Lively Case Discussion #628 5/25 - 5/26/2007

[sb]

The media types don't follow the case like we do. They have a 10-cent working knowledge of basic facts, whereas we have the gold mine HERE in our Cage with far more accurate and updated info. Plus, we tend to concentrate on only this case, with some attention to other events. Natalee is now a sidebar, unfortunately, to the media. They are busy with Anna Nicole and Paris Hilton and that type of story.

[klaasend]

I think there is more chapter 8 to follow

Translated by Ramm at BFN

Chapter 8 - Joran meets Natalee

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Joran talks about being in the excelsior on the 29th of Mai and writes that this has been his habit for several months.

He is there at 4pm and writes that this week his father joined him, his father loathes gambling but because Joran is so into poker he has come to see what attracts Joran to it.

Joran writes that he thinks he is quite good at it and he has won some reasonably big tournaments. He writes then about these wins (1400$ for 1st place, 1200$ for shared first place, 400$ for second etc. etc. He writes that he has been in approx. 30 tournaments.

He writes that they were playing in a Texas Hold Em tournament and then explains the rules. After about 2 hours Joran is out but his dad is still in. He writes that this was his dad's first and from what he understands last visit to a casino. Joran spends the rest of the time hanging around.

During recess Paul decides to go home because Jorans 10 year old brother is about to be dropped off at home. Anita he writes is in the Netherlands for his grannies 90th birthday.

Joran takes over Paul's seat and in the end he ends up 4th place winner and wins 200$. He plans to play some black jack with that money.

Then Joran writes about the Soul Beach Music festival, he writes about the fact that it was memorial day weekend and who is performing, the price of the tickets and the fact that many people from around Aruba (Venezuela, other islands) have sailed/boated over the for the festivities.

At approx. 9.30pm he goes to the black jack table, a group of girls walks over to him and asks if he speaks English and whether he is any good at black jack, Joran says that he his "allright".

The group of 4 to 5 mountain brook students introduces themselves to him and they join him at the table. One girl asks how old he is and he lies that he is 19.


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Joran thinks one of the girls (Ruth) has taken a fancy to him and sits to the left of him asking Joran for his help in the game (win back the 360$ she lost). Joran writes that he tries to help them all in the game etc. etc.

Joran says that Ruth liked him because he was not flirting with her.

Joran advises Ruth to quit even though she only recuperated 260$. Her friends agree and Ruth cashes out. She starts talking to Joran, asking him where he is from and what he is doing on Aruba.

Joran tells her he is dutch but lives on Aruba, son of a judge and an art school teaching mother and that he is about to sit his final exams.

Ruth asks him what he is planning to do tonight and she introduces Joran to her friends, one of them is a blond blue eyed girl. She was sitting at the opposite side of the table and Joran had hardly noticed her.

The girls invite Joran to go to C&C's and he says he can't due to the fact that he has exams in the morning. But they insist and Joran says that he will see what he can do but that he is not promising to come.

Joran writes that Natalee and Ruth ate some nachos and went to the soul beach concert of Boyz 2 men and Lauren Hill.

Joran writes that he knows his dad will not allow him to go because he has a mock exam in the morning to prepare him for Wednesday's real thing. They walk to the sports bar and there he meets Luis and Joshua. They greet, Luis and Joshua are also C&C veterans, they pick up girls there. Joran swings by the girls and they say to him that he must not forget to come to C&C's that night. He again says he will do his best.

Joran walks out of the casino and calls Jaime to ask him to come to C&C's with him because he needs a ride to get there. Jaime says no go, he has to work the next day. Joran says to Jaime that he will ask Deepak to come.

At approx. 11pm he calls Paul for a ride home and he is picked up at McD's which is a couple of hundred yards from the casino.


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Joran says he lost on the phone to his dad because he wants to surprise him with the winnings. He goes into MacD and calls Deepak to ask him to come to C&C's and Deepak agrees. Deepak says he doesn't have to work the next day and that he will just finish closing up Cyberzone and then go home, have a bath and come to his place.

Then comes part of a Deepak statement from June 11th 05:

I was picked up from work by my brother Satish. On the way home we were bit by ants in the car. I had told my brother to
clean the car when we got back home because if girls would be joining us they would also get bitten. We had not agreed
that girls would come with us in the car but just in case that would happen my brother and me cleaned the car.


