Lively Case Discussion #617 5/10 - 5/11/2007

[crazybabyborg]

I gotta get going, but Is everyone sure that's the same white shirt? Now that I look closely, the van shirt could be a henley, I think. I can't actually see a coller.

[IndyDan]

I'm not sure that Lorenzo is such a red herring.  Paulus and Anita didn't marry until Joran was two.  I don't have a problem with Paulus sleeping with a friend's wife before during or after the marriage. Seems to be acceptable family behavior.  It could be a family thing to live/move by the conquests.  Maybe it was a foursome and that's why Lorenzo's dad commited suicide...one more night with Anita...

LOL!!  Maybe that's why they are all drunks as well, wouldn't you be if you had to climb into bed with Saggy Sloot?

Are you by chance from Ohio, Buckeye?

[Buckeye]

I'm not sure that Lorenzo is such a red herring.  Paulus and Anita didn't marry until Joran was two.  I don't have a problem with Paulus sleeping with a friend's wife before during or after the marriage. Seems to be acceptable family behavior.  It could be a family thing to live/move by the conquests.  Maybe it was a foursome and that's why Lorenzo's dad commited suicide...one more night with Anita...

LOL!!  Maybe that's why they are all drunks as well, wouldn't you be if you had to climb into bed with Saggy Sloot?

Are you by chance from Ohio, Buckeye?

Originally...now in Hoosierland..

[sharon]

San is correct -- look at the receding hairline of the van driver.

Not even close to the other 'pictures' we are told are L -- walking in a garden setting with another woman and man.

So which one is it? The one driving the van that has the hairline and ears and shape of face and age of Paulus?

Or the one much younger guy walkng in the garden?

If had had to choose I would say the one walking in the garden.

I agree -- that is, if he even exists  

The male driving the van looks like Paulus.

Maybe it's an older picture -- of a younger Paulus. It resembles Joran -- but it looks like Paulus (if that makes any sense).

Maybe it's an old picture of Paulus when he was a hippy and believed in free love. Oh, wait! He still believes it's out there for his taking  

Who is 'peeps' and would he have any reason to tell the truth??

[Rob]

Back when I had a source or two on Aruba... one of them...(the son of a former polis official) told me Lorenzo cried like a baby when he was questioned...

1 he cried like a baby because he was telling the truth and had nothing to do with the case, and they won't believe him.

2 he cried like a baby because he was caught.

take your pick... I have no idea if he is involved or not....

I do know he was questioned and searched.

[blah]

not long after that I met Susana. She is a very sweet girl with whom Joran was for 6 months. Joran went to a boat party one night with loads of cheap booze, he got very drunk and vomited. He was very sleepy but had no transport home so he called his mom to come and pick him up. In the middle of the night she drove down there to pick him up. It took 10 minutes for her to get there and Joran was sitting outside, sleepily, propped up by Susan who took care of him till his mom got there. His mom was happy that he had called but also angry and disappointed. It was the first time she saw Joran drunk.



not the only time a SLOOT went to pick him up

man, i hate him

but didnt Joran say he didnt like going on boats?

[Tiger]

are there any men on aruba?i only have a second,but what is going on in aruba isn't normal.

[Anna]

Back when I had a source or two on Aruba... one of them...(the son of a former polis official) told me Lorenzo cried like a baby when he was questioned...

1 he cried like a baby because he was telling the truth and had nothing to do with the case, and they won't believe him.

2 he cried like a baby because he was caught.

take your pick... I have no idea if he is involved or not....

I do know he was questioned and searched.

Rob,
I pick #1 because I think he is a baby, mama's boy, takes her with him to get that four wheeler repaired?  And his knee is almost up her butt in that garden photo he is FOLLOWING so closely, not leading as one would expect from such a wild man drug dealing rave throwing party guy.

I suspect his rave parties consist of four or five guys playing video games, eating pizza and drinking beer.  They might listen to techno music.


