Lively Case Discussion #629 5/26 - 5/28/2007

[Tylergal]

No Way

...is Deepak texting Joran at 2:46 and telling him to call him to let him know he got home allright.

...if Satish is picking him up/driving him home at the same time.

Did Not Happen

If Satish picked up Joran, then why did he ask about the girl in his statements?

did not happen.

[igsigs]

Do we know who Luis and Joshua are?

Never heard of them but Ramm said that Joran was trying to cast suspicion on them in the book. So, probably not close friends.

[Tylergal]

i wonder why KJ used the heavy beating charge on Guido,if she fell.I think she was beaten and /or dropped.

I have always wondered about that heavy battery charge-either someone has seen the body or someone is a witness.

Van der Straten has seen the body.  JMO.

I agree. VD Stratten saw the body.

I never visited those other sites, but I believe that JR was part of the cover-up. If nothing else, she kept the Sloots informed of info she was privy to and manipulated info going to Beth to draw them away from where the focus should have been. I believe she was a mole in the camp and used information to actively help cover up Joran's guilt.

[ldstlou]

Joran writes that he knows his dad will not allow him to go because he has a mock exam in the morning to prepare him for Wednesday's real thing. They walk to the sports bar and there he meets Luis and Joshua. They greet, Luis and Joshua are also C&C veterans, they pick up girls there.

Do we know who Luis and Joshua are?

Nope, I have no idea.  I'll look through Joran's character witnesses, maybe something there.

any luck? so strange we are hearing of these guys for 1st time...don't you think...and not just in passing...he adds they are CnC vets...they pick up girls too...blaming yet even more people?!

[Tylergal]

I agree that they beat her, also.  With Joran's penchant for violence, if Natalee aroused and resisted, he would have hit her, I have no doubt.  There's also the line from the police car conversation about them seeing that "shit."  That refers to beating marks on Natalee.  

The declarations about her falling down and hitting her head indicate either a head wound from a beating or perhaps they dropped her body when lifting her over the fence.  Perhaps both occurred.  I wonder if we'll ever know.

"If they find the girl, they are going to find all that shit.... (yes, the fingerprints and shoeprints from Joran)... and you are going to get 15 years. (sic)"

[ldstlou]

Do we know who Luis and Joshua are?

Never heard of them but Ramm said that Joran was trying to cast suspicion on them in the book. So, probably not close friends.

I can not believe joran would ever go home to Aruba again after writing this book...he is going to have half the island after his ugly -ss!!

[LilPuma]

I can not believe joran would ever go home to Aruba again after writing this book...he is going to have half the island after his ugly -ss!!

Let's hope so!  Like any sociopath, though, he probably thinks he's loved and invincible.  

Greta didn't mention Paulus's 4:00 a.m. wiretapped story or Joran's book.

[ldstlou]

Who is Paul Brough again?

[Tiger]

Well,I hope he goes home has a few yards at CnC's and walks around.Bye Bye

[BTgirl]

Who is Paul Brough again?

"Mr. Pink." Porn guy.

[klaasend]

Who is Paul Brough again?

Mr. Pink - ran a website for "escorts" in Aruba that was taken down a couple months after Natalee went missing.  Has a home in Aruba and a home in Michigan.  He may be living in Michigan now.  

I've always suspected him to be involved with any videos that may have been made by the pimps.

[ldstlou]

Who is Paul Brough again?

Mr. Pink - ran a website for "escorts" in Aruba that was taken down a couple months after Natalee went missing.  Has a home in Aruba and a home in Michigan.  He may be living in Michigan now.  

I've always suspected him to be involved with any videos that may have been made by the pimps.

I read the who's who and saw who he was at same time you guys were posting!! lol thanks! Just saw where his phone was supoenaed due to "10 contacts of potential interest" Couldn't remember who he was while I was reading that. Thanks...makes sense now.

[Anna]

Do we know who Luis and Joshua are?

