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« Reply #380 on: May 13, 2007, 10:24:34 AM »

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Thanks Nonesuche!

San and Peaches - I could kick Deepak's ass too and I'm not as tall as he is, lol  Laughing

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« Reply #381 on: May 13, 2007, 10:25:40 AM »

I think Steve stole the barrel from Carlos and Charlies.
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« Reply #382 on: May 13, 2007, 10:28:20 AM »

In Bailey's photo album she comments, Page 1, Photo #2 caption, that she is there to model as a bride.   Rolling Eyes Sort of young, IMO, but remember a certain Sea Hag has a publication called something like Island Treasures which does a lot of features on brides, Aruba being pimped as a wedding destination.

I would hate to think Bailey was there to model for that magazine or that person, JR.

But it is something to think about if we run out of those things!

Off to dress for Mother's Day activities. . . . . . .

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« Reply #383 on: May 13, 2007, 10:31:33 AM »

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In Bailey's photo album she comments, Page 1, Photo #2 caption, that she is there to model as a bride.   Rolling Eyes Sort of young, IMO, but remember a certain Sea Hag has a publication called something like Island Treasures which does a lot of features on brides, Aruba being pimped as a wedding destination.

I would hate to think Bailey was there to model for that magazine or that person, JR.

But it is something to think about if we run out of those things!

Off to dress for Mother's Day activities. . . . . . .

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Anna - very interresting and thanks for pointing that out.  Wonder if there is a connection to Renfro with these girls?
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« Reply #384 on: May 13, 2007, 10:33:13 AM »

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In Bailey's photo album she comments, Page 1, Photo #2 caption, that she is there to model as a bride.   Rolling Eyes Sort of young, IMO, but remember a certain Sea Hag has a publication called something like Island Treasures which does a lot of features on brides, Aruba being pimped as a wedding destination.

I would hate to think Bailey was there to model for that magazine or that person, JR.

But it is something to think about if we run out of those things!

Off to dress for Mother's Day activities. . . . . . .

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Anna - very interresting and thanks for pointing that out.  Wonder if there is a connection to Renfro with these girls?



Now wouldn't that just be something!   Wink

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« Reply #385 on: May 13, 2007, 10:34:20 AM »

Speaking of Glenda/Julia - still no posts by her at RU or FOB since May 3rd  Wink
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« Reply #386 on: May 13, 2007, 10:37:37 AM »

hey Klaas...ramm posted the translation of Freddy's pv...going to go read it all now.
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« Reply #387 on: May 13, 2007, 10:38:54 AM »

posted under freddy's pv section
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« Reply #388 on: May 13, 2007, 10:39:49 AM »

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The girl that took the photo is Bailey Anne, the girl on the left in the back seat is her friend Alyse, the girl on the right side of Freddy is Loco Stef.


wait a minute..in my mind..Baily Anne was not in the car...I always assumed it was joran who took the pic of them in the back seat. If Baily Ann was with them...where in the heck could she fit? She is either in another car or still at cnc or taxi home...but I just can't see her fitting in here.

Why would you assume Joran took the picture?  The photo is on Bailey's webshot site not Joran's.  It was taken with Bailey's camera.  She could have been standing or stooping down outside the vehicle though, I really don't know.


I just didn't see her in the car. And usually when girls are taking pics, they look at the camera...so why didn't she pose for the shot of the front seat. it appears to me they are driving...slowly but not parked so it didn't seem reasonable she was outside..looks like inside photo angles too,


ps..it seemed reasonable she hands joran the camera and says take a pic of us.



Yes, I do it all the time...If it's my camera, I want pics of me too!!!


