Lively Case Discussion #628 5/25 - 5/26/2007

[lnichols]

Well, I haven't been talking tonight, but I have been reading.... Wow... Joran never ceases to amaze me...
The words I have are just not appropriate for anyone...
I will be heading out for the evening... prayers for Natalee

[igsigs]

In the transcript, there is a change in tense at a crucial moment. Present tense: they are sitting in front of the vds house and jvds wants natalie to go inside. Switch to past tense: he took her to the beach instead. It reads like a cut-to moment in a movie. He takes us up to the front door ... and then switches to the beach story in a whole different tone of voice. The switch from truth to lie occurs there?

For sure...good catch. Considering the Kalpoes deny even stopping by the house, this specific time period is problematic.

[klaasend]

Continued chapter 8

page 13 + 14

It would also be nicer for the 2 Kalpoes because her friends would be there but she said "No, no, no, no, not to my hotel".

Deepak says maybe we should drive by the lighthouse. Joran receives a text message from Flor but cannot remember what it said, but he did not respond.

Then it writes about the route they drove (certified supercenter, Kong hing supermarket) etc. etc.

That at about Hooters Natalee and he started kissing. They kissed for a long time until they reach McD's, they drive past there and her hotel because she does not want to go there.

Joran asks Deepak if they are going to the lighthouse, he says they are but never make it there.

When the drive past the Marriot Natalee half way falls asleep on his leg. Joran thinks to himself that he is drunk too, but not so drunk that he would fall asleep. She startles awake.

"Are you OK", Joran asks and she confirms that she is and starts kissing him again. Natalee places one hand on Joran's crotch. I take my hand and put it between her legs, with the other hand I start fondling her breasts. When we drive past the Marriot towards Tierra del Sol, Joran pushes Natalee's panties to one side and starts masturbating/fingering her with 2 fingers. Joran thinks Natalee has had a shave in the pubic area and is hairless. During this time the kissing still continues. It is starting to get very hot in the car and he stops fingering her, in part due to the fact that it is a bit embarrassing with the 2 Kalpoes in the same car.

They start kissing again and Natalee asks if the 2 Kalpoes are his slaves. No Joran laughs and asks her why?

Natalee responds that her parents have a plantation and the people who work there are black guys. To her all blacks are slaves.

Joran does not know if the Kalpoes heard this or not.

Then Natalee and Joran are dropped off at the side of the Marriot and they walk to the beach. Deepak says that he should call if he needs a ride home. This he asks because he knows what is going to happen now, due to all the kissing in the back seat, they drive home.

Natalee and Joran walk kissing to the beach, him helping her walk due to her inebriation. Joran takes off his K-swiss because he does not want sand in them and they walk towards her hotel.

when she realizes this, she heads into the other direction.

Joran thinks the spot is fine, they lay down on the sand and start kissing again. He puts his shoes on the beach.

After a while Natalee gets up and says "let's go to the jacuzzi, or better yet, lets go this way". They head into the direction where it is much more quiet because there are no hotels on the beach there, they walk away from the HI towards the fishermans huts.

Hand in hand they walk through the water and talk about all kind of things.

They get to the beach and get down in the sand again. She on the bottom and he on top of her. They start kissing and fondling each other, heavy petting/dry f***ing so to speak. I am looking for my wallet and think/realize, no condom and curses to himself knowing that this means no intercourse

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Dave is in BFN chat right now

 Sue are you reading there? What is he saying?

[Kat_Gram]

At approx. 11pm he calls Paul for a ride home and he is picked up at McD's which is a couple of hundred yards from the casino.
.. was there a phone record of this ?

[LilPuma]

Told Paulus that he lost $$$ so that he could surprise him?

Guess Paulus did not take the *surprise* that well? Ends up calling Guido to confirm it?

Like us, Paulus wonders where Joran is getting his drinking-gambling funds.  My guess is the same place Joe Tacopina is getting his fees.  

[LilPuma]

Well, I haven't been talking tonight, but I have been reading.... Wow... Joran never ceases to amaze me...
The words I have are just not appropriate for anyone...
I will be heading out for the evening... prayers for Natalee

Have a good evening.  Joran is anything but a member of the brain trust that some want us to believe.

[BTgirl]

"They start kissing again and Natalee asks if the 2 Kalpoes are his slaves. No Joran laughs and asks her why?

Natalee responds that her parents have a plantation and the people who work there are black guys. To her all blacks are slaves."


That is absolutely the most ridiculous thing I have ever read in my entire life. Can anyone here imagine Natalee saying anything even close to that? Pfffttt!!!!!

[San]

"They start kissing again and Natalee asks if the 2 Kalpoes are his slaves. No Joran laughs and asks her why?

Natalee responds that her parents have a plantation and the people who work there are black guys. To her all blacks are slaves."


That is absolutely the most ridiculous thing I have ever read in my entire life. Can anyone here imagine Natalee saying anything even close to that? Pfffttt!!!!!

Only a Sloot can say something this this.

[Sue]

Dave is in BFN chat right now

 Sue are you reading there? What is he saying?

ppl are asking him questions  of things they have read online like joran being in school monday or not being there
 Someone said they was sorry dave had to hear and read all teh lies and
dave responded that ppl like to add to those lies

[Angiex911dsptchr]

"They start kissing again and Natalee asks if the 2 Kalpoes are his slaves. No Joran laughs and asks her why?

Natalee responds that her parents have a plantation and the people who work there are black guys. To her all blacks are slaves."


That is absolutely the most ridiculous thing I have ever read in my entire life. Can anyone here imagine Natalee saying anything even close to that? Pfffttt!!!!!

Only a Sloot can say something this this.

