Lively Case Discussion #623 5/17 - 5/19/2007

[Kat_Gram]

They will be doing I guess Public Service Announcements for the missing little girl, Maddy at the soccer game. The reward is five million.

[klaasend]

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Also - JR Dutch Attorney has not posted at FOB since May 5th

[klaasend]

They will be doing I guess Public Service Announcements for the missing little girl, Maddy at the soccer game. The reward is five million.

Yes they are which is very cool.  I pray they find that little girl!

[Tylergal]

Anita directing behind the curtain.  Look at that evil smile.

[Kat_Gram]

I still think that JR Dutch shyster and Renfro have been threatened with a lawsuit.

[San]

I think Deepak said in the back of the police vehicle that everything they had done was for Joran and then Joran mentions to him the attorneys that Paulus has employed, so it might be that some way of other Paulus has all the evidence that Deepak has and Paulus was the one who ensured an automobile transfer to go for investigation, telling Deepak all along that it did not matter who committed the crime, that he was the adult who had a young tourist girl in his car and that whatever went wrong, Deepak was responsible and further intimidating and coercing Deepak to the point that he was frightened into turning over any/everything to Freddy on Paulus' behalf or for Anita.  Perhaps Paulus threatened them with deportation or is there something that Nadira has done that is illegal that she was fired for and that Paulus is privy to but is a well-guarded secret and maybe Paulus is one of the few who knows it and/or has and will protect her.  I can see these boys doing this for their mother.  If you understand Indian culture, then the #1 son is responsible for his mother, his siblings when the father is absent.  

I am beginning to beileve Deepak has nothing over Joran and that Paulus and Joran have intimidated their "slaves" into believing that Paulus and Joran, perhaps in collusion with Freddy and Guido could can the K2.  The K2 are not in the same social league as the others; therefore, it would be easy in a country such as Aruba where there is obviously no form of justice to pin everything on them as it was about to be done to Mickey John & Abraham Jones.

Hi Monkeys.

I got back from a short vacation a few days ago and it has taken a while to catch up.
That was an interesting discussion you all had last night on the possible reasons 2K have not talked.
I was going to throw some of my opinion on this 2K silence out a while back but hesitated because it seems when I do express my opinions it causes some controversy and a bit of infighting, which is not my intention. The last time I spoke up I shared my opinion on the um… er…..um……..the size 14 footwear.

Anyway here’s my take on the 2K silence.

This statement by joran; “If they find the girl, then they will see that/the shit” was not referencing physical evidence on Natalee that would incriminate 2K. It is instead a warning from joran to 2K letting them know, that if the real truth comes out, some sort of dirt joran and paulus have on 2K will be made public. I think included in the ‘dirt’ are pics/videos of depak having his way with Natalee.
Depak calls someone and says she had her hand in his pants, etc.. Later he claims he said that to throw the investigation off course. BS BS BS. When the cops let him know they were aware of that phone conversation he came up with the ‘throw the investigation off course’ lie.
It’s possible the ‘I hit the jackpot’ phone call joran references during their police car back seat conversation is a call depak made letting someone know he is going to make some money with the pics/video.
Paulus went to Fla to ensure any and all pics/videos from that night, and any other pics/videos from prior escapades were completey removed from porn web sites, wiped from the internet, and he obtained any and all pics/videos containing depak. Paulus has that ‘dirt’ stashed somewhere off the island. While the security guards were in jail, Paulus lets depak know that he already has, or soon will have, the ‘dirt’ on depak, that all ‘dirt on any others involved has already been, or will be completey eliminated, that the only pics/videos left are those showing depak. “if they find the girl, they will see that/the shit”.

When depak says “freddy needs to tell the truth”, he (depak) at that point in time thinks the beach story is the truth. It’s not. But, freddy, I believe, knows the real truth and did early on.

I have a hunch who Meneses is. Need to check a few more things out first before I settle on this individual.

I have about five hours of grass mowing to do today. Five acres of yard that grew quite a bit while we were on vacation. So, I won’t be back checking in here for quite a while. I don’t like dropping my opinions off like this and appearing to run off, but I’m busy with this that and the other all the time.

Ado

What I don't get is how Paulus actions were not monitored when he came to our country.  I hope to god our FBI was monitoring his actions and what ever Paulus has they also have a copy because this is too embarrassing to even swallow that they let this old pervert do this in our own damn country.

[BTgirl]

I still think that JR Dutch shyster and Renfro have been threatened with a lawsuit.

I believe (as we say here in the south) that the Dutch have put the quietus on Renfro and JR.