Joran writes he bought a McFlurry and got picked up by his dad. Joran hit the shower, got dressed (white blue shirt, jeans and a pair of white K-swiss sneakers) and waits for Deepak to arrive. He has not said a word to his dad because he would say no. Around midnight Deepak still is a no show and Joran calls him and hears that Deepak is on the way to him.

Joran talks about his 2 girls at that time. He calls Flor to ask her to come to C&C's but she says she is not allowed. Joran prints a school assignment and lays out his school stuff and school clothes for next day.

At 12.05am Deepak appears with a not expected ride-along (Satish).

Around 12.30 they arrive at the parking lot of C&C's, as usual they turn heads with Deepaks pimped up ride. It has a body kit, 2 screens in the cars, a wonderful sound system and non-stop videoclips.

A little after 10pm the biggest group of MB kids goes to Oranjestad. Madison leaves at 10.30pm with some other students. Natalee, Ruth, Tracy and John take a cab. When the bus arrives at C&C's an unknown black men leaves the bus together with the students. He stares at Lee and follows the group into the bar. Then Joran uses information from the 302's to piece together the events in the bar (DJ playing sweet home Alabama, the girls go dancing wildly on the dance floor, the man tries to dance with the girls, Natalee sitting at the bar).

From a police statement we learn that the bartender Carlos Medina has stated serving the girls cocktails like Arubariba etc.


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at approx. 10.45am they switch to body shots. Natalee is the first one to get onto the bar and get "body shot" by fellow MB pupil Beau Barron. The bartender pulls up the top of Natalee to put the body shot on her belly but he pulls it up so high her breasts are almost exposed and Natalee covers them with her hands and says "No, stop".

the man from the bus and another unknown white guy with brown hair are watching Natalee give bodyshots. Natalee has spoken to neither of them. Ruth and Natalee talk to an Amsterdam man called "G". He says that he is on Aruba for the summer and has an apartment.

Lee and Natalee dance on the stage until midnight. Madison is also on the podium and sees the dutch man from the casino enter, she is surprised because he earlier said that C&C's sucks on a Sunday night. Jeremy Brown, Natalee's ex is on the stage and dances shortly with Natalee. Although she has had alcohol, he describes her as not drunk. Bartender Medina agrees, he also adds she looked very happy.

At 12.20am Joran shows his VP card at the door and they get in free. Before he knows it Ruth hugs him for winning back the money. Joran thinks she is attractive and asks her how she is doing.

Ruth then says he needs to go and dance with her friend. Joran is surprised. Ruth points out Natalee with whom Joran so far has barely spoken too.

Natalee and Lee go to the bathroom and after that Natalee goes back on the podium. Joran stands and watches near the steps to the podium and watches Natalee.

The blond girl sees him, makes and hand gesture to come up and calls to Joran asking him to come up and dance with her.

Joran refuses, saying he wants first to have a drink with his mates. He again mentions not having noticed Natalee and expressing his interest for Ruth.

He buys the drinks, they walk back to the bar, Natalee is still doing a sexy dance. She jumps off the podium, grabs Joran's hand and says "Hi, how are you?".

Then she pulls him over to the bar to have Joran do a body shot off of her. She jumps on the bar, lies down and yells "Jelloshot". The bartender knows the drill and does what was asked, Joran licks it up and Natalee pays for the shot.

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Joran thinks Natalee is drunk and smells alcohol on her breath. After that Natalee held Joran's hand.

Lee does a few more bodyshots at the bar, Madison leaves C&C's at about 12.30am because fellow MB student Jolly is really really drunk and needs to be escorted back to the hotel. Madison leaves with Ruth, Trey, Holly and Mary.

While Ruth departs she sees Joran and Nat talking and waves. Ruth says she did not think Natalee looked that drunk.

Natalee had wanted another bodyshot but the bar had closed by that time and they walked over to another one that was still open. Joran asked her what she wanted to drink and she said she did not mind as long as it had lots of alcohol in it, so Joran ordered 2 bacardi 151's.

Natalee asks if she should drink it in one, Joran says yes but she says she will do it in 2. She drinks it and after that she says she needs a chaser and Joran gives her some of his Yard.