  AMEN to that San!  
<hope you had a nice time tonight BTW!   >

[Rob]

I think I figured out a small portion of the case... let me know what you think.

Joran says his friends always come to him for condoms... he also says he didn't have sex with Natalee because he didn't have a condom. The crime obviously occurred at the granny flat.

If Joran always has condoms and his friends always ask for them, where is he keeping them? at the beach? doubtful.. they are in his flat.

Remember when the Dutch were measuring that wall behind the VDS home?

I now believe the Kalpoes and Joran came up behind the house and tossed a passed out Natalee over the wall into the VDS property...Natalee hit her head. When she was unconscious they still had sex / raped her and when she was going in and out of consciousness they didn't totally realize that it was more than just the drugs that were causing the effects they observed.

Then she didn't wake up due to an embolism or a blood clot that lodged in her brain.

I believe they came in from behind the house due to the KLPD examining that back wall to see if a fatal was possible.

[Sam]

A few things I noticed, back at the begining of the book somewhere he talks about how he sneaks out at night by climbing the fence. He said that is also how his friends get in at night. I wonder if he made Natalee climb the fence and that is where she fell?

Another thing, We know he had acess to all the student statements. So I think some of the things he writes about there statements may be true. Such as Ruth and Natalee going to the SB, Lauren Hill festival. I thought we had been told Natalee never went but we have not seen Ruths 302.

Thanks GEL for posting the link to Ramms translation. Thanks Ramm for translating. Thanks Klaas for bringing it here.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Dave is in BFN chat right now

 Sue are you reading there? What is he saying?

ppl are asking him questions  of things they have read online like joran being in school monday or not being there
 Someone said they was sorry dave had to hear and read all teh lies and
dave responded that ppl like to add to those lies

 Has he said anything about this latest translation of  Asswipes book?

[IndyDan]

Continued chapter 8

page 13 + 14

It would also be nicer for the 2 Kalpoes because her friends would be there but she said "No, no, no, no, not to my hotel".

Deepak says maybe we should drive by the lighthouse. Joran receives a text message from Flor but cannot remember what it said, but he did not respond.

Then it writes about the route they drove (certified supercenter, Kong hing supermarket) etc. etc.

That at about Hooters Natalee and he started kissing. They kissed for a long time until they reach McD's, they drive past there and her hotel because she does not want to go there.

Joran asks Deepak if they are going to the lighthouse, he says they are but never make it there.

When the drive past the Marriot Natalee half way falls asleep on his leg. Joran thinks to himself that he is drunk too, but not so drunk that he would fall asleep. She startles awake.

"Are you OK", Joran asks and she confirms that she is and starts kissing him again. Natalee places one hand on Joran's crotch. I take my hand and put it between her legs, with the other hand I start fondling her breasts. When we drive past the Marriot towards Tierra del Sol, Joran pushes Natalee's panties to one side and starts masturbating/fingering her with 2 fingers. Joran thinks Natalee has had a shave in the pubic area and is hairless. During this time the kissing still continues. It is starting to get very hot in the car and he stops fingering her, in part due to the fact that it is a bit embarrassing with the 2 Kalpoes in the same car.

They start kissing again and Natalee asks if the 2 Kalpoes are his slaves. No Joran laughs and asks her why?

Natalee responds that her parents have a plantation and the people who work there are black guys. To her all blacks are slaves.

Joran does not know if the Kalpoes heard this or not.

Then Natalee and Joran are dropped off at the side of the Marriot and they walk to the beach. Deepak says that he should call if he needs a ride home. This he asks because he knows what is going to happen now, due to all the kissing in the back seat, they drive home.

Natalee and Joran walk kissing to the beach, him helping her walk due to her inebriation. Joran takes off his K-swiss because he does not want sand in them and they walk towards her hotel.

when she realizes this, she heads into the other direction.

Joran thinks the spot is fine, they lay down on the sand and start kissing again. He puts his shoes on the beach.

After a while Natalee gets up and says "let's go to the jacuzzi, or better yet, lets go this way". They head into the direction where it is much more quiet because there are no hotels on the beach there, they walk away from the HI towards the fishermans huts.

Hand in hand they walk through the water and talk about all kind of things.

They get to the beach and get down in the sand again. She on the bottom and he on top of her. They start kissing and fondling each other, heavy petting/dry f***ing so to speak. I am looking for my wallet and think/realize, no condom and curses to himself knowing that this means no intercourse

This is a sicko whose seen one too many porn movies. Too bad Natalee can't rebuke this absurdity.  This loser could never be is the same game with a class act like Natalee if not for date rape drugs and sleezy dirtbag buddies.
Fondling, dry f***ing, kissing --- he's just changing rolls with his MOM.  Afterall, according to her, he's delicious, ;must mean she's tatsted him.

[BTgirl]

For Joran:

                         

[Angiex911dsptchr]

TY to Ramm for the translations..  Klaas TY as well for posting them.

[Sue]

Dave is in BFN chat right now

 Sue are you reading there? What is he saying?

ppl are asking him questions  of things they have read online like joran being in school monday or not being there
 Someone said they was sorry dave had to hear and read all teh lies and
dave responded that ppl like to add to those lies

 Has he said anything about this latest translation of  Asswipes book?

 ppl are aksing righ tnow about some of that as they read what ramm post, There i salot of ppl in chat I think dave is lost a novious chatter

[Angiex911dsptchr]

For Joran:

                         

 OH BT.. I so wanna say sumpin bad.. and I am refraining.. LOL

[Sue]

As I figured Debbie asked that ppl slow down i think dave is lost
and to much crap inbetween ppl need to leave out the hi's and goodbyes just takes up space