Maybe so, but in this case Bailey is not in the pic.  Please go through her webshot album.  She is in plenty of pictures just not in the car picture.   I'd bet Bailey is the one who took the car photo:

http://community.webshots.com/album/305850535ERHiiA



Maybe Bailey wasn't even with them. It looks like (to me) these two friends of Bailey got a ride from the three guys and Bailey may have just left her camera with them. I do that all the time as well, if I don't have a big enuff bag or am just sick of holding my camera. From the website, it looks like these were the last pics on this trip, or she rearranged the album (either before or after they started appearing on other websites) the last edit was Jan 07..
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« Reply #389 on: May 13, 2007, 10:44:35 AM »

Morning Monkeys and Happy Mother's Day.... Very Happy

the only thing I can contribute to the Honda Civic discussion is...I sat in the back seat of a Honda Civic for two weeks recently....can't see four people...even little, skinny ones...fitting in the back seat...and if the driver had a drop down screen mounted in front of his head, his vision would have been totally obscured...however, the driver was 6'1" and had size 12 shoes.... Wink
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« Reply #390 on: May 13, 2007, 10:44:47 AM »

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Speaking of Glenda/Julia - still no posts by her at RU or FOB since May 3rd  Wink


That's a shame.  Whatever will we do for news? Cool
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« Reply #391 on: May 13, 2007, 10:46:24 AM »

Posted and translated by Ramm at BFN - Freddy's PV statement as written in Joran's book - Thanks Ramm!:


My translation then from Freddy's PV only:

Statement Freddy Zedan, June 12th 2005

I am the best friend and neighbor of Joran. We got to know each other about two years ago. Joran and myself are both really into sports and that is how we became good friends. Monday afternoon on the 30th, Joran came to my house. He told met that the previous day, Sunday, he had befriended a girl in the Holiday Inn casino and that she had invited him to come to Carlos and Charlies that evening. He went and they danced and drank together. After that he, Deepak Satish and the girl drove off. Her friends saw that. The drove in the direction of the Lighthouse; a white car was behind them and most likely wanted to race Deepak. But that is something Deepak would never do. Joran told me that he fingered and had french kissed the girl while they were driving. He did not say that he had had sex with her. They drove to the Lighthouse, she wanted to see sharks. But Deepak only drove up to the Lighthouse because his car is very low to the ground and cannot drive up to the North side of Aruba. The girl had said to Joran that if Deepak and Satish would have lived in her town, they would be slaves. After that they drove to the hotel. When the girl had pushed open the door of the car, she fell to the ground. Joran wanted to help her but she shoved him away. (....)
The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house. After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the four of them drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that they had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do. Joran told me that after this he was dropped off at home by Deepak and Satish. On the evening of June the third, I met Joran at his house. (....) He told met that during this period, he could not remember if they had bought something to eat or did anything else.
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« Reply #392 on: May 13, 2007, 10:57:41 AM »

I have a hard time putting any faith in this PV of Freddy's.  First, it is NOT an official PV like the others we've seen that are posted here at SM.  Secondly, it is Joran's translation of Freddy's PV with no backup proof that this is actually what is contained in Freddy's PV.  Basically, we have Joran creating a PV for Freddy and telling us what it says.  He is a chronic liar, self-admitted liar, and I don't believe a bit of it.  In fact, if Joran is trying to tell us that this is what Freddy's PV says, I bet the farm (in Robot's terms) that Freddy's genuine PV says something very, very different.
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« Reply #393 on: May 13, 2007, 10:58:28 AM »

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Posted and translated by Ramm at BFN - Freddy's PV statement as written in Joran's book - Thanks Ramm!:


My translation then from Freddy's PV only:

Statement Freddy Zedan, June 12th 2005

I am the best friend and neighbor of Joran. We got to know each other about two years ago. Joran and myself are both really into sports and that is how we became good friends. Monday afternoon on the 30th, Joran came to my house. He told met that the previous day, Sunday, he had befriended a girl in the Holiday Inn casino and that she had invited him to come to Carlos and Charlies that evening. He went and they danced and drank together. After that he, Deepak Satish and the girl drove off. Her friends saw that. The drove in the direction of the Lighthouse; a white car was behind them and most likely wanted to race Deepak. But that is something Deepak would never do. Joran told me that he fingered and had french kissed the girl while they were driving. He did not say that he had had sex with her. They drove to the Lighthouse, she wanted to see sharks. But Deepak only drove up to the Lighthouse because his car is very low to the ground and cannot drive up to the North side of Aruba. The girl had said to Joran that if Deepak and Satish would have lived in her town, they would be slaves. After that they drove to the hotel. When the girl had pushed open the door of the car, she fell to the ground. Joran wanted to help her but she shoved him away. (....)
The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house. After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the four of them drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that they had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do. Joran told me that after this he was dropped off at home by Deepak and Satish. On the evening of June the third, I met Joran at his house. (....) He told met that during this period, he could not remember if they had bought something to eat or did anything else.

