Lively Case Discussion #621 5/15 - 5/16/2007

[AZLady]

Then let's look at the content.  Whether it is the posting of the original Shango or someone else, there is a message someone wishes to convey.  I tend to think it might even be someone's attempt to interpret Shango for others who don't seem to understand.

Shango Says: July 27, 2005 9:54 pm

I see from afar with the eyes of god.

Shango has always said
the DirtyHand hid the SlanderFoot.
This is a reference to Van der Straaten or Croes (whoever you think Dirtyhand is) and hiding the VanderSloots.

The hand has long fingers
which still caress the tender lamb
tucked away at manger
awaiting his fate.

This also seems much more obvious than earlier Shango posts.  DirtyHand is protecting Joran, tucked away in jail.

Cowboys, don't step on the Herrings!
The SlanderFoot is whispering
with the Gods of Babylon.
Lots of red herrings out there to confuse and obfuscate. VDS is secretly contacting his friends in the Hague.

Has not the DirtyHand walked in many circles?
Amongst the lions.....
And even now he summons help
from the Gods of Babylon.
Van der Straatten and Croes know the "lions" on Aruba and have asked for help from the Netherlands.

Pleading for keys
to remain hidden
so that doors
may remain closed.
Van der Straateen and Croes do not want this case solved and want the Dutch to help them cover it up.

For how many can see
the strings of marionettes
as they are subtley
pulled by the gods?
This seems to be a reference to reality that many are able to see the "strings" being pulled--the coverup that was bumblingly instituted.


The Arawaks whisper fervently...
Heads will roll
the fires which were dim
have brightened
The Arubans are talking, but in whispers (this shows their fear), and they seem to think someone will pay for this.

the sleights of DirtyHand
have not sleightened....
This is a reference to the "sleight of hand" or disappearing tricks that DirtyHand (VDStraatten and/or Croes) keeps performing and they are not lessening (sleightened).

but are still
at the root of this evil tree
and all of the "Plants"
This is a reference to the evil tree that is the network of corruption in Aruba and the "Plants" is a double entendre--the support people for the network and the "planted" evidence and miscommunication.

To be continued...

[Anna]

Yes, now I remember. Chinbeard! And I think he gave himself a numeral.

That is EXACTLY right -- "Chinbeard" !!!

Something like ChinbeardIV I think, right?

[klaasend]

Quickly and briefly jumping in....

Could the following have been referencing bondia here at sm?:

Non-Virgin Mary and her flock Rolled for many days, finding comfort in the Monkey Den.

In light of all we have learned in the past few weeks I have been leaning towards the concept that "Mary who was not a virgin" could indeed refer to Bondia etc.

   

[wreck]

Yes, now I remember. Chinbeard! And I think he gave himself a numeral.

That is EXACTLY right -- "Chinbeard" !!!

And he posted on the C&C blog.

As for the Marvel Comic Connection that always gets ignored, here goes yet again:


Maze was a psychotropic drug invented by Rave. . Detective Nick =
worked on the case for a long time and knew everything about it and the =
inventor.=20

He knew that most of the chemicals used for the drug were not =
illegal on their own, but when they were mixed they became a dangerous =
drug. The son of Detective Nick became insane through an overdose of =
Maze. --Marvel Comics Presents #141/4=20

House of Rave The House of Rave was the HQ of Rave. It was the =
place where the drug Maze was produced and distributed all over the =
city. It was also a lively disco with a huge dance floor and scaffolds. =
Cameras and sensors oversaw the whole place and traps normally finished =
off intruders.=20

Traps like the stairs that could be turned into a chute. There was =
also a room with holographic pictures that should distract intruders =
from the holes everywhere in the room from which spikes came out. =
Holographic pictures were also used in other rooms. The place was also a =
big bomb for the case that everything against an intruder failed. The =
explosive power of the House of Rave could've levelled a whole block. =
--Marvel Comics Presents #141/4=20

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House of Babylon is in Marvel Comics, this same series, etc. many, many of the terms used.