[justinsmama]

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Also - JR Dutch Attorney has not posted at FOB since May 5th

And yet, no one is searching for either of them. Not the Dutch Marines, not the Aruban citizens, not ALE. Media does not seem to give a diddly squat either. Hmmm. Guess no one cares? Muhahaha!

[Tylergal]

San

I have a tendency to believe Freddy was in on the planning, because he was involved that night.  I think they tried to cover for Joran and keep Freddy from being named.  I think he knew and was involved in all the planning.  When Freddy's dad found out, he assisted Freddy in staying out of it. Freddy knew all the stories but forgot which one happened in which order.  End game:  they all knew they needed to get Joran away from being the last one with Natalee.

Deepak, you get to choose your last meal soon.  Make sure it is something you really like.  You will not know it, but you should be eating well.  The clock is ticking and Arubans have been practicing for a while to ensure your suicide goes without a glitch.  What about that "choller?"  Think long and hard.  Sing for us, Deepak.

Bye bye, Miss American Pie.  I drove the car to the beach but the beach was dry.  She just smiled and turned around.  I went down to C&Cs where I had heard the music before, but the man said the music would not play.  In the streets the children play, not a word is spoken, and soon your neck is going to be broken.  The Father, Son and Anita caught the last train.  They were singing, Bye, Bye, Deepak, GooBye, them good old slaves drinking whisky and rye....this will be the day that you die. Bye, Bye Mr. Deepak, goodbye.

[klaasend]

IWABWU just posted a series of Aruba photos that reminded me of something we talked about a long time ago.  Is it possible JK2 were never at the FH near the Marriott, could the FH actually be the small ones near the Lighthouse (which would be near the rocks)?

Their sighting at the pond near the FH could have been after "something bad happened" near the Lighthouse?

[Buckeye]

and....when kbm (Kawish/Joran) was posting he tried very hard to have us look at GVS's "bloody" shirt ("Greta knows").  Anything or anyone to get Joran away from being the last with Natalee.

sorry, Joran....healthy women do not have to be "found"...only those that can not recover.  

Hey I loved that JukeBox site. I bookmarked it. Kool ! I played some old " swing " that I like, reminds me of my parents. They were into music and dancing in a big way. My Dad was a dancer and a good one...... He had a Zoot suit      which he wore with a fedora.

I'm into Beatles and 60s today.  Did Blues and Jazz last night.  I love it!!

[Kat_Gram]

Well Bt Girlie, maybe.. they sure did try and were successful in spinning their evil stories and crapping up the case as we know it. Why is my question. Why stick you neck out so far for a suspect(s) ?
Money ? ATA ? I just can't fathom that behaviour on their part.

[Kat_Gram]

We did discuss the " other " huts. It is still a possibility. All David Kock would say about the long phone call was it made " north of the Marriott ". That encompasses a lot of territory. Maybe that is what the Dutch were trying to figure out at Deepak's rat shack last week.
HotShot's post last night was a scream.

[justinsmama]

Well Bt Girlie, maybe.. they sure did try and were successful in spinning their evil stories and crapping up the case as we know it. Why is my question. Why stick you neck out so far for a suspect(s) ?Money ? ATA ? I just can't fathom that behaviour on their part.

1. Pathology (personality disordered)

2. Money

3. Involved in actual crime(s)

4. All or a combination of above ( #1 is required for #'s 2 and 3)

[Tylergal]

I think Deepak said in the back of the police vehicle that everything they had done was for Joran and then Joran mentions to him the attorneys that Paulus has employed, so it might be that some way of other Paulus has all the evidence that Deepak has and Paulus was the one who ensured an automobile transfer to go for investigation, telling Deepak all along that it did not matter who committed the crime, that he was the adult who had a young tourist girl in his car and that whatever went wrong, Deepak was responsible and further intimidating and coercing Deepak to the point that he was frightened into turning over any/everything to Freddy on Paulus' behalf or for Anita.  Perhaps Paulus threatened them with deportation or is there something that Nadira has done that is illegal that she was fired for and that Paulus is privy to but is a well-guarded secret and maybe Paulus is one of the few who knows it and/or has and will protect her.  I can see these boys doing this for their mother.  If you understand Indian culture, then the #1 son is responsible for his mother, his siblings when the father is absent.  

I am beginning to beileve Deepak has nothing over Joran and that Paulus and Joran have intimidated their "slaves" into believing that Paulus and Joran, perhaps in collusion with Freddy and Guido could can the K2.  The K2 are not in the same social league as the others; therefore, it would be easy in a country such as Aruba where there is obviously no form of justice to pin everything on them as it was about to be done to Mickey John & Abraham Jones.

Hi Monkeys.