Never heard of them but Ramm said that Joran was trying to cast suspicion on them in the book. So, probably not close friends.

I can not believe joran would ever go home to Aruba again after writing this book...he is going to have half the island after his ugly -ss!!

Only took Joran a year and a half to come up with them, too!  I am sort of suspicious when he tries to add totally new people after all this time.

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[BTgirl]

I like Spock's timeline, but my gut feeling is still that Natalee was injured/killed at the painted rocks, and that she wasn't taken to the VDS home until Joran realized that she wasn't waking up. He went there in a panic to get daddy to help him, which is how Anita knew what Natalee's underwear looked like. The cover up began when Joran got her to the VDS residence and Paulus took over, IMO.

(And, yes, I know a whole bunch of people thinking I'm TOTALLY wrong about this.   )

[LilPuma]

Well,I hope he goes home has a few yards at CnC's and walks around.Bye Bye

I was hoping one of the bartenders at C&C, who don't get as many tips now that tourism is down, put a little something in his drink and then someone dumps him on a beach in Alabama.

[ldstlou]

Do we know who Luis and Joshua are?

Never heard of them but Ramm said that Joran was trying to cast suspicion on them in the book. So, probably not close friends.

I can not believe joran would ever go home to Aruba again after writing this book...he is going to have half the island after his ugly -ss!!

Only took Joran a year and a half to come up with them, too!  I am sort of suspicious when he tries to add totally new people after all this time.

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I agree...what is the scoop on these guys?
I am telling you...if all these guys that he wrote about in the book don't kick his a--....then the world has just gone mad imo.

[ldstlou]

oh crap...I called the number listed as Paul Brough's out of curiosity..it still works!! lol Got voicemail!! I did not leave a message of course!! lol

[ldstlou]

oh crap...I called the number listed as Paul Brough's out of curiosity..it still works!! lol Got voicemail!! I did not leave a message of course!! lol

should I call him back and chat? just kidding!!! lol

[klaasend]

From: The Black & White, Birmingham's City Paper

http://tinyurl.com/37v4ky

 
By Chuck Geiss
 
May 17, 2007

New details are emerging in the Natalee Holloway case, almost two years after her disappearance on a high school graduation trip to Aruba.

Investigators from the Netherlands, who have legal authority over the Caribbean island, have recently taken the Holloway case under review as a two-year statute of limitations approaches on May 30, 2007. Recent news that investigators have carried out searches at the residences of the three principal suspects, Joran van der Sloot and Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, have come at an important time according to Vinda de Sousa, the Aruban attorney hired by Natalee’s father, Dave Holloway.

“According to Article 6 of the European Treaty for Human Rights, suspects of a crime involved in a stalled case are given a certain period of time, which has been ruled by the Dutch Supreme Court to be a period of two years, to be prosecuted for those crimes,” de Sousa says. “However, [there are] circumstances, including the complexity of the case, the demeanor of the suspects, and other considerations, that allow leeway for suspects to be prosecuted should any ‘new’ evidence in the case surface, even after the two-year period.”

As these ambiguous legal statutes now play out, it appears that the Dutch authorities have a sense of urgency to uncover evidence before the May 30 deadline.

Aruban authorities have clearly botched the case. In a letter to the attorney general of Aruba dated November 1, 2005, an attorney for Dave Holloway requested the replacement of the entire Aruban investigative and prosecutorial team, citing the following incidents as proof that the group was unprofessional and inept.

1. After arriving on the island, Holloway went to the Noord Police Station and asked to speak with the lead detective on the case. In response to Holloway’s questions, detective Dennis Jacobs asked “How much money do you have?” He also told Holloway to “just go on down to Carlos and Charlie’s and have a beer, she’ll show up sometime.”

2. According to Holloway, the prime suspect, Joran van der Sloot, told Jacobs, “I think that Deepak killed Natalee and buried her body,” yet Jacobs failed to follow up with any questions at all as to the circumstances surrounding that event or where the body might be located.

