Madeleine McCann Missing-Praia Da Luz, Portugal 3/05/07 #1

[distortion]

People will distance themselves from the McCanns now, because doubt has been allowed a foothold.  Terrible shame, as if the tragedy itself was not enough for the McCanns.  While it is important to look at the parents, this seems merely a way out for the investigation.  

[MuffyBee]

McCanns Quizzed By Social Services

Updated: 18:01, Thursday September 13, 2007
Madeleine McCann's parents have met social services representatives at their home to discuss the case of their missing daughter.
Couple were visited at home
Couple were visited at home

It is standard procedure for a mother or father named as a suspect overseas to have their case considered by the authorities in their home county on child protection grounds.

It is understood that Kate and Gerry McCann, who have two-year-old twins, Sean and Amelie, were keen to meet officials from Leicestershire County Council and were given the choice of doing so at home or at County Hall, in Glenfield.
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http://news.sky.com/skynews/home

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Madeleine died 'after large sleeping pill overdose'
Last updated at 18:15pm on 13th September 2007
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Mr McCann's older brother John, 48, said: "Kate has invited social services to make sure everything was okay, that was at her behest."
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pag.....1&ct=5

I had read back at least as far back as last week social services would want to speak to the McCann's concerning the welfare of their twins.  I am just curious about Kate inviting social services to meet with them to make sure everything was okay.  This wasn't like an invitation to tea party.  It sounds like preemptive manuvering, which is not a bad thing.  I'm just scratching my head by the way this is phrased.  Sort of like Kate phoning them up and saying please come over and make sure the kids are okay.  PR PR PR.  Maybe she got to it before it was mandated.  I don't know if the McCann's are guilty or not, just calling attention to bits and pieces like this.  Just as some feel the McCann's have been and are being smeared, I can also see there is some things going on from the parents camp too. 

[Rob]

surely they must be done searching that church by now.

[MuffyBee]

Madeleine's mother to be quizzed again by Portuguese police
13.09.07
The mother of Madeleine McCann is to be interviewed again by police investigating her daughter's disappearance.

Portuguese detectives could travel to Britain to quiz Mrs McCann. She was interviewed twice last week and formally declared a suspect after police told her they believed she had killed.

Kate will face 40 key questions about the night her daughter disappeared from their Algarve holiday apartment on May 3, her relationship with the four-year-old and her movements since Madeleine went missing, respected Portuguese daily Publico claimed.
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http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23411979-details/Madeleine%27s+mother+to+be+quizzed+again+by+Portuguese+police/article.do

[Rob]

Here is the description of the man that may have abducted Madeleine.

MAN'S DESCRIPTION
White
5ft 7ins
Medium build
Short hair
Wearing a dark jacket, beige trousers and dark shoes
Carrying "a child or an object that could have been taken as a child"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6695743.stm

I also found an article earlier where Bob Murat actually brings up the pedophile ring. I can't seem to find it now. I'll keep looking. Strange that Murat mentions this. It seems he told the police about the ring.

[Dee]

I agree with you about the family,  Muffy.  Does anyone know if sleeping pills were found in the apartment at any time? Also, we have heard the accidental drug overdose rumor for a few days now, does this seem like a confirmation of that?

[MuffyBee]

Questions at the heart of Madeleine investigation
By Ian Herbert
Published: 13 September 2007
How significant is the McCanns' announcement that they are to have the hire car forensically tested themselves?

After a week under siege from Portuguese police, it is a major strike back from the couple which, according to Mark Williams-Thomas, a former police child protection officer, provides an insight into the mind games now being played by both sides in the case. "It's incredible that the police have not seized the car – and handed the McCanns this opportunity," he said.

Couldn't the police simply say that the McCanns had 'wiped' the car clean of evidence before the second tests start?

No, says Mr Williams-Thomas. "The McCanns' own analysts could demonstrate whether a cleaning up of evidence had taken place and could also determine whether or not a thorough examination of the car had been undertaken. The McCanns have definitely been given the upper hand by maintaining possession of the car."

What do we know about the forensic evidence found in the car?

The picture remains far from clear. Initial reports suggested a "99 per cent" DNA match, from blood found in the car but an officer took the unusual step of denying the report on which this was based. There has since been talk of an 80 per cent match from bodily fluids – but the statistics used have been odd. Forensic officers don't use percentages, but chances in a million, or billion, against a match.
Could Kate McCann's diary be important?

To those unfamiliar with criminal cases the idea of suspects revealing their crime by writing down their feelings about it in a diary might sound ridiculous. But many who commit serious crimes do write down incriminating details, in code or otherwise, according to Mr Williams-Thomas. "But the diary should also have been seized long ago," he said. "The disclosures in the media about how they want it would give Kate the chance to remove anything which might implicate herself.

How important is the planned search of a local church in Praia da Luz?

