Lively Case Discussion #623 5/17 - 5/19/2007

[San]

Anna and all

Satish didn't necessarily say "they will find her".  Joran says he did....after having said that Deepak said that.

Joran's June 14th statement:
When I was sitting in the car I told Deepak that the girl was laying on the beach and that she was being annoying/irritating because she didn't want to go back to her hotel. Deepak asked me if I fucked her. I answered Deepak that I didn't because I didn't have a condom on me. Deepak also asked me what I was going to do with her. I had said to Deepak that she didn't want to go back to her hotel. I even told her that I lifted her up but that she didn't want me to bring her back to her hotel. Then Deepak said to me "don't f*** with that bitch" * that they will find her tomorrow on the beach.[/b]

She's annoying.  He's afraid she'll chase him if they don't speed away...yet....he doesn't put the words into Deepak's mouth that "she can just walk back" or "she can sit there all night"....nope...he says (that one or the other brother says) "they will find her tomorrow"....not even "she'll wake up with the sun"..

Then you have a couple lines from Anita:

"Stay away from the Marriott".
 I think Natalee was originally left somewhere around there. Anita knew the cleanup team had moved her and I think she was warning them to not be nosey...or not to look for the shoe because someone would see them.

for Tyler and all:
"There were adults there".  
I have always felt that she was driving this point home to the K2.  I am sure she and PVDS stressed to K2, their adult status and how much trouble they would be in.

I agree this is exactly what Anita was doing.  She was throwing threats.  She knew they would be in more trouble.  I am also going to say these threats were for Freddy also.

[San]

buckeye - all good points in your post, honestly when MSM ran the video of Anita in the taxi heading to get joran when he flew into LaGuardia and Bo Dietl intervened, I do believe that was her 'outing'. She was a sargent in charge, from bossing paulus as he sat on the bed like a child to barking into the phone directives and her anger, all the way to the airport.

I'm up decorating mini cakes, it's little none's birthday and if they turn out well I'll post some photos later. No rest for the mommy's   I hope Jossy's appearance on FOX has some news for us but also won't hold my breath. It's always good to see Jossy though, he had kept the faith throughout.

Nonesuche, you hit the nail right on the head.  Everyone saw the true Anita.  Now she is the true Hitler.  She is an evil bitch of a woman.

[San]

buckeye - all good points in your post, honestly when MSM ran the video of Anita in the taxi heading to get joran when he flew into LaGuardia and Bo Dietl intervened, I do believe that was her 'outing'. She was a sargent in charge, from bossing paulus as he sat on the bed like a child to barking into the phone directives and her anger, all the way to the airport.

I'm up decorating mini cakes, it's little none's birthday and if they turn out well I'll post some photos later. No rest for the mommy's   I hope Jossy's appearance on FOX has some news for us but also won't hold my breath. It's always good to see Jossy though, he had kept the faith throughout.

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Happy Birthday to little None!! Mine was yesterday...big party last night...big head this morning!!

Happy Birthday Atlmetroguy.

[Peaches]

buckeye - all good points in your post, honestly when MSM ran the video of Anita in the taxi heading to get joran when he flew into LaGuardia and Bo Dietl intervened, I do believe that was her 'outing'. She was a sargent in charge, from bossing paulus as he sat on the bed like a child to barking into the phone directives and her anger, all the way to the airport.

I'm up decorating mini cakes, it's little none's birthday and if they turn out well I'll post some photos later. No rest for the mommy's   I hope Jossy's appearance on FOX has some news for us but also won't hold my breath. It's always good to see Jossy though, he had kept the faith throughout.

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Happy Birthday to little None!! Mine was yesterday...big party last night...big head this morning!!

Happy Birthday to YOU! and to Little None.  
You have to learn to pace yourself.......

[Peaches]

Peaches

Woke up toooo early with too much "thinking" time.

I resemble that remark.

[Buckeye]

San

I have a tendency to believe Freddy was in on the planning, because he was involved that night.  I think they tried to cover for Joran and keep Freddy from being named.  I think he knew and was involved in all the planning.  When Freddy's dad found out, he assisted Freddy in staying out of it. Freddy knew all the stories but forgot which one happened in which order.  End game:  they all knew they needed to get Joran away from being the last one with Natalee.

[Peaches]

San

I have a tendency to believe Freddy was in on the planning, because he was involved that night.  I think they tried to cover for Joran and keep Freddy from being named.  I think he knew and was involved in all the planning.  When Freddy's dad found out, he assisted Freddy in staying out of it. Freddy knew all the stories but forgot which one happened in which order.  End game:  they all knew they needed to get Joran away from being the last one with Natalee.

It's a shame that didn't work out for them.