JANET,

Wasn't Dave told Lorenzo had nothing at all to do with this and said so in that same interview you quoted?

I think ALE investigated like little old ladies~they took the rumors on the internet and given to them by JR and other misinformation agents and tried to track them down.  They did very little independent actual investigation.

This is one thing I am waiting to see if Joran addresses in his book.  Julia also tried to get that goofy looking Leon von Loon involved as well.  They were throwing things out to see if anything would stick.

But I remain open to any proof Lorenzo is involved. I think we took off after him when Tito called Guido Lorenzo Wever.  Been stalking him ever since.  I just haven't seen any proof he is any body's illegitimate anything or involved in any way other than rumors.  

But I will concede anything is possible including every rumor about him being true.  For now, I don't consider him involved but others have the same right to think he is.  And I read and consider their reasoning seriously and respect that POV  and those who have it for I once thought that he might be involved as well.

.

[Anna]

not long after that I met Susana. She is a very sweet girl with whom Joran was for 6 months. Joran went to a boat party one night with loads of cheap booze, he got very drunk and vomited. He was very sleepy but had no transport home so he called his mom to come and pick him up. In the middle of the night she drove down there to pick him up. It took 10 minutes for her to get there and Joran was sitting outside, sleepily, propped up by Susan who took care of him till his mom got there. His mom was happy that he had called but also angry and disappointed. It was the first time she saw Joran drunk.



not the only time a SLOOT went to pick him up

man, i hate him

but didnt Joran say he didnt like going on boats?

Sander Gottenbos said Joran got seasick.

.

[Anna]

O/T

The Governator is giving news conference on the Catalina fire right now.

.

[Nut44x4]

When I Called The Casino At The Holiday Inn, I Asked If I Could

Get A Seat In The FREE SUNDAY NIGHT TEXAS HOLDUM Tournament

I Was Told That Such A Tournament DOES NOT EXIST...

Its A Buy In Tournament.

 

  Imagine that.....yet another lie from the buttwiper.....This is beyond pathetic    I can't wait for the these pigs GO DOWN!! Justice for Natalee and peace of mind for her family and friends. Bring her home, at least then there would be some type of 'closure', but the heartache will always remain...  

[Spock]

Spock addresses the computer:

"Computer, any updates on the NH dissapearance?"

[Spock]

Spock addresses the computer:

"Computer, any updates on the NH dissapearance?"

"Computer, any updates on the Dutch investigative team"

inquiry 1:  "Negative"
inquiry 2:  "Coppertone"

[Tamikosmom]

Back when I had a source or two on Aruba... one of them...(the son of a former polis official) told me Lorenzo cried like a baby when he was questioned...

1 he cried like a baby because he was telling the truth and had nothing to do with the case, and they won't believe him.

2 he cried like a baby because he was caught.

take your pick... I have no idea if he is involved or not....

I do know he was questioned and searched.

Rob,
I pick #1 because I think he is a baby, mama's boy, takes her with him to get that four wheeler repaired?  And his knee is almost up her butt in that garden photo he is FOLLOWING so closely, not leading as one would expect from such a wild man drug dealing rave throwing party guy.

I suspect his rave parties consist of four or five guys playing video games, eating pizza and drinking beer.  They might listen to techno music.


JANET,

Wasn't Dave told Lorenzo had nothing at all to do with this and said so in that same interview you quoted?

I think ALE investigated like little old ladies~they took the rumors on the internet and given to them by JR and other misinformation agents and tried to track them down.  They did very little independent actual investigation.

This is one thing I am waiting to see if Joran addresses in his book.  Julia also tried to get that goofy looking Leon von Loon involved as well.  They were throwing things out to see if anything would stick.

But I remain open to any proof Lorenzo is involved. I think we took off after him when Tito called Guido Lorenzo Wever.  Been stalking him ever since.  I just haven't seen any proof he is any body's illegitimate anything or involved in any way other than rumors.  