3. Statements taken by Jacobs from Natalee’s mother, Beth Twitty, were translated from English to Dutch and later back to English, but in their final form they in no way represented what she had told Jacobs.

4. Evidence found at the sand dunes by a professional investigator named Fred Golba that included a belt possibly worn by van der Sloot (determined from a photograph) and pieces of plastic (consistent with trash bag liners that might have been used in discarding a body) were collected, turned over to Jacobs, and later discarded by him as “meaningless.”

5. In July of 2005, a tourist found a bone on the beach with flesh intact that appeared to be a human shoulder and turned it in to the Noord Police Station; Jacobs and his team discarded this evidence.

6. One of three girls who had accused van der Sloot of rape charges following the disappearance of Holloway led her attorney to believe that she had decided to change her story after receiving a phone call from Jacobs.

7. Deputy Chief of Police Gerald Dompig advised Beth Twitty that she had made a poor choice in hiring Aruban attorney Helen Lejuez to represent her and claimed that she had mental problems. What he failed to mention was that Lejuez had represented his wife in their divorce settlement.

Dompig, who has since been replaced in the investigation without explanation, is an important character. Under his leadership, the investigation into Holloway’s disappearance was lethargic in responding to events of the day and fraught with mysterious statements. Dompig was responsible for leaking news on June 12, 2005, that one of the boys had confessed and had admitted that “something bad happened to Natalee.” This sensational news eventually turned out to be a hoax orchestrated solely by him. Dompig repeatedly offered the family and media the statement that “the investigation is reaching a critical moment,” words that turned out to be hollow and, over time, enormously annoying. Eyebrows were raised when Dompig’s son, Michael, was arrested and detained, in April of 2006, for being involved in the case. Dompig himself was later dismissed from office with little fanfare in June of 2006.

Holloway’s immaculate disappearance, along with the fact that apparently none of the primary suspects are worried that her body might ever be found, suggests that a conspiracy might exist. Joran’s father, Paulus van der Sloot, told the boys early in the investigation that “where there is no body, there is no case.” During taped conversations in the back of a police car shortly after their arrest, Joran is heard telling Deepak, “I will laugh if they find the girl alive.”

Joran has offered four different accounts of what happened the night that Holloway went missing: The boys dropped her off at the hotel (an admitted lie); Deepak and Satish dropped Joran and Natalee at the beach north of the Marriott Hotel, Joran left her there, and later called Deepak for a ride home; Joran left her at the beach and walked home; and Joran left her at the beach and Satish gave him a ride home. There are good reasons to believe that none of these stories are true.

New searches being conducted by Dutch authorities suggest that Natalee might actually have been driven to Joran’s home where she met her fate. While they dig around the van der Sloot compound and the Kalpoes home at this very late date, they might want to also take some other facts into consideration.

First, there were no searches conducted by the Aruban police of the suspects’ cars or homes for 10 days following Holloway’s disappearance. Deepak was seen by neighbors cleaning his car at 4 a.m. on the night of her disappearance with a substance that was later determined to be bleach (he initially testified that he was removing sand from the car, and later changed his story to say that he was getting rid of ants).

Videotapes from the hotel casino appear to show Paulus gambling with Natalee the night of her disappearance (a very strange coincidence). In front of several witnesses, Paulus van der Sloot stated on May 31 that he had picked up Joran at a McDonald’s at 4 a.m. the night of Holloway’s disappearance (a disclosure that completely discredits the testimony of the boys’ timeline of activities during the evening’s critical events). Electronic bank records indicate that Paulus withdrew three large amounts of cash from an ATM around 4 a.m.

One must wonder why these three boys would leave home late on a Sunday night to meet at a bar that was closing in 30 minutes. Joran coaxed Deepak and Satish into that very scenario, arriving at 12:30 a.m. at a bar that closes at 1 a.m., where Natalee and her Mountain Brook friends were spending their last night on the island. Local boys engaging girls on the last night of their vacation and taking advantage of them is a notoriously popular activity in Aruba.

