I think it was confiscated and sent supposedly to the Netherlands.  I wonder what the freight bill on that was!  And prolly not even the same car as he had plenty of time to switch or switch interiors.

To take swabs, I think somebody like Dennis Jacobs or one of those people who put on the bunny suits for our benefit just took a Q Tip and rubbed on a dark spot in the interior.

Car was not really searched in Aruba.  Apparently.

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so then why the reports in the lawsuit?

They want to know what they say, any results from the swabs I suppose.  These are the ones that reportedly came back as choc and cleaning fluid.  Want to present this to a jury, etc.

Same reason they ask for all the reports.

But supposedly Oduber saw it, FBI agent saw it and member of ALE saw it and all told the family this but I doubt at the same time on a certain date and it was rumor until the test came back and then it was not blood any more.

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no Anna...they are not referring to the chocolate...on the 9th...fbi did a blood sample comparison...not dna..not a swab..it says blood blood sample comparison.
I give up...I must be reading too much into it...but it has nothing to do with the chocolate.

 When you catch up sometime Ldstlou.. read this?  I haven't anyone respond to this document here  yet that was put out by Freebirds.
 It is very interesting. I posted a page or so back. But maybe other missed or ignored it?

[Tylergal]

SB - I don't think there's anything like a motor vehicles in Aruba that we can get info from.  I remember we tried that in the beginning of the case.

Like I said earlier today, I had someone who is involved with rental vehicles the world-wide working on it, and this person just became exasperated and figured some of the rental car places are fronting for something else, maybe human trafficking, maybe drug trafficking, and this person was unable to ascertain much of anything but something crooked was going on over there.

Remember that strange photo of the girl smushed into the dashboard?

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Yes, indeed.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

 Sorry forgot the post Ldstlou


Blood – Not Cleaning Fluid

The Perfection of the Misinformation Campaign


Is it any wonder the Holloway/Twitty families have been so frustrated since the beginning of this “investigation” by Aruba into their daughter’s disappearance?

On June 9, 2005 Joran van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe, and Satish Kalpoe were arrested for pre-trial detention as suspects in Natalee’s disappearance.

On that same day, Aruban officials impounded Deepak Kalpoe’s car.

At approximately 8:30 that night, a search for blood was conducted inside that vehicle. That same day, FBI officials compiled a report of blood sample comparisons from their findings in that car.

One week later, DNA lab results came back from the FBI’s forensic laboratory in Quantico.

Pure logic tells us that if there was not blood found in the car –a comparison couldn’t be made.

Neither could a DNA report have been generated by the FBI.

From the Aruban case file log:

Search for blood in Deepak Kalpoe's car
June 9, 2005
3 page report
Divisie Centrale Recherche, Aruba

Laboratory Report (blood sample)
June 9, 2005
Blood Samples COMPARISON
FBI – Quantico


The "Diario," a local daily newspaper, is reporting that a human blood sample found in a car at the residence of one of the teens in custody — the 17-year-old son of a high-ranking island judicuary official — is now being sent to the U.S. and will be tested for a possible match to Natalee, whose mother gave a blood sample to investigators.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159252,00.html


The next day, June 10, 2005, DNA samples were taken from Beth Twitty and Dave Holloway in Aruba.

From the Aruban case file log:

Taking of swab samples, blood samples from Beth Ann Twitty/Dave Edward Holloway
10 June 2005
Aruba

June 10, 2005 brought us another important occurrence in this case – a confession was made by one of the suspects arrested the previous day.

Chief of Police, Gerold Dompig

CBS NEWS
June 10, 2005

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/10/national/main700829.shtml

Holloway's family rushed late Friday to an old stone lighthouse beside Arisha beach after Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig told The Associated Press that one of three young men in custody admitted that "something bad happened" to Holloway and was leading police to the scene of the alleged crime.

Paul Reynolds - Natalee Holloway's Uncle

'Scarborough Country'
July 12, 2005

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551822

PAUL REYNOLDS, UNCLE OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I know that my sister had a meeting with the FBI June 10, Friday. And from that meeting, she became convinced that Natalee was no longer alive. She called her mother and told her that. And our family was—was—began the grieving process.


