Lively Case Discussion #629 5/26 - 5/28/2007

[San]

that I tried to wake her up by shaking her but that that also did not have any result.



what else did they try

 

Well, they could have called EMS or they could have called Paulus?  But Paulus would know a doctor to call, but there was a reason why this never happened if any of this is in fact true; however, I believe the reason she did not wake up is because they raped and beat her, perhaps choked her with the belt.

Bingo Tyler.

[igsigs]

 You are informing me that Freddy has stated that I told him the first story on May 30 2005 in the afternoon. In response to your question if that is true I answer you that this can be true.

Bad translation here? Can be true?. That's like Joran saying i could have known she was dead.

[Tibrogargan]

Night BT - have a good day back at work tomorrow.

[BTgirl]

Night BT - have a good day back at work tomorrow.

Thanks, Tibro. I finished the book and really enjoyed. I'll try to send a nice, long email tomorrow.

[AZLady]

 You are informing me that Freddy has stated that I told him the first story on May 30 2005 in the afternoon. In response to your question if that is true I answer you that this can be true.

Bad translation here? Can be true?. That's like Joran saying i could have known she was dead.

That's also Joran saying that he told his lies to his best friend on the day that no one knew Natalee was missing yet, other than her MB friends and chaperones who were looking for her.  Why did he need to lie to his best friend if he didn't already know Natalee was gone?

[Kat_Gram]

that I tried to wake her up by shaking her but that that also did not have any result.



what else did they try

 

Think about the history we know with his brother.
Joran has a big temper and Natalee is not doing what he needs her to do.

[San]

It appears to me that Joran feels a strong need to discredit Freddy and whatever he is saying.  Joran is accusing Freddy, his best friend, of lying.  Freddy says "we" couldn't wake her up, while Joran says he didn't tell him this.  I wonder what else Freddy said in his statements that Joran is so concerned about labeling Freddy a liar?

I agree AZLady.  Freddy did a lot of damage and Joran is trying to do damage control in his book.  Like you said why the need to mention Freddy's statements at all.  Oh boy I can't wait to see Freddy's statements.

[Tibrogargan]

Night BT - have a good day back at work tomorrow.

Thanks, Tibro. I finished the book and really enjoyed. I'll try to send a nice, long email tomorrow.

You will have more time because you will be back at work    
I always went back to work for a rest after a holiday    

[Tylergal]

 You are informing me that Freddy has stated that I told him the first story on May 30 2005 in the afternoon. In response to your question if that is true I answer you that this can be true.

Bad translation here? Can be true?. That's like Joran saying i could have known she was dead.

I think that translation is like the Deepak thing where he says "we did and and you would be surprised how easy it was.... but all the gaggmaggots were saying "we didn't and you would be surprised how easy it was..."

[Tibrogargan]

 You are informing me that Freddy has stated that I told him the first story on May 30 2005 in the afternoon. In response to your question if that is true I answer you that this can be true.

Bad translation here? Can be true?. That's like Joran saying i could have known she was dead.

Is it that he (Joran) is saying that the date 30 May is true?

[Sue]

The bigger question of the day is ?:
WHY would Freddy feel the need to possibly lie about what Joran told him
WHY would Freddy's version be so different
Sounds like Freddy needs to be brought back in

[Tylergal]

I have always said if it had been a simple case of her dying from alcoholic toxicity or drowning, they would have called EMS, EMS would have called the friends at the Holiday Inn, and they would have called Beth & Dave, and there would have been apologies from Joran, Paulus, Anita, et al, and Natalee's body would be in Birmingham, Alabama, now, but there was a reason they could not solicit help, there was a reason her body could never be seen again.  They beat her, they raped her, they drugged her and they choked her.  It's that simple.

[robots]

 You are informing me that Freddy has stated that I told him the first story on May 30 2005 in the afternoon. In response to your question if that is true I answer you that this can be true.

Bad translation here? Can be true?. That's like Joran saying i could have known she was dead.

Is it that he (Joran) is saying that the date 30 May is true?

  yes

[robots]

that I tried to wake her up by shaking her but that that also did not have any result.



what else did they try

 

Think about the history we know with his brother.
Joran has a big temper and Natalee is not doing what he needs her to do.

yep

[Tibrogargan]

Kat_Gram I only found one of those emails to send you.  Had a couple of cute kitty ones but they have gone ........  

[wreck]

It appears to me that Joran feels a strong need to discredit Freddy and whatever he is saying.  Joran is accusing Freddy, his best friend, of lying.  Freddy says "we" couldn't wake her up, while Joran says he didn't tell him this.  I wonder what else Freddy said in his statements that Joran is so concerned about labeling Freddy a liar?

I agree AZLady.  Freddy did a lot of damage and Joran is trying to do damage control in his book.  Like you said why the need to mention Freddy's statements at all.  Oh boy I can't wait to see Freddy's statements.

The bottom line is:
With all of these conflicting and damning statements --- HOW IN THE HELL did the Courts/ALE let these idiots go?????????????

[AZSunny]

Could it be possible that the Dutch pulled the book as evidence? They put the statements/evidence together, and thus the  interviews stopped? Renfro must be eating toasted crow and it is on all on email and cell phone documents with anita that the KPLD have.

[Tylergal]

It appears to me that Joran feels a strong need to discredit Freddy and whatever he is saying.  Joran is accusing Freddy, his best friend, of lying.  Freddy says "we" couldn't wake her up, while Joran says he didn't tell him this.  I wonder what else Freddy said in his statements that Joran is so concerned about labeling Freddy a liar?

I agree AZLady.  Freddy did a lot of damage and Joran is trying to do damage control in his book.  Like you said why the need to mention Freddy's statements at all.  Oh boy I can't wait to see Freddy's statements.

The bottom line is:
With all of these conflicting and damning statements --- HOW IN THE HELL did the Courts/ALE let these idiots go?????????????

These "idiots" were in the hands of larger "idiots" than they were.  Paulus knew the ineptness of ALE and he played the courts and ALE, everyone like a finely tuned violin while Anita was the relay pigeon.  That harridan was calling the shots and her minions like Scubajap, Julia Renfro, et al, were doing her lying and covering for her.  

Julia Renfro, you sick kinky headed ho, why did you lie about this dead child, you sorry lying sack of saturated ugly.

[igsigs]

 You are informing me that Freddy has stated that I told him the first story on May 30 2005 in the afternoon. In response to your question if that is true I answer you that this can be true.

Bad translation here? Can be true?. That's like Joran saying i could have known she was dead.

Is it that he (Joran) is saying that the date 30 May is true?

AFAIK, in the book Joran says he told Freddy both stories on Tuesday. Freddy says Joran told him the HI story Monday and beach story Tuesday. The book does not say that Freddy has ever backed off this statement. It stands.

But this *can be true* quote is odd. If correct it is an admission, IMO.

[AZSunny]

The bigger question of the day is ?:
WHY would Freddy feel the need to possibly lie about what Joran told him
WHY would Freddy's version be so different
Sounds like Freddy needs to be brought back in

Maybe he has been brought back in, and he is talking!