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Now, we are getting somewhere!  You are right -- why did this get ignored???

[Tibrogargan]

Shango refers to the Americans as Cowboys. With that in mind try these:

"The False Messenger deceives the anguished Cowgirl with Osteo scraps".

False Messenger = Julia
Anguished Cowgirl = Beth

"Head CowGirl’s mind is poisoned by the Sumarian Messenger".

Head Cowgirl = Beth
Sumerian = someone with Middle East ancestry?

"The Simian stated for 2 days, the key would come from the hague the next day"

Could this apply to Anita arriving from Netherlands?

[bleachedblack]

osteo scraps= pieces of bone

[IBE]

I did another type again... should read "not gettin'"


Headache's name:

"We are NOT gettin' any Justice for Natalee" headache. I'm looking for Dutch FBI medicine to make it go away!

[Lala'sMom]

If Shango was the person we seem to think...Gabe Leo...one must also note that he was very active in the MEP party.  I recall photos of him in a Jeep with the MEP flag draped over it.  So when reading Shango, many have alluded to the fact that Shango was attempting to mislead us all.  You just have to decide for yourself.  Simian didn't make cryptic messages...just stated what was heard and things that were seen at the time.  It's all very confusing.  As I have mentioned before...if these people know anything that would help solve this case and they have hidden it in such a cryptic way, then they are just as guilty of a cover up. I don't cotton (that's a Southern term, Tib) to the idea that it was too dangerous to speak the truth in plain English.  If it was truly Gabe Leo, what has he to worry about?  He was in the states at the time of the writings anyway or shortly thereafter.  

Now, that's my rant on Shango for the night.  Hugs to Nemo.

[AZLady]

I find it very easy to interpret the message of the later postings attributed to Shango.  On the other hand, I find the earlier postings, before June 28, enigmatic and fascinating.  There is a deep vein of island folklore and mysticism running throughout the early Shango postings.  The later postings are imposters, in my opinion, who are attempting to imitate Shango but do not have the same background and do not use the Caribbean references in the same ways.  The later postings are much more direct and easy to interpret.  The early Shango posts are not so easy to decipher, but have the quality of riddles to them.

[Lala'sMom]

Wreck
No one has ignored the Marvel comic references at all.  I have looked at them closely.  As a matter of fact, Rob, did extensive work on them.  

Truthfully, if you consider the Marvel aspect of it all, you find it's only the rantings of a youthful mind and not at all the super secret message we have all come to love as Shango verse.

[Tibrogargan]

Yes, :a;a's we "cotton on" to things here also    

[Lala'sMom]

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 9:41 pm
One straight path
to the house of Rave,
while of gold bricks
the road is not paved,
answers mysterious lie within
magical letters which spell sin
XTC DNA
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 9:44 pm
Babalu opened a window looking into babylon on his 12:31 A.M. Post
DirtyHand is alive
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 9:46 pm
Shango said the key to the Hague did not exist
that door to eden remains closed
until the house with the path
But not of gold
is entered


Cryptic indeed.

[Tibrogargan]

Yes, :a;a's we "cotton on" to things here also    

Geez  ;a;a's  =  lala's

[klaasend]

Posted by Captain Chinbeard on the front page of SM on June 13, 2005:

Name: Captain_Chinbeard

As a rehabilitated liar (thanks to a good woman!), I know that when there’s something of importance about which I need to lie, I used to always include a sprinkle of the truth. That in mind, I think the three current suspects actually took her to the ruins of the former lighthouse at Seroe Colorado and disposed of the body there. This way, they could use the Arisha Beach lighthouse as a nice little alibi or what-not.

Plausible?

Same email address as he used at RWV - posting from the USA

[IBE]

Anna told about the man who posted about Marvel comics. He said"

House of Babylon is in Marvel Comics, this same series, etc. many, many of the terms used."

How is the House of Babylon used? Afraid I have never read Marvel comics. Sorry.

