Madeleine McCann Missing-Praia Da Luz, Portugal 3/05/07 #1

[A's Fever]

I really hope the McCanns are not involved.  If they are, aside from the obvious tragedy, it would be a monumental fraud perpetrated right in front of the eyes of the world.

[klaasend]

Bodily Fluids - Not Blood - In McCann Car
Updated: 15:28, Tuesday September 11, 2007

Bodily fluids - not blood - matching Madeleine McCann's DNA have been found in the car hired by her parents, according to Sky sources.
 
The sample was taken from the boot, where the spare tyre is kept, the sources said.

It had an 88% match with the missing four-year-old's DNA.

Police searching the car also found so much of Madeleine's hair that it could not have been transferred from a blanket or clothes.

It must have come directly from her body, sources said.

The news comes as Portuguese prosecutors received all of the files of evidence on the McCanns from police investigating the four-year-old's disappearance.

The prosecutors are now expected to review reports of three samples of Madeleine's DNA found by detectives.

 
They will then decide whether to charge the McCanns with an offence.

Sky sources earlier said a full DNA match to Madeleine was found in the boot of a car hired by Kate and Gerry McCann after their daughter went missing.

"Police say it is the most damning evidence that has been returned by the tests," Sky's Crime Correspondent Martin Brunt said.

As prosecutors analyse the evidence, Mr and Mrs McCann are enduring the tense wait for news at their home in Rothley, Leicestershire.

Both have been named by police as suspects in their daughter's disappearance on May 3 in the Algarve.

Family spokesman Brian Kennedy, who is Madeleine's great uncle, said of the family: "They are holding up extremely well."

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1283521,00.html

[Tamikosmom]

Thanks Klaas

What a difference a day make when it comes to the reporting of Sky News ... a British News outlet that apparently was a reliable source in regards to updates on the Madeleine McCann case.

Janet


'Police Match Madeleine DNA To Hire Car'
Updated: 20:26, Monday September 10, 2007

"The evidence suggests very strongly that it was not that her DNA had been transferred from clothing or from a cuddly toy

"The allegation is that the DNA shows a full match of 99%. According to police, it shows the presence of Madeleine's body in the boot of the family's hire car five weeks after she disappeared."

He said the sample of blood sent to the Forensic Science Service in Birmingham carried three matches of Madeleine's DNA.

Two were partial matches that came from the car and the windowsill of the family's holiday apartment.

The third was the full match from the boot of the car.

Meanwhile, papers outlining any evidence against Gerry and Kate McCann will be passed to the Public Prosecutor in Portugal, probably on Tuesday.

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The McCanns have been told they could be called back to Portugal "at any time".

Under Portuguese law the couple could keep their arguido - suspect - status for up to eight months, although the prosecutor could decide to extend that to a year.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1283359,00.html?f=rss

[Jennifer34]

Wow, I wonder what they are considering "so much" hair.

Who knows what to think in this case?  My initial reaction was that the parents had nothing to do with this .... then you  get reports like this ....

I think this might be another Jon Benet case that never gets solved and speculation will always surround these people.

[klaasend]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2426647.ece

September 11, 2007

Fund could be blocked from paying legal costs
Frances Gibb, Legal Editor and David Brown

Kate and Gerry McCann face being stopped from paying their mounting legal bills out of the £1 million of public donations to the campaign to find their missing daughter.

As the couple engaged two of Britain’s top criminal lawyers and a leading Portuguese lawyer, the trustees of Madeleine’s Fund were still considering whether the fund could pay for their legal bills in Portugal and London after they were made official suspects in their daughter disappearance.

The trustees are understood to fear a possible backlash from some people who made donations as well as possible legal challenges to the use of the fund for such a controversial purpose.

A family friend said: “The fund is looking into whether it can legally pay for the legal advice that is currently being given to Kate and Gerry.”

(snipped)

[klaasend]

Posted in the Mirror UK forum:

kgmc2007

Joined: 22 Aug 2007
Posts: 66

 Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 3:42 pm    Post subject: Sky this evening   

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I understand that this evening Sky will have a major story regarding phone calls made on the evening of 3rd May. These have been the subject of much conjecture up to now, but I understand that they will have some news as to exactly what these contain.

This will be the next and most damning piece of evidence yet presented to the public.

I don't know what these amount to, but I understand they leave little doubt as to the death of Madeleine. This stuff is being released very methodically and deliberately, DNA first, then phone taps, etc.

http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=12301
 

[BlueKYGirl]

Well, it's about 5 o'clock p.m. in England right now--I'll be anxious to hear what the reports say.