I'm okay with not hearing from the Dutch investigators.  I think they should take all the time they need.  I believe Jossy when he said they could have closed the case with three or four officers.  Nope, don't need a locked room and a big team for that.

[thecuz]

Ok SB - here's one for you:



1) Concentrate on the four dots in the middle of the picture for about 30 seconds.

2) The close your eyes and tilt your head back.

3) Keep your eyes closed. You will see a circle of light. Continue looking at the circle...

What do you see?

i am still trying to figure out how you can see Jesus from this odd picture
but sure enough...i see jesus!...i hope that is a good thing
good morning...and it is a beautiful day!

[San]

San

I have a tendency to believe Freddy was in on the planning, because he was involved that night.  I think they tried to cover for Joran and keep Freddy from being named.  I think he knew and was involved in all the planning.  When Freddy's dad found out, he assisted Freddy in staying out of it. Freddy knew all the stories but forgot which one happened in which order.  End game:  they all knew they needed to get Joran away from being the last one with Natalee.

Exactly Buckeye.

They desperately tried to keep Freddy's name out of it in the beginning and then we all found out that Paulus got him an attorney the first week just like the Kalpoes.

I also think Paulus is trying to keep Freddy's name out of the mix because Freddy's family has connections also and not the good kind of connections.  Freddy's brother Ernesto is a POS and has Mafia connections.  Those connections are through their father.  JMO.

[wreck]

I don't think the Dutch investigation is a sham. If they simply wanted to close the case, there would be one big "suicide" along with a staged note of the person "confessing" to the crime!
I think the Dutch are aware that they have only one crack at -- they must dot every "i" and cross every "t".

[Buckeye]

San

I have a tendency to believe Freddy was in on the planning, because he was involved that night.  I think they tried to cover for Joran and keep Freddy from being named.  I think he knew and was involved in all the planning.  When Freddy's dad found out, he assisted Freddy in staying out of it. Freddy knew all the stories but forgot which one happened in which order.  End game:  they all knew they needed to get Joran away from being the last one with Natalee.

Exactly Buckeye.

They desperately tried to keep Freddy's name out of it in the beginning and then we all found out that Paulus got him an attorney the first week just like the Kalpoes.

I also think Paulus is trying to keep Freddy's name out of the mix because Freddy's family has connections also and not the good kind of connections.  Freddy's brother Ernesto is a POS and has Mafia connections.  Those connections are through their father.  JMO.

 

[Kat_Gram]

Happy Birthday to Little None... you are right a Mumma's work is never done !
And a Happy Birthday to Metro...
..
Yes, do not look into a puppy's eyes, or a kitty's either... it's dangerous.
.. they can hypnotize you and before you know it, you are asking the how much questions and you are bringing them home ..
..
I used to have a fairly good opinion of Anita, I must have been projecting my whole Mumma thing onto her. The NY trip and her behaviour, well I was reminded of a dog I didn't like, a neighbour's rotweiler. Anita even looks like one, the thick neck, the fat paws, the eyes that look one blink away from a seizure.
I do not want to insult rotweilers, but that neighbour's doggie, well they moved. It was a scary dog.

[Buckeye]

and....when kbm (Kawish/Joran) was posting he tried very hard to have us look at GVS's "bloody" shirt ("Greta knows").  Anything or anyone to get Joran away from being the last with Natalee.

sorry, Joran....healthy women do not have to be "found"...only those that can not recover.  

[San]

San

I have a tendency to believe Freddy was in on the planning, because he was involved that night.  I think they tried to cover for Joran and keep Freddy from being named.  I think he knew and was involved in all the planning.  When Freddy's dad found out, he assisted Freddy in staying out of it. Freddy knew all the stories but forgot which one happened in which order.  End game:  they all knew they needed to get Joran away from being the last one with Natalee.

Exactly Buckeye.

They desperately tried to keep Freddy's name out of it in the beginning and then we all found out that Paulus got him an attorney the first week just like the Kalpoes.

I also think Paulus is trying to keep Freddy's name out of the mix because Freddy's family has connections also and not the good kind of connections.  Freddy's brother Ernesto is a POS and has Mafia connections.  Those connections are through their father.  JMO.

 

Just wanted to add that Freddy is the dumbest out of the bunch.  He makes Deepak look like a genius.

[BTgirl]

Just wanted to add that Freddy is the dumbest out of the bunch.  He makes Deepak look like a genius.

Freddy's head is too full of evil to have any room for a brain.  

Morning monkeys, and Happy Birthday to Little None and Metro.

[San]

and....when kbm (Kawish/Joran) was posting he tried very hard to have us look at GVS's "bloody" shirt ("Greta knows").  Anything or anyone to get Joran away from being the last with Natalee.

sorry, Joran....healthy women do not have to be "found"...only those that can not recover.  