I got back from a short vacation a few days ago and it has taken a while to catch up.
That was an interesting discussion you all had last night on the possible reasons 2K have not talked.
I was going to throw some of my opinion on this 2K silence out a while back but hesitated because it seems when I do express my opinions it causes some controversy and a bit of infighting, which is not my intention. The last time I spoke up I shared my opinion on the um… er…..um……..the size 14 footwear.

Anyway here’s my take on the 2K silence.

This statement by joran; “If they find the girl, then they will see that/the shit” was not referencing physical evidence on Natalee that would incriminate 2K. It is instead a warning from joran to 2K letting them know, that if the real truth comes out, some sort of dirt joran and paulus have on 2K will be made public. I think included in the ‘dirt’ are pics/videos of depak having his way with Natalee.
Depak calls someone and says she had her hand in his pants, etc.. Later he claims he said that to throw the investigation off course. BS BS BS. When the cops let him know they were aware of that phone conversation he came up with the ‘throw the investigation off course’ lie.
It’s possible the ‘I hit the jackpot’ phone call joran references during their police car back seat conversation is a call depak made letting someone know he is going to make some money with the pics/video.
Paulus went to Fla to ensure any and all pics/videos from that night, and any other pics/videos from prior escapades were completey removed from porn web sites, wiped from the internet, and he obtained any and all pics/videos containing depak. Paulus has that ‘dirt’ stashed somewhere off the island. While the security guards were in jail, Paulus lets depak know that he already has, or soon will have, the ‘dirt’ on depak, that all ‘dirt on any others involved has already been, or will be completey eliminated, that the only pics/videos left are those showing depak. “if they find the girl, they will see that/the shit”.

When depak says “freddy needs to tell the truth”, he (depak) at that point in time thinks the beach story is the truth. It’s not. But, freddy, I believe, knows the real truth and did early on.

I have a hunch who Meneses is. Need to check a few more things out first before I settle on this individual.

I have about five hours of grass mowing to do today. Five acres of yard that grew quite a bit while we were on vacation. So, I won’t be back checking in here for quite a while. I don’t like dropping my opinions off like this and appearing to run off, but I’m busy with this that and the other all the time.

Ado

Ado, opinions are what this board is made of.  That is the reason it is here.  We all have opinions and in-fighting keeps us healthy.  We do it all the time and then we return here as friends who have a common goal.  We are the cyber attorneys and detectives, opinators, etc., and never, never, never feel that when your opinion is dropped off, that it is wrong, because we all need to offer various opinions because therein lies the truth that will give Beth & Dave some answers about their lovely daughter, and hopefully some kind of punishment for this skank from Aruba, the VDS and K2.

[Tylergal]

and....when kbm (Kawish/Joran) was posting he tried very hard to have us look at GVS's "bloody" shirt ("Greta knows").  Anything or anyone to get Joran away from being the last with Natalee.

sorry, Joran....healthy women do not have to be "found"...only those that can not recover.  

Hey I loved that JukeBox site. I bookmarked it. Kool ! I played some old " swing " that I like, reminds me of my parents. They were into music and dancing in a big way. My Dad was a dancer and a good one...... He had a Zoot suit      which he wore with a fedora.

It's a great link, huh, Kat?  I liked it too.  What sweet memories of your parents and what an honor to play music they loved.

[Kat_Gram]

I read somewhere where DeVries thought that the shoes had to go because there was evidence on them from Joran kicking Natalee.
In Freddy's statement he says the girl fell several times on the way to the beach.

[Tylergal]

STILL





Also - JR Dutch Attorney has not posted at FOB since May 5th

And yet, no one is searching for either of them. Not the Dutch Marines, not the Aruban citizens, not ALE. Media does not seem to give a diddly squat either. Hmmm. Guess no one cares? Muhahaha!

I bet that is what they all did on their holiday (like with Natalee), get paid to search for missing people.  

[tcumom]

Buckeye or anyone ~ Could you please post that music link again?  Thanks.  

[Buckeye]

IWABWU just posted a series of Aruba photos that reminded me of something we talked about a long time ago.  Is it possible JK2 were never at the FH near the Marriott, could the FH actually be the small ones near the Lighthouse (which would be near the rocks)?

Their sighting at the pond near the FH could have been after "something bad happened" near the Lighthouse?

If there was a beach or a hut...I always felt it was Arashi.  Deepak tries to account for being seen outside the car (peeing), so I do think they were seen there and by the racquet club.

If the main problem was Arashi, they could have gone to Sloots to regroup.  Satish sent home for alibi.  Freddy the third one in the Deepakmobile.  Trying to get Natalee closer to the hotels for the alibi.
Long call to Satish to update him (and give further directions to keep chatting)....