However, if Aruban spokespeople were to be believed, there was not blood, but rather cleaning fluid found inside Deepak’s car – and the confession was merely a “misinformation campaign.”

FOX NEWS
June 11, 2005

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159252,00.html

David Cruz, a spokesman for the Aruban Minister of Justice (search) told FOX News Natalee Holloway (search), who was on vacation with friends with a graduation trip when she disappeared, was confirmed dead and that authorities knew the location of her body.

However, Cruz later retracted the statement, saying he was a victim of a "misinformation campaign."


Jug Twitty
'Scarborough Country'
July 1, 2005
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8485048/

TWITTY: If they let them walk on this island after what Beth and I know, there's a lot of information that we have that we cannot share, because it would jeopardize the investigation. But if they let them walk, we can share it. And it would be devastating. The United States, the world will be amazed.

Amazing indeed!



Natalee and her family deserve justice, and we will not let up until they have it!

Natalee's Freebirds

[klaasend]

Good, est. 560 having been evacuated so far. Prayer would be good now for there is no way out but by boat. IMO

Right IBE but there is escape from the flames if necessary to save life.  Unfortunately the areas of escape would be without shelter or power.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

YAPPERZ you got mail..

[Anna]

Actually, I saved it ANGIE!

  Just didn't say anything.  Tired.  Plumber didn't show up so I am having to do dog dishes by hand as dishwasher won't work with cold water, etc.  

My water heater is broken.  Glad it is so hot I don't mind cold water.

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[sb]

The kind of people we are talking about routinely "sanitize" firearms by filing off the serial numbers.

I suspect they have a fleet of untraceable cars with VIN's and engine ID's all obliterated. It's only illegal if gov't officials don't WANT you to do it, which is rather a moot point on Aruba.  

[Observer]

Hi everyone, still getting caught up from today's posts (and probably won't finish tonight) but I have a real out-of-the-box thought.

When the H-T family arrived and started asking local kids about the car, they all said the car was Joran's. They associated that car with Joran, or with his circle of perps. Not necessarily Deepak, who they all also knew. None of them made a connection of the car to Deepak and ownership.

Joran could not have owned a car in Aruba. He could not "hold title" to one.

What proof do we have that Deepak, in fact, owned and held title to the silver car? AS IN MVR RECORDS OR THE ARUBAN EQUIVALENT? TITLE? REGISTRATION? TAGS IN NAME OF?

We have plenty of evidence that Automobile Enterprises was a shop that did body and interior "change-outs" routinely.

Deepak's dad was a car lot owner. He could have access to any number of vehicles.

We have seen multiple pictures of silver Hondas all over that island with every kind of grill/wheel/spoiler option you can think of.

To put this together in a nutshell...

I am wondering if "Deepak's Car" is not just a lease/borrow/motor pool situation and that he could have access to several nearly identical vehicles simultaneously. That means the evidentiary bait-and-switch would be an easy matter, and the conflicting test results would be perfectly understandable... they tested the car Deepak used Saturday night and spilled chocolate in, NOT the Natalee car. That one was getting the Royal Treatment in the detail shop.

Someone have any access at all to Aruba's registration/MVR system? Show us PROOF that Deepak in fact actually held title to a silver car... THE silver car.

Something tells me it won't be found, because it is not there.

Exactly SB, this has been the claim we have tried to make for some time.  The only proof we have that Deepak owned any car at all is his trying to sell one later.

But it could be any car that fit the description.

And they claim his was unique but there was a FP poster who posted a link to a Youtube one day to show bad behavior of supposedly American tourist and at the end of it, it showed car after car squealing tires taking off with loud mufflers and all decked out with stuff just the same way Deepak has his all tackyed up.  I think the squeling tires was outside C&C but bet Klaas remembers what vid I am talking about, buncha tacky cars that have loud mufflers, etc.  Very common I think.

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Which makes me wonder again about this car, the one with the chunk out of the steering wheel.

Is that the same car at the ROCKS or Freddys driveway?