But I will concede anything is possible including every rumor about him being true.  For now, I don't consider him involved but others have the same right to think he is.  And I read and consider their reasoning seriously and respect that POV  and those who have it for I once thought that he might be involved as well.

.

Anna ... Dennis Jacobs had ruled Lorenzo out as a suspect ... not Dave Holloway.

Janet


Debbie (BFN)
June 23, 2006

I presented to Dave Holloway a list of question given to me by some of Blogs for Natalee's Chat Room participants.

Below are the answers to the questions that Dave could answer at this time. Some questions presented could not be answered due to the ongoing investigation.


2. What do they know about Lorenzo Van Rijn? Why is his name Voodoo to the Arubans?

DAVE:  Lorenzo is believed to be the Ecstasy dealer in Aruba. Detective Jacobs as ruled him out as a suspect.

<snipped>

13. Do you know why Lorenzo van Rijn was picked up for questioning early on?

DAVE:  Any name that is mentioned in the interrogation was called in for questioning.


14. Why was the school bus driver called the next morning and told to pick up Joran at Lorenzo's house?

DAVE:  Joran was allegedly dropped off at a bus stop on the main highway. The bus driver had not made it there yet and saved Paulus about 30 minutes. Lorenzo's house was nearby.

[Tamikosmom]

Anna ... I wonder who mentioned Lorenzo's name during interrogations and ... why?

Janet


Debbie (BFN)
January 23, 2005

I presented to Dave Holloway a list of question given to me by some of Blogs for Natalee's Chat Room participants.

Below are the answers to the questions that Dave could answer at this time. Some questions presented could not be answered due to the ongoing investigation.

13. Do you know why Lorenzo van Rijn was picked up for questioning early on?

DAVE:  Any name that is mentioned in the interrogation was called in for questioning.

[Rob]

The task force removed the page for Natalee.

http://www.aruba.com/nholloway/taskforce.htm

[Spock]

Janet, do you have a link to the full list of Q&A?

[Anna]

Back when I had a source or two on Aruba... one of them...(the son of a former polis official) told me Lorenzo cried like a baby when he was questioned...

1 he cried like a baby because he was telling the truth and had nothing to do with the case, and they won't believe him.

2 he cried like a baby because he was caught.

take your pick... I have no idea if he is involved or not....

I do know he was questioned and searched.

Rob,
I pick #1 because I think he is a baby, mama's boy, takes her with him to get that four wheeler repaired?  And his knee is almost up her butt in that garden photo he is FOLLOWING so closely, not leading as one would expect from such a wild man drug dealing rave throwing party guy.

I suspect his rave parties consist of four or five guys playing video games, eating pizza and drinking beer.  They might listen to techno music.


JANET,

Wasn't Dave told Lorenzo had nothing at all to do with this and said so in that same interview you quoted?
I think ALE investigated like little old ladies~they took the rumors on the internet and given to them by JR and other misinformation agents and tried to track them down.  They did very little independent actual investigation.

This is one thing I am waiting to see if Joran addresses in his book.  Julia also tried to get that goofy looking Leon von Loon involved as well.  They were throwing things out to see if anything would stick.

But I remain open to any proof Lorenzo is involved. I think we took off after him when Tito called Guido Lorenzo Wever.  Been stalking him ever since.  I just haven't seen any proof he is any body's illegitimate anything or involved in any way other than rumors.  

But I will concede anything is possible including every rumor about him being true.  For now, I don't consider him involved but others have the same right to think he is.  And I read and consider their reasoning seriously and respect that POV  and those who have it for I once thought that he might be involved as well.

.

Anna ... Dennis Jacobs had ruled Lorenzo out as a suspect ... not Dave Holloway.

Janet


Debbie (BFN)
June 23, 2006

I presented to Dave Holloway a list of question given to me by some of Blogs for Natalee's Chat Room participants.

