Lively Case Discussion #618 5/11 - 5/12/2007

[klaasend]

Nite!

Klaas ever give a update on that fire on catalina??Last I heard it was zero percent contained

I believe it's at about 40% containment right now and only one or 2 residences were lost.  The firemen did a great job keeping the properties and Avalon safe.  The weather has been cooperating so I expect it will be 100% contained in a couple days.

Ahh..Ok good...Looked like they were in big trouble!

Yep, they got real lucky.

[Observer]

Seven hundred people from various agencies are fighting the fire.

WOW..No wonder why!!!

[klaasend]

Seven hundred people from various agencies are fighting the fire.

WOW..No wonder why!!!

Yep, plenty of manpower now!  Check your email when you get a chance  

[ldstlou]

klaas..did you see the latest translations of freddy's statement?

[klaasend]

klaas..did you see the latest translations of freddy's statement?

Where?  I haven't seen a full translation of it yet.  What are you referring to and where?

[ldstlou]

klaas..did you see the latest translations of freddy's statement?

Where?  I haven't seen a full translation of it yet.  What are you referring to and where?

bfn just brought more over from scrux I think

[klaasend]

klaas..did you see the latest translations of freddy's statement?

Where?  I haven't seen a full translation of it yet.  What are you referring to and where?

bfn just brought more over from scrux I think

Yes I saw what Atticus posted of what Dugo posted at Scrux, but it's even less than what was previously posted IMO.  

Posted by Dugo at Scrux:

Page 117 (partial, just Freddy)

During dinner Joran says in Papiamento 'Imagine the girl stood up from the beach and jumps into the ocean.' As Joran says that Deepak and Satish look at each other scared and dismayed. Joran says to them immediately that they don't have to worry, that he told me everything already. `No worry, mi a bise caba', he says. Don't worry, I have told him everything. Deepak, Satish and Joran speculate about what could have happened after she has been left behind. If she, maybe, went into the water or found by others? That afternoon I remain under the impression that they left her together. Not a single moment one of them said that Joran has been alone with her. But Joran hasn't told me any details, rather that he has left the girl behind on the beach. And that he left his shoes on the beach, which I found strange, but when he explained I understood; we often leave stuff behind on the beach.

[ldstlou]

still...shows they were all together..and deepak and satish were definately freaking at joran telling freddy..the half truth that is!!

[ldstlou]

wonder when this dinner took place?

[klaasend]

Excellent post by Jamie at BFN regarding this latest about Freddy's statement.  Jamie had said the pieces were falling into place.  Opus asked for him to explain (Jamie, what pieces of the puzzle...I don't see it....)

Opus: I am talking about the lies that J2K have told...actually, I am talking about everything that has been said by everyone, really. Steve Croes, too. Now, why on earth would HE say that he saw J2K drop Natalee off at the HI? IMO...and I have always said this...there are a bunch of boys involved in something BIG here, that has been going on for a long time. Teenage tourist GIRLS arrive on that Island everyday...That we know...and then you have the end of school, senior trips. Not just from ONE state like Alabama...we are talking Cities... states... from all over the USA and other countries. This Island is loaded with teenage girls coming and going. How many teenage boys are there in Aruba? Out of 97,000 people that live there? Their hormones are running wild...they are going to be hanging out by the cruise ships, the airports, the casino's and bars, like C&C's. This is WHAT they do! And I am going to say something right here, for the record...not directed at you Opus, but...just to show that I am not directing this to only Aruba boys. MY OWN SON, who is 20... would be hanging out at these places too, IF he lived there!
BUT... he sure as heck, wouldn't be doing what I personally think, these boys there, do or DID... on a routine basis.

I think I am going to refrain from saying exactly what I think they did, at this time...we all have our own theories and thoughts and I will leave it at that. Sorry, I changed my mind about sharing that...at this time anyway.

Getting back to your question Opus..."lies" will catch up with a person at some point in time and I believe this is that time. I think through Joran's book and what he is stating... is answering some of the questions we have had. He is clearing up some of the details about who said what. For example, now Freddy supposedly is saying that all 3 boys, stayed on the beach with Natalee. If this IS true, it is going to change the whole picture. The pieces of the "puzzle" IMO are going to start fitting into place. Joran is going to implement someone in a way that is going to, if it hasn't already, backfire on Joran. IMO, these other people are going to start to try to clear themselves... from what he may say about them and Joran is going to get nailed! I guess that is really all I want to say about it right now.