I remember when he was posting and I said something like why doesn't he spread the word about the statements and have people read them.  His answer was why so they can find him guilty.  That says a lot doesn't it.

[adoronron]

I think Deepak said in the back of the police vehicle that everything they had done was for Joran and then Joran mentions to him the attorneys that Paulus has employed, so it might be that some way of other Paulus has all the evidence that Deepak has and Paulus was the one who ensured an automobile transfer to go for investigation, telling Deepak all along that it did not matter who committed the crime, that he was the adult who had a young tourist girl in his car and that whatever went wrong, Deepak was responsible and further intimidating and coercing Deepak to the point that he was frightened into turning over any/everything to Freddy on Paulus' behalf or for Anita.  Perhaps Paulus threatened them with deportation or is there something that Nadira has done that is illegal that she was fired for and that Paulus is privy to but is a well-guarded secret and maybe Paulus is one of the few who knows it and/or has and will protect her.  I can see these boys doing this for their mother.  If you understand Indian culture, then the #1 son is responsible for his mother, his siblings when the father is absent.  

I am beginning to beileve Deepak has nothing over Joran and that Paulus and Joran have intimidated their "slaves" into believing that Paulus and Joran, perhaps in collusion with Freddy and Guido could can the K2.  The K2 are not in the same social league as the others; therefore, it would be easy in a country such as Aruba where there is obviously no form of justice to pin everything on them as it was about to be done to Mickey John & Abraham Jones.

Hi Monkeys.

I got back from a short vacation a few days ago and it has taken a while to catch up.
That was an interesting discussion you all had last night on the possible reasons 2K have not talked.
I was going to throw some of my opinion on this 2K silence out a while back but hesitated because it seems when I do express my opinions it causes some controversy and a bit of infighting, which is not my intention. The last time I spoke up I shared my opinion on the um… er…..um……..the size 14 footwear.

Anyway here’s my take on the 2K silence.

This statement by joran; “If they find the girl, then they will see that/the shit” was not referencing physical evidence on Natalee that would incriminate 2K. It is instead a warning from joran to 2K letting them know, that if the real truth comes out, some sort of dirt joran and paulus have on 2K will be made public. I think included in the ‘dirt’ are pics/videos of depak having his way with Natalee.
Depak calls someone and says she had her hand in his pants, etc.. Later he claims he said that to throw the investigation off course. BS BS BS. When the cops let him know they were aware of that phone conversation he came up with the ‘throw the investigation off course’ lie.
It’s possible the ‘I hit the jackpot’ phone call joran references during their police car back seat conversation is a call depak made letting someone know he is going to make some money with the pics/video.
Paulus went to Fla to ensure any and all pics/videos from that night, and any other pics/videos from prior escapades were completey removed from porn web sites, wiped from the internet, and he obtained any and all pics/videos containing depak. Paulus has that ‘dirt’ stashed somewhere off the island. While the security guards were in jail, Paulus lets depak know that he already has, or soon will have, the ‘dirt’ on depak, that all ‘dirt on any others involved has already been, or will be completey eliminated, that the only pics/videos left are those showing depak. “if they find the girl, they will see that/the shit”.

When depak says “freddy needs to tell the truth”, he (depak) at that point in time thinks the beach story is the truth. It’s not. But, freddy, I believe, knows the real truth and did early on.

I have a hunch who Meneses is. Need to check a few more things out first before I settle on this individual.

I have about five hours of grass mowing to do today. Five acres of yard that grew quite a bit while we were on vacation. So, I won’t be back checking in here for quite a while. I don’t like dropping my opinions off like this and appearing to run off, but I’m busy with this that and the other all the time.

Ado

[klaasend]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1266523,00.html

Crowds Swell At New Wembley
Updated: 13:41, Saturday May 19, 2007

Crowds are gathering at the new Wembley stadium for the 90,000 sell-out crowd at the FA Cup final between Chelsea and Manchester United.

(snipped)



Wonder if Joran is there?

[Kat_Gram]

and....when kbm (Kawish/Joran) was posting he tried very hard to have us look at GVS's "bloody" shirt ("Greta knows").  Anything or anyone to get Joran away from being the last with Natalee.

sorry, Joran....healthy women do not have to be "found"...only those that can not recover.  

Hey I loved that JukeBox site. I bookmarked it. Kool ! I played some old " swing " that I like, reminds me of my parents. They were into music and dancing in a big way. My Dad was a dancer and a good one...... He had a Zoot suit      which he wore with a fedora.

[San]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1266523,00.html

Crowds Swell At New Wembley
Updated: 13:41, Saturday May 19, 2007

Crowds are gathering at the new Wembley stadium for the 90,000 sell-out crowd at the FA Cup final between Chelsea and Manchester United.

(snipped)



Wonder if Joran is there?