Many British observers believe this may simply be desperate talk from the Portuguese police, who insisted months ago that their search of the immediate area where Madeleine disappeared had come to nothing. Could the McCanns realistically have hidden a body right under the noses of police and media? Highly unlikely.
http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article2956435.ece

[MuffyBee]

I agree with you about the family,  Muffy.  Does anyone know if sleeping pills were found in the apartment at any time? Also, we have heard the accidental drug overdose rumor for a few days now, does this seem like a confirmation of that?

Dee ~ I'm in the same boat as everyone else.  I don't think anyone really knows.  It would appear to me there are all these little leaks from the police, which imo is some sort of strategy.  The McCann's aren't supposed to discuss the case.  I think there is a lot of rumors going round, but somewhere in there, probably some truth.  Just my opinion, of course.  Common sense would say to me that if there was bodily fluid found in the back of the car  that matches Madeleine and it had sedative in it, that raises questions.  The McCann's have denied giving any sedatives.  Also, it might depend on what kind of sedative, and I don't know if there is a way to find if the levels were high enough for a lethal dose.  Also, the parents could say someone kidnapped Madeleine and used the car, having sedated her.  There is a long way to go in the investigation...I wouldn't count on the article as a confirmation.

[bleachedblack]

I agree with you about the family,  Muffy.  Does anyone know if sleeping pills were found in the apartment at any time? Also, we have heard the accidental drug overdose rumor for a few days now, does this seem like a confirmation of that?

The first overdose rumor was a drug similar to Tylenol, sounds very different than sleeping pills with sedative actions. If hair found in the car is actually Madeleine's it can be tested for presence of previous drug abuse/usage.If a parent had a history of sedating a child  hair analysis would show this.

[Puzzler]

Even though I've been looking....I haven't found anything to tell me that the "digging at the church" has begun.

Lots of info re: going to dig, ready to dig, etc.

Anyone seen anything that indicates that the digging has "begun"??

[Anna]

http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/index.php?storyID=8656

Kate McCann and her ‘hysterical’ children

[MuffyBee]

I agree with you about the family,  Muffy.  Does anyone know if sleeping pills were found in the apartment at any time? Also, we have heard the accidental drug overdose rumor for a few days now, does this seem like a confirmation of that?

The first overdose rumor was a drug similar to Tylenol, sounds very different than sleeping pills with sedative actions. If hair found in the car is actually Madeleine's it can be tested for presence of previous drug abuse/usage.If a parent had a history of sedating a child  hair analysis would show this.

Thank you for posting this BB.  It makes sense to me. 

[festa]

Here is the description of the man that may have abducted Madeleine.

MAN'S DESCRIPTION
White
5ft 7ins
Medium build
Short hair
Wearing a dark jacket, beige trousers and dark shoes
Carrying "a child or an object that could have been taken as a child"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6695743.stm

I also found an article earlier where Bob Murat actually brings up the pedophile ring. I can't seem to find it now. I'll keep looking. Strange that Murat mentions this. It seems he told the police about the ring.

Rob, is this the description they used to make the composite drawing? - supposedly they had this description on 5/5, 2 days after she disappeared and didn't release it until 5/25 -

I would be interested in the article where Murat mentions the ring, I knew there was speculation about a pedophile ring after they supposedly found child pornography on Murat and Malinka's computers - Was it ever verified IF they did find child porn on any of these computers and Did Malinka clear the hard drive of one of his computers?  Whether or not they are involved in this, clearning your hard drive suggests you are hiding something you don't want the police to see - Does anyone know if they are still interested in 1 or both of these men in regards to any other crimes?

[festa]

A Portuguese paper has obtained a leaked copy of Kate McCann’s diary, reports gibby zobel


Kate McCann complains frequently that her children are "hysterical" and says that Madeleine is a hyperactive child who tires her out to the point of despair in sensational details from what are claimed to be pages of her diary leaked to the Portuguese press.
An emergency order made yesterday to seize the diary has now been approved. But it transpires the Portuguese police had already photocopied key passages from the diary when they found it open on a table in the McCanns' villa in Praia da Luz - and some of these photocopied pages have been leaked to Correio da Manha.
Details of the night when Madeleine disappeared (May 3) are also described in the diary, according to the newspaper. Mrs McCann does not confess to any crime but she does describe the hours before the four-year-old went missing, according to the extracts. She writes about how her husband Gerry doesn't help with domestic duties and it falls on her to look after the children while he is always out on the tennis court or in the swimming pool.
Portuguese police are placing high emphasis on the contents of the diary, the newspaper reports. The Policia Judiciaria have yet to confirm whether an order has been made to seize Gerry McCann's Apple Mac computer or Madeleine's favourite toy, Cuddle Cat, as has been widely reported.
Family spokesman Justine McGuinness says the McCanns cannot talk about the latest developments because of their arguido - or formal suspect - status. "They are trying to observe the Portuguese law," she said.
It is also widely reported in the Portuguese press that police are likely to request that the McCanns return to Portugal soon. Also, Portuguese detectives are said to have asked British officers to execute a warrant to seize unnamed items from the McCanns' home in Rothley, Leicestershire, where they returned this week
 
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/index.php?storyID=8656

Hmm, Kate's sister said that she urged Kate to write things down in a diary after Madeleine went missing, therefore she started after 5/3 - this suggests that she has been writing in this diary for a period before - Has anyone else heard when she started this diary?  BTW, her sister made it out that this would be a sort of love letter to Madeleine to show her that they were looking for her when she was gone and also to keep track of things, make sure the police didn't miss anything...