Just my opinion and I am entitled to it.      LOL

[klaasend]

GOODNIGHT ALL!

[ldstlou]

GOODNIGHT ALL!

night klaas!!

[ldstlou]

Excellent post by Jamie at BFN regarding this latest about Freddy's statement.  Jamie had said the pieces were falling into place.  Opus asked for him to explain (Jamie, what pieces of the puzzle...I don't see it....)

Opus: I am talking about the lies that J2K have told...actually, I am talking about everything that has been said by everyone, really. Steve Croes, too. Now, why on earth would HE say that he saw J2K drop Natalee off at the HI? IMO...and I have always said this...there are a bunch of boys involved in something BIG here, that has been going on for a long time. Teenage tourist GIRLS arrive on that Island everyday...That we know...and then you have the end of school, senior trips. Not just from ONE state like Alabama...we are talking Cities... states... from all over the USA and other countries. This Island is loaded with teenage girls coming and going. How many teenage boys are there in Aruba? Out of 97,000 people that live there? Their hormones are running wild...they are going to be hanging out by the cruise ships, the airports, the casino's and bars, like C&C's. This is WHAT they do! And I am going to say something right here, for the record...not directed at you Opus, but...just to show that I am not directing this to only Aruba boys. MY OWN SON, who is 20... would be hanging out at these places too, IF he lived there!
BUT... he sure as heck, wouldn't be doing what I personally think, these boys there, do or DID... on a routine basis.

I think I am going to refrain from saying exactly what I think they did, at this time...we all have our own theories and thoughts and I will leave it at that. Sorry, I changed my mind about sharing that...at this time anyway.

Getting back to your question Opus..."lies" will catch up with a person at some point in time and I believe this is that time. I think through Joran's book and what he is stating... is answering some of the questions we have had. He is clearing up some of the details about who said what. For example, now Freddy supposedly is saying that all 3 boys, stayed on the beach with Natalee. If this IS true, it is going to change the whole picture. The pieces of the "puzzle" IMO are going to start fitting into place. Joran is going to implement someone in a way that is going to, if it hasn't already, backfire on Joran. IMO, these other people are going to start to try to clear themselves... from what he may say about them and Joran is going to get nailed! I guess that is really all I want to say about it right now.

Just my opinion and I am entitled to it.      LOL

i agree, joran is his own worst enemy!!

[sirensong]

Why hasn't Interpol intervened?  Are they just waiting and giving the Dutch the chance to it? And if they all can be extadited to the US, why has that not been done?

OT...I just wondered what ever happened to "cat".  Haven't seen a post from him.

[Leslie]

Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/
Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/
Solo di Pueblo
http://www.solodipueblo.com/
Aruba Today
http://www.arubatoday.com/
24ora
http://www.24ora.com/
Translator:
http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl

[IBE]

Klaas  IMO the line from Avalon needs to be longer to show that the city is right on the beach of the east beach at the cove/bay.. more between the east edge of the fire and the east edge of the water. Avalon is marked wrong IMO  Thanks for all the updates and sure glad it came out OK, excepted that one "modest home"... like you, I'd be tee=d off about that vs. the expensive ones!

[ldstlou]

Good Morning Monkeys.
I just had an evil grin take over my face  picturing JoeT reading the translations of jorans book, oh man to be a fly on the wall...betcha he is sqirming and won't be touting his client the good kid who does volunteer work anymore!! Talk about a lawyers worse nightmare!!

[Peaches]

This internet world is a funny world.  I was ready to abandon my little blog until something of interest came about.  Then I noticed people were still visiting.  I’m getting over 200 hits a day and I have not even been to the site for weeks!  So, I remodeled my cyber space today and will try to keep it alive for a while longer.

Thanks to those of you that bother to read my rhetoric!

Good morning.  

Easy, I always look forward to what you have to say.  Your blog is always a must-see.

[nonesuche]

I think the simple fact that Freddy stated he knew anything regarding Natalee's disappearance as early as he does in this PV, only cements the likely fact that he was involved.

They are parasites on the tourists which drive their economy, with no real honest leadership but only crooks like Oduber to lead, that will never change. Sad for Jossy and for those who still remember an honest leader .

[nonesuche]

Good Morning Peaches !

I hope you have a restful weekend, I'm off to finish more cookies, cupcakes were yesterday - I bet I smell like a walking bag of sugar and flour  

I'm praying for those CT results to be all you hope they will sweetie - big hugs to you !!!!!!!