1. Joran doesn't dance.
2. He is saying part of the truth but the shove was that she was fighting and she scratched Joran.
3. Why would Joran need to ask Freddy what he said about Natalee.
4. I thought Deepak was with Joran before Paulus called and he said oh shit you think something happened to the girl (or something like that).
5. Joran is making excuses by Natalee had so many bruises on her body.
6. So now he is saying the two brothers were there and they drove him home.

This whole PV is BS.  It sounds like it was written by Joran.
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« Reply #394 on: May 13, 2007, 10:59:32 AM »

Ozzie's and ldstlou - It really doesn't matter for us to know if Bailey was in the car with them.  Both Bailey and Alyse were interviewed by the FBI on 8/29/2005.
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« Reply #395 on: May 13, 2007, 10:59:48 AM »

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I have a hard time putting any faith in this PV of Freddy's.  First, it is NOT an official PV like the others we've seen that are posted here at SM.  Secondly, it is Joran's translation of Freddy's PV with no backup proof that this is actually what is contained in Freddy's PV.  Basically, we have Joran creating a PV for Freddy and telling us what it says.  He is a chronic liar, self-admitted liar, and I don't believe a bit of it.  In fact, if Joran is trying to tell us that this is what Freddy's PV says, I bet the farm (in Robot's terms) that Freddy's genuine PV says something very, very different.

Exactly AZLady.
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« Reply #396 on: May 13, 2007, 11:00:09 AM »

I also find it very suspicious that Joran creates a PV for Freddy and then puts it in his book.  Why does Joran need for Freddy to say what this PV says?  He doesn't create or "translate" PV's for any of the other witnesses in the case.  So why does Joran put words in Freddy's mouth?  Words that Freddy most likely did not say--or at least not all of the words.
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« Reply #397 on: May 13, 2007, 11:00:24 AM »

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I have a hard time putting any faith in this PV of Freddy's.  First, it is NOT an official PV like the others we've seen that are posted here at SM.  Secondly, it is Joran's translation of Freddy's PV with no backup proof that this is actually what is contained in Freddy's PV.  Basically, we have Joran creating a PV for Freddy and telling us what it says.  He is a chronic liar, self-admitted liar, and I don't believe a bit of it.  In fact, if Joran is trying to tell us that this is what Freddy's PV says, I bet the farm (in Robot's terms) that Freddy's genuine PV says something very, very different.


I agree but there is a PV for Freddy and Joran's interpretation of it is pretty damning to Joran.
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« Reply #398 on: May 13, 2007, 11:01:49 AM »

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I have a hard time putting any faith in this PV of Freddy's.  First, it is NOT an official PV like the others we've seen that are posted here at SM.  Secondly, it is Joran's translation of Freddy's PV with no backup proof that this is actually what is contained in Freddy's PV.  Basically, we have Joran creating a PV for Freddy and telling us what it says.  He is a chronic liar, self-admitted liar, and I don't believe a bit of it.  In fact, if Joran is trying to tell us that this is what Freddy's PV says, I bet the farm (in Robot's terms) that Freddy's genuine PV says something very, very different.

Exactly AZLady.


As usual, we are on the same page, San.  Liars--all of them.
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« Reply #399 on: May 13, 2007, 11:03:24 AM »

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I have a hard time putting any faith in this PV of Freddy's.  First, it is NOT an official PV like the others we've seen that are posted here at SM.  Secondly, it is Joran's translation of Freddy's PV with no backup proof that this is actually what is contained in Freddy's PV.  Basically, we have Joran creating a PV for Freddy and telling us what it says.  He is a chronic liar, self-admitted liar, and I don't believe a bit of it.  In fact, if Joran is trying to tell us that this is what Freddy's PV says, I bet the farm (in Robot's terms) that Freddy's genuine PV says something very, very different.


I agree but there is a PV for Freddy and Joran's interpretation of it is pretty damning to Joran.


How so, Klaas?  It appears to me that Joran's interpretation of Freddy's PV supports his claim that they left her on the Marriott beach.  I'm puzzled as this doesn't seem damning to me.
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