[festa]

Philomena McCann, Mr McCann's sister, said she had advised her sister-in-law to keep the journal to show Madeleine how much they loved her.

She told The Sun: "I said to Kate that it would be a good idea if someone wrote down, for Madeleine, notes on everything that was happening, because we have to prove to Madeleine how much we looked for her and how much we love her."

[MuffyBee]

Even though I've been looking....I haven't found anything to tell me that the "digging at the church" has begun.

Lots of info re: going to dig, ready to dig, etc.

Anyone seen anything that indicates that the digging has "begun"??

Snoopy ~  I understood there would be searches in the church in vaults and etc., and there was a map that showed the new roads that were not paved when Madeleine was first reported missing, and may need to be dug.  I would think the searches would start with looking in areas that didn't require digging, but that would be my idea.  Not sure where or when the police might want to start.  There was an article about this posted I think in this thread.  Here is a post by Klaas that is recent and concerns the digging:

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The main focus of the dig will be the vaults, grounds and roads around the tiny Catholic church.

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[Rob]

Here is the description of the man that may have abducted Madeleine.

MAN'S DESCRIPTION
White
5ft 7ins
Medium build
Short hair
Wearing a dark jacket, beige trousers and dark shoes
Carrying "a child or an object that could have been taken as a child"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6695743.stm

I also found an article earlier where Bob Murat actually brings up the pedophile ring. I can't seem to find it now. I'll keep looking. Strange that Murat mentions this. It seems he told the police about the ring.

Rob, is this the description they used to make the composite drawing? - supposedly they had this description on 5/5, 2 days after she disappeared and didn't release it until 5/25 -

I would be interested in the article where Murat mentions the ring, I knew there was speculation about a pedophile ring after they supposedly found child pornography on Murat and Malinka's computers - Was it ever verified IF they did find child porn on any of these computers and Did Malinka clear the hard drive of one of his computers?  Whether or not they are involved in this, clearning your hard drive suggests you are hiding something you don't want the police to see - Does anyone know if they are still interested in 1 or both of these men in regards to any other crimes?

Festa, I'm looking all over right now. I should have saved it to my de.lici.ous.

It is out there, I saw it just this morning. I believe it was Malinka who was referenced in a child porn ring or connection..Could have been more rumor and conjecture from the PLE. Maybe that is how Murat knew about it???? I'm not sure. Malinka has never even been questioned since initial days. Malinka did clear his HD. That seems to be a fact. In fact IIRC, he had several computers that were wiped clean. He is a 22 year old Russian computer expert that appears to have built a website for Murat's real estate business. Not sure what other interests that may share. Murat called him a friend, so it seems to be more than just business.

They are only still interested in Murat as an accomplice to the McCanns. I have no idea how they are making that link.

BTW- really good job on your posts. I have really been enjoying them. Especially the one yesterday that referenced the McCanns as monsters. That as spot on in my opinion.

[Rob]

BTW and O/T - Carpe sent me an email. JQK will be on Greta tonight to discuss the Kalpoe loss.

I believe he will be capturing it for those not able to watch it tonight.

[MuffyBee]

Philomena McCann, Mr McCann's sister, said she had advised her sister-in-law to keep the journal to show Madeleine how much they loved her.

She told The Sun: "I said to Kate that it would be a good idea if someone wrote down, for Madeleine, notes on everything that was happening, because we have to prove to Madeleine how much we looked for her and how much we love her."

13 September 2007
WE WANT GERRY'S LAPTOP
Cops to seize McCann computer and diary
By Rod Chaytor

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It was unclear last night if Kate's diary, in which she has been seen writing for up to an hour a day since Madeleine vanished on May 3, is already in the hands of the Portuguese authorities.

Some reports said it had already been taken and the application to the judge was to authorise police to analyse it.

Detectives want to compare Kate's entries in the days after Madeleine went missing with the couple's statements and movements[/co

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[festa]

Rob, don't mean to bug you - but I love your post/info -  In your searching do you see anything about Malinka being a convicted sex offender - this was mentioned early on - Oh and Malinka and Murat at first "forgot" they knew each other until police press them futher -
and 3 travel companions of the McCanns (I can't remember which at this moment) confronted Murat about his involvement, just an fyi -

Again, whether or not the McCanns are responsible for Madeleine's "disappearance", I still don't get why these two aren't being looked at for anything else - IF the child porn was true (maybe it was an incorrect "leak")- I would think the police would be curious as to why Malinka suddenly erased his HD -