By that time it is 1am and C&C is closing. Lee looks for Natalee. Lee leaves with the masses from C&C to a bar a little down the road that is still open but unfortunately cannot find her and heads to the hotel by cab at about 1.30am.

Natalee, Joran and Satish go outside, they are walking with a group of MB students. Natalee tells them she will go with me and that she will meet up with them at the HI. Hand in hand they walk to the car. Deepak asks in papiaments what they are going to do.

Deepak drives, Satish is in the front, Natalee sits behind Satish and Joran is sitting behind Deepak. Natalee wants to know if they have a big house and Joran responds that it is a rather big house. Joran asks her where to go now.

Natalee says to Joran's place. He says "OK, lets go".

Natalee is coming on to Joran real strong and Joran says he had sex on his mind. She it tipsy but knows exactly what she is doing.

"Am I allowed to come home with you?" Natalee asks Joran again.

"Sure" was his response and he writes that it is her intention to go and have sex together when they arrive there. She may not have asked him outright but her body language betrays her intentions.

She tells him he has beautiful eyes and that she likes tall guys. Natalee has not spoken to the kalpoes. She asks if they are rich because of the nice car. Joran says that they are kinda rich.

On the way to his house they drive past a group of MB kids who are at the bus stop near Royal Plaza Mall. Deepak pulls over, Natalee shouts something out of the window. She is really happy at that moment and Joran thinks she is really sexy at that moment in time. She is still holding hands with him.

[Elaine]

OMG, they're back on Rosie again!

So here's my solution: Let's get that kid who killed the 1,051 hog only because it was ugly and ... heh-heh-heh    He's got the right instinct for this situation.

 LMFAO!

AND WTF is Joe Tacopenis gonna say about this Rosie BS?  I think I am gonna puke.. I swear.

You and I both! Greasy had to come in and defend Rosie......But, thank God, I don't think Jeanine likes old taco too much she cut him off LMAO!

[Tibrogargan]

   Greta said every time she talks to an Aruban lawyer, she gets a different answer.  Well, dumbcluck, talk to someone who knows what is going on or even read where there is some intelligent reporting.

Dear God, please protect us from idiots and incompetents.  

[2NJSons_Mom]

Two years have passed ... family has not given up ... a look back. blah blah blah will we ever find out?

On the phone: Greta. The best i can figure out is that the prosecutor can still pick up the three and charge them but after that the prosecutor needs new evidence. They can keep it going but there are lots more hurdles for the proesecution. What disturbs me most is the lack of communication between the prosecutors and the family.

Dave Holloway: I'm feeling more confident than I did before. When they search the VDs home that made me feel maybe they were on to something. Every day we think maybe we'll get the answer ... we have strong faith in God ... and here we are, two years. One other thing, we did have a reward out there -- it's still there.

(Jeanine talked more than Dave did.)

I was pained to hear Dave mention the reward and then Pirro asked for the damned website, and Dave was dumbfounded...like we said earlier...they the talking heads, are not well informed and she didn't know...Dave said it's posted all over the web....geez....

[2NJSons_Mom]

   Greta said every time she talks to an Aruban lawyer, she gets a different answer.  Well, dumbcluck, talk to someone who knows what is going on or even read where there is some intelligent reporting.

Dear God, please protect us from idiots and incompetents.  

Oh, Tib....did I hear this 'dumbcluck' during my lifetime...you bet your barbie..

[Tibrogargan]

I find it very strange JR,Bucheron,and Glenda all jumped ship about the same time..no explainations that we know of...maybe there has been some arrests that we haven't heard of?

I'm wondering the same  

Well for sure there's someting strange going on with the Line up tonight.

Maybe a change in schedule so Kimberly could fly down to Aruba to witness the bagging and tagging of Paulus and Joran, which insiders have told Fox news will be happening tomorrow.  Someone slap me, I'm delusional!

But we like your hallucinations LilPuma    

[greeneyedlady]

[snip] Joran says
She is really happy at that moment and Joran thinks she is really sexy at that moment in time. She is still holding hands with him.


He makes me want to slap him   He makes me sick too.