[klaasend]

Well, it's about 5 o'clock p.m. in England right now--I'll be anxious to hear what the reports say.

Nothing yet at the Sky news website but I'll keep checking:

http://news.sky.com/skynews/home

[Mere]

Klaas...I thought that Madeleine was an in vitro child...was she the actual child of both McCanns...?  or do we know at this point?  Do we know if the twins are also in-vitro and from the same source?

Thank you...Mere

[BlueKYGirl]

Klaas...I thought that Madeleine was an in vitro child...was she the actual child of both McCanns...?  or do we know at this point?  Do we know if the twins are also in-vitro and from the same source?

Thank you...Mere

I think I heard something about all three children being in-vitro babies. I don't really know how the details of how in-vitro works, but I think it certain cases both parents' dna can be used. I haven't heard how it was done in this case.

Klaas--thanks for keeping us all updated!

[crazybabyborg]

Wow...........
I honestly did not think that the parents had anything to do with their daughter's disappearance. I'll be watching the reports. It's so hard to figure out how they could have managed it, with the timeline I've heard.

I would imagine that if they did do it, finding her body would tell the tale, and if they did do it, her body should be able to be discovered.   

[klaasend]

Klaas...I thought that Madeleine was an in vitro child...was she the actual child of both McCanns...?  or do we know at this point?  Do we know if the twins are also in-vitro and from the same source?

Thank you...Mere

It's my understanding that all three children were in vitro.

Edited to add:  I don't know if the egg and sperm came from the McCann's or from a donor.  No idea.

[Mere]

Thank you Klaas....this is a link on in-vitro fertilization....

http://www.americanpregnancy.org/infertility/ivf.html

[vms]

snipped:

Meanwhile grandma Susan revealed that Madeleine and her twin brother and sister, Sean and Amelie, were all test tube babies.

She said her daughter had IVF treatment after she and Gerry were unable to conceive normally.

Speaking from her home in Woolton, Liverpool, she said: "Kate and Gerry waited a long time for those children - that's why they are so precious to them."

Link

[Mere]

Listening to Sky News...

http://news.sky.com/skynews/livenewsevents

[vms]

A Post From the Mirror Forum:

sky news: the public prosecutor has already decided there is enough evidence against the McCanns and has passed the data on to the next step, ie, judge.
They could be recalled to Portugal at any time.

[klaasend]

Posted in the Mirror UK forum:

SallyGardens

Joined: 19 Jun 2007
Posts: 1271

 Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:17 pm    Post subject: EVIDENCE ON WAY TO JUDGE   

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sky news: the public prosecutor has already decided there is enough evidence against the McCanns and has passed the data on to the next step, ie, judge.
They could be recalled to Portugal at any time.

http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=12323
 

[Mere]

Sky News...10 boxes of material has been given to Portugese police.
                Bodily fluid was found in rental car.
                Full DNA match...or 88% match depending on who reports.
                Bodily fluids may indicate a decomposing body.

                Enough material to send boxes of material to a judge.

[BlueKYGirl]

Thank you Klaas....this is a link on in-vitro fertilization....

http://www.americanpregnancy.org/infertility/ivf.html

This question may show my ignorance about IVF and crime investigation, but does it matter to the investigation if the in-vitro process used by the McCanns involved both their DNA? Aren't they comparing the DNA evidence from the car and windowsill to samples that are confirmed to be Madeleine's? If so, how her genetic makeup came into existence shouldn't really matter to the investigation.

The only way I can think of that this could relate to the investigation is if the twins had the same biological/donor parent as Madeleine (whether Kate, Gerry, or a donor), and thus had a similar genetic makeup. I guess if that were the case, the twins' DNA could look very similar to Madeleine's--is that the point? It's still my understanding that, while brothers and sisters who have the same parents share genetic traits, each person has a unique genetic makeup with the exception of twins. (Correct me if I'm wrong on this--I'm no scientist).

I just want to know if I'm thinking about this from the proper perspective, or if there are questions that relate to genetics that I'm missing here.

[sleddogs]

WTH? I don't know who or what to believe anymore

Portuguese Police Say Blood Found in Car May Not Belong to Madeleine

16:11, September 11th 2007 
 
 
A Portuguese official said Tuesday that the blood traces found in a vehicle rented by the parents of missing Madeleine McCann may not belong to the four-year-old girl, like British media speculated.

The head of Portugal’s judicial police, Alipio Ribeiro said investigators have received a batch of test results from Britain, but until now none of them are an exact match with the child’s DNA.
 
http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Portuguese_Police_Say_Blood_Found_in_Car_May_Not_Belong_to_Madeleine_08516.html




I still think the parents are innocent