[AZLady]

If Shango was the person we seem to think...Gabe Leo...one must also note that he was very active in the MEP party.  I recall photos of him in a Jeep with the MEP flag draped over it.  So when reading Shango, many have alluded to the fact that Shango was attempting to mislead us all.  You just have to decide for yourself.  Simian didn't make cryptic messages...just stated what was heard and things that were seen at the time.  It's all very confusing.  As I have mentioned before...if these people know anything that would help solve this case and they have hidden it in such a cryptic way, then they are just as guilty of a cover up. I don't cotton (that's a Southern term, Tib) to the idea that it was too dangerous to speak the truth in plain English.  If it was truly Gabe Leo, what has he to worry about?  He was in the states at the time of the writings anyway or shortly thereafter.  

Now, that's my rant on Shango for the night.  Hugs to Nemo.

I tend to believe Shango is someone like Gabe Leo involved in the politics of the Caribbean.  There are so many terms used that are also references to the current political situation.  It also strikes me that the Shango posts were trying to use the disappearance of Natalee to call attention to the political strife and troubles in Aruba.   I've read them and researched them and am always lead to political and mystical documents about the politics of the Caribbean.

[AZLady]

I've read about the Marvel comics.  Marvel comics take their ideas from popular culture, from history, and from other sources, too.  Coincidence?  Not really.

[Lala'sMom]

Yes, :a;a's we "cotton on" to things here also    

Well, we "cotton to" and you "cotton on". LOL

[Anna]

Yes, now I remember. Chinbeard! And I think he gave himself a numeral.

That is EXACTLY right -- "Chinbeard" !!!

And he posted on the C&C blog.

As for the Marvel Comic Connection that always gets ignored, here goes yet again:


Maze was a psychotropic drug invented by Rave. . Detective Nick =
worked on the case for a long time and knew everything about it and the =
inventor.=20

He knew that most of the chemicals used for the drug were not =
illegal on their own, but when they were mixed they became a dangerous =
drug. The son of Detective Nick became insane through an overdose of =
Maze. --Marvel Comics Presents #141/4=20

House of Rave The House of Rave was the HQ of Rave. It was the =
place where the drug Maze was produced and distributed all over the =
city. It was also a lively disco with a huge dance floor and scaffolds. =
Cameras and sensors oversaw the whole place and traps normally finished =
off intruders.=20

Traps like the stairs that could be turned into a chute. There was =
also a room with holographic pictures that should distract intruders =
from the holes everywhere in the room from which spikes came out. =
Holographic pictures were also used in other rooms. The place was also a =
big bomb for the case that everything against an intruder failed. The =
explosive power of the House of Rave could've levelled a whole block. =
--Marvel Comics Presents #141/4=20

---------------

House of Babylon is in Marvel Comics, this same series, etc. many, many of the terms used.

.

Now, we are getting somewhere!  You are right -- why did this get ignored???

It always does just as it will again tonight.  Maybe because I'm Dutch???

Marvel Comics in this series uses the terms

House of Rave
Maze
Babylon
The Elders
Roll
Diceman

Now isn't that just an odd coincidence?

 

[wreck]

Posted by Captain Chinbeard on the front page of SM on June 13, 2005:

Name: Captain_Chinbeard

As a rehabilitated liar (thanks to a good woman!), I know that when there’s something of importance about which I need to lie, I used to always include a sprinkle of the truth. That in mind, I think the three current suspects actually took her to the ruins of the former lighthouse at Seroe Colorado and disposed of the body there. This way, they could use the Arisha Beach lighthouse as a nice little alibi or what-not.

Plausible?

Same email address as he used at RWV - posting from the USA

Good catch  -- he is right about liars always adding a grain of truth. The latter "Shango " posts seem to pretend to be feeding the Natalee supporters with a few tidbits of "cover-up" but still try to make people believe that Natalee brought this on herself by doing ecstacy all week with the locals. ("Mary rolled").  
"July Shango" was bogus!!!