[klaasend]

[robots]

didnt watch it

wont watch her

GRETA SUCKS

 

[San]

I didn't even finish reading because I have company but just wanted to say Joran throws Deepak under the bus again.  I have always said Deepak never went to work now I know Joran is a liar but for some reason I believe him in this case:

From Joran's book:

Joran says he lost on the phone to his dad because he wants to surprise him with the winnings. He goes into MacD and calls Deepak to ask him to come to C&C's and Deepak agrees. Deepak says he doesn't have to work the next day and that he will just finish closing up Cyberzone and then go home, have a bath and come to his place. [/list]

[klaasend]

Chapter 8 continued:

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a guy shouts for her to get out of the car, and asks her what she is doing/is she crazy.

Natalee shouts out the window "Whoohaa! I love Aruba! No, I want to stay with him".

Deepak asks her that if her friends want her to get out, it might be better to do so, and whether she is sure she wants to be coming with them. Deepak doesn't want trouble with her friends.

Natalee says that she wants to leave with them. She wants to see sharks.

Joran laughs and says there aren't sharks on Aruba and you cannot see anything at night to begin with.

"You are lying" Natalee said because she insists she saw them they day before.

Then Natalee tells where she is from and that her family is rich, her father owns a plantation. She asks Joran if he too is rich. Joran says that they are not poor. His dad is a judge, his mom a teacher at ISA.

She is sitting with one of her legs against Joran. She has on a short skirt and has her hand in front of her crotch. Joran thinks that she is doing it to prevent them seeing her underpants. Even with the hand it was still easy to see it was dark blue and had flowers embroidered on them.

She tells of her good time on Aruba and about her friends hooking up with boys (Louis and Joshua).

On the way she blurts out that he mother is the sister of Hitler. I thought that meant that she did not like her mother that much. When Joran laughs at that statement she says "Sorry, I know you are German that is why I had to tell you". Joran laughed even harder because he is no German, he asks her if she is kidding and she says she is not.

Deepak had put on a DVD with music video's. One of them was Benny Benassi's video for Satisfaction. It was an x-rated version and had explicit sex-scenes in it.

Natalee says "Oh my God, what's that?".

Deepak replies "Now she must think we are perverts".

Joran tells Satish in dutch to find another song because Joran does not think it is such a good song.

A little later, at 01.40 they are in front of the gate of the van der Sloot home. Joran intends to have sex with her there and then put her on a cab to the hotel.

Natalee asks where they are. Joran says they are at his place but she says she does not want to go to his house, she wants to go to the beach.

Joran thought to himself, well, OK then, we will drive to the beach. The headed into the direction of the beach next to the Marriot, close to Natalee's hotel.

Joran then writes about how that was best, in order for her to walk to her room and that it was best because in hindsight he did not want to risk waking his brothers or father, and that he had this exam and that he had no way of bringing her to the HI.

On the way to the beach Joran asked her if she did not want to go to her hotel room instead of the beach. This was because Joran knew that Deepak did not like driving round in circles on the island (even though he had not said a thing).

[Angiex911dsptchr]

 WTF.. Read the translation and .... What a crock //
Bucket please!  

[sb]

The FBI has info that blows 95% of Joran's claims in that chapter, right out of the water. There were only about 50 or so MB kids who said that Natalee was NOT touching Joran, that she was NOT out of control and that she did NOT walk to any other bar at all. That's for starters.

Joran even contradicts himself. What happened to the sharks and the slaves? LOL. This guy is in Fantasyland.

I'm signing out for the night but will check in here over this weekend... finally some REST for me... y'all have a good one!

[Sue]

OK so the bar closed at 1 am why did it take 40 minutes to get from
C&C's to Jorans house  

[Rob]

The civil suit against the Excelsior looks to be complete. Joran himself hangs Posner.  That makes JQK's job very easy...

Now how will Posner react to this latest set of revelations?

[greeneyedlady]

Joran says Natalee wanted to go to the beach? What happened to the shark story?

[klaasend]

Joran says Natalee wanted to go to the beach? What happened to the shark story?

What happened to the condom story  

[BTgirl]

I like how he tries to explain how he knows what Natalee's underwear looks like. He expects us to believe that he is sitting beside a girl in a dark car and she has her hand in her lap, and he can still see her underwear well enough to describe it in detail?      

[greeneyedlady]

Joran says Natalee wanted to go to the beach? What happened to the shark story?

What happened to the condom story  

Maybe all this in the next chapter.