There is an abundance of information relating to Holloway’s disappearance that has not been properly investigated. It is clear that Aruban law enforcement authorities are either incapable or unwilling to get to the bottom of the matter. Whether Dutch authorities can remains to be seen.

[Tamikosmom]

Do we know who Luis and Joshua are?

Never heard of them but Ramm said that Joran was trying to cast suspicion on them in the book. So, probably not close friends.

igsigs ... other than the Holiday Inn fabrication ... I believe that each of Joran's accounts regarding how he got home that fateful morning as well as the insertion of the missing shoes has everything to do with implicating Deepak/Satish as being the last person/s alone with Natalee Holloway.

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT IMPLICATES THE KALPOE BROTHERS

1. "I CONTACTED DEEPAK AND INFORMED HIM I WAS WALKING HOME."

Joran is implying that Satish/Deepak could have returned to the beach where he claimed to have left a "sleeping" Natalee.


2. "DEEPAK AND SATISH DROPPED ME OFF AT HOME AND LEFT WITH NATALEE".

Joran is implying that Deepak and Satish were the last persons observed with the missing 18 year old American citizen.


3. "DEEPAK PICKED ME UP AT THE BEACH AND THEN RETURNED TO LOOK FOR MY SHOES."

Joran is implying that Deepak could have encountered Natalee Holloway at the Marriot Beach where she had been left alone a short time previous


4. "SATISH PICKED ME UP AT THE BEACH AND THEN RETURNED TO LOOK FOR MY SHOES."

Joran is implying that Satish could have encountered Natalee Holloway at the Marriot Beach where she had been left alone a short time previous.
_______________________

Joran Van der Sloot
June 13, 2005

Proces-verbaal

I, Jan van der STRATEN, police chief with the Aruban Police Corps, state the following.

On Monday June 13th 2005, at approximately 13.00 hours I spoke informally with the suspect Joran Andreas Petrus v/d SLOOT at the police station in Oranjestad.

On my question to Joran whether he can tell me what happened after the girl had fallen asleep on the beach near Fisherman's Hut, he answered:

“I called DEEPAK and he came with two dogs. I think he raped the girl and did something to her.”

To my question where the girl was buried then, he answered:
“I think that it was buried then next to the wall of the Fisherman's Hut, for the rest I would not know either.”

During the conversation Joran showed differing emotions. Sometimes he cried, sometimes he was direct in his answers.

Joran also indicated that he was very sorry for his family and that he had the best contact with his father.

When I asked him why did he lie to his father about the Holiday Inn, Joran answered that he had disappointed his father in/with that.

Of this I reported on my oath as officer on June 17th 2005.

J. van der STRATEN
_____________________


The police report:

[handwritten:] June 14th
Deepak had said that I have left my shoes at the Marriott Hotel. Deepak told me not to worry, because he'd pick the shoes up tomorrow for me. I had left a pair of white with blue shoes of the brand "K-Swias" [sic], size "14" on the beach. These shoes I bought in the United States.  What I also could mention is that during the drive Deepak told me that he was free the next morning that he didn't have to go to work. I told Deepak that I did have school and that I was tired.  I was left on May 30th, around 3:45 am at my house by Deepak. During exiting the car I asked him if he was going to go online. Deepak told me yes. Furthermore I had told him that I would call him the next day.  I had asked Deepak if he could pick up the shoes that I had left on the beach. Deepak told me that he would pick up the shoes inmediately. Then Deepak drove away.

[handwritten parallel alongside the margin:] June 29th
When I was picked by Satish around quarter to three (02:45am) I was barefoot. I went to sit in front, next to Satish. I don't exclude the possibility that I had sand on my feet. Definitely did white sand from my feet stay behind on the floormat of the Honda. I had left my shoes (sneakers) on the beach. I had told Satish where I had left my shoes (sneakers). Translation Credit: Arubagirl