Below are the answers to the questions that Dave could answer at this time. Some questions presented could not be answered due to the ongoing investigation.


2. What do they know about Lorenzo Van Rijn? Why is his name Voodoo to the Arubans?

DAVE:  Lorenzo is believed to be the Ecstasy dealer in Aruba. Detective Jacobs as ruled him out as a suspect.

<snipped>

13. Do you know why Lorenzo van Rijn was picked up for questioning early on?

DAVE:  Any name that is mentioned in the interrogation was called in for questioning.


14. Why was the school bus driver called the next morning and told to pick up Joran at Lorenzo's house?

DAVE:  Joran was allegedly dropped off at a bus stop on the main highway. The bus driver had not made it there yet and saved Paulus about 30 minutes. Lorenzo's house was nearby.

Yes, Janet, that is exactly what I said, Dave was TOLD Lorenzo was ruled out.  I did not say Dave said it on his own.
.

[oldfart]

Hi Monkeys  

Anything exciting going on today  

[Tamikosmom]

Back when I had a source or two on Aruba... one of them...(the son of a former polis official) told me Lorenzo cried like a baby when he was questioned...

1 he cried like a baby because he was telling the truth and had nothing to do with the case, and they won't believe him.

2 he cried like a baby because he was caught.

take your pick... I have no idea if he is involved or not....

I do know he was questioned and searched.

Rob,
I pick #1 because I think he is a baby, mama's boy, takes her with him to get that four wheeler repaired?  And his knee is almost up her butt in that garden photo he is FOLLOWING so closely, not leading as one would expect from such a wild man drug dealing rave throwing party guy.

I suspect his rave parties consist of four or five guys playing video games, eating pizza and drinking beer.  They might listen to techno music.


JANET,

Wasn't Dave told Lorenzo had nothing at all to do with this and said so in that same interview you quoted?
I think ALE investigated like little old ladies~they took the rumors on the internet and given to them by JR and other misinformation agents and tried to track them down.  They did very little independent actual investigation.

This is one thing I am waiting to see if Joran addresses in his book.  Julia also tried to get that goofy looking Leon von Loon involved as well.  They were throwing things out to see if anything would stick.

But I remain open to any proof Lorenzo is involved. I think we took off after him when Tito called Guido Lorenzo Wever.  Been stalking him ever since.  I just haven't seen any proof he is any body's illegitimate anything or involved in any way other than rumors.  

But I will concede anything is possible including every rumor about him being true.  For now, I don't consider him involved but others have the same right to think he is.  And I read and consider their reasoning seriously and respect that POV  and those who have it for I once thought that he might be involved as well.

.

Anna ... Dennis Jacobs had ruled Lorenzo out as a suspect ... not Dave Holloway.

Janet


Debbie (BFN)
June 23, 2006

I presented to Dave Holloway a list of question given to me by some of Blogs for Natalee's Chat Room participants.

Below are the answers to the questions that Dave could answer at this time. Some questions presented could not be answered due to the ongoing investigation.


2. What do they know about Lorenzo Van Rijn? Why is his name Voodoo to the Arubans?

DAVE:  Lorenzo is believed to be the Ecstasy dealer in Aruba. Detective Jacobs as ruled him out as a suspect.

<snipped>

13. Do you know why Lorenzo van Rijn was picked up for questioning early on?

DAVE:  Any name that is mentioned in the interrogation was called in for questioning.


14. Why was the school bus driver called the next morning and told to pick up Joran at Lorenzo's house?

DAVE:  Joran was allegedly dropped off at a bus stop on the main highway. The bus driver had not made it there yet and saved Paulus about 30 minutes. Lorenzo's house was nearby.

Yes, Janet, that is exactly what I said, Dave was TOLD Lorenzo was ruled out.  I did not say Dave said it on his own.
.

Anna ... I apologize ... I did not read your post correctly.

Janet