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« on: May 28, 2007, 11:11:31 PM »

Let's hope 2007 brings Justice for Natalee

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« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2007, 11:41:40 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2007, 11:42:13 PM »

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh   YEaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa



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« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2007, 11:42:51 PM »

Robots, you cheated. Laughing
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« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2007, 11:45:46 PM »

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but  but but but... i won  Cool
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« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2007, 11:47:09 PM »

To your question if Robots cheated by jumping threads early i answer yes, Robots cheated.

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« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2007, 11:47:28 PM »

Posted by Jon at Scrux (not sure who translated):

Translation- part of Joran's June 13 statement (page 160):

(police confronts me with Freddy's statement from yesterday).
I told Freddy the HI story on Wednesday June 1 at my house, Satish and Deepak were present.
I told Freddy the real story on June 1 in the afternoon at my house.
You are informing me that Freddy has stated that I told him the first story on May 30 2005 in the afternoon. In response to your question if that is true I answer you that this can be true.
You are informing me that Freddy is stating that I told him Natalee went unconscious several times on the way to the beach of the Marriott Hotel. That she at a certain moment did not recover and that we have left her on the beach. I don't know what to answer on this, because according to me I did not tell the story to Freddy this way.
That Freddy has stated that we did not knew what to do when she did not recovered and that we then left her on the beach and that I left my sport shoes behind, that is not correct. This did not happen this way.
I have left my sport shoes at the Marriott beach. I think Freddy did not understand well what I told him.

Joran about Freddy's last two statements (6th and 7th) on that same page:
After Freddy's second statement on June 13 at 6:30 pm, in which he keeps insisting that I told him the first story already on May 30, the police confronts us as best friends with eachother. Some statements follow.
In the end Freddy states in his 6th and 7th statement that I have told him that Natalee had went unconscious several times and did not recover anymore at a certain moment, that I tried to wake her up by shaking her but that that also did not have any result.

Part from Freddy's second (June 13) statement (page 161) :
During the entire conversation Joran mentioned "We" not "I", also when he said that "We" had left the girl behind.
Joran did not tell me the girl was dead. He never used the word "dead". He also did not say if he checked her wrists to see if she still had a wrist-beat (pulse-beat/heartbeat), and if she was still breathing.
I got the impression he was assuming he had left her behind alive. He also did not tell me that other people had come to him. Joran does not use drugs. Joran also did not tell me that he had given the girl drugs or that he saw her using drugs.


Book about Tuesday afternoon:

It is allready 4 pm in the afternoon when I sign my witness statement, and my father and I leave the interrogation room.
On the way out I see Deepak sitting in the waitingroom. I greet him and ask him to call me when he is finished. My head is spinning. I gave a false statement to the police. I never thought that I would have to go to the police.
We are walking out of the building and I hope that Deepak and Satish will tell the same story. I am getting all nervous from the idea that maybe truly something has happened to Natalee. But I have the feeling the police did believe us (us?).
They have no reason not to believe us. I tell my father that I am hungry and we go to eat something at Taco Bell in Noord. After we have eaten we directly go home.
Arrived home I am sitting on my bed thinking, all sort of things are going through my mind. Ik am very scared because we have lied, but I have the feeling that I cannpot go back anymore.
I tell my father that I want to talk to Freddy to talk about this whole thing.
Freddy practically lives next to me and is one of my best friends.
When I arrive there Freddy is not yet home, so I talk to his sister for a while.
After ten minutes Freddy is home, I tell him that I want to talk to him and we go to his room. I tell him first what really happened, that I have left the girl alone on the beach. After that I tell him that Satish Deepak and I have been at the police station and have given false statements***. I explain to him that I, when my father called me to tell me the family of a missing girl was in front of our door, I was flipping enormously and that Deepak and I then decided to lie.
Freddy is silent for a while. "I understand it a little" he then says.
I feel so relieved that I am able to at least talk about this with one person. I know that I can trust Freddy, but I am the most relieved that he could understand why I had lied.
Can you keep this a secret I ask him, If anyone asks you something you just have to say that I told you we have dropped Natalee at the HI, because we have already lied to the police and I truly do not want any problems.
Freddy says: No problem, you know you can trust me?
I tell Freddy nothing more and somewhat relieved I say goodbye to him and his family.
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« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2007, 11:47:45 PM »

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To your question if Robots cheated by jumping threads early i answer yes, Robots cheated.

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stop it

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« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2007, 11:51:54 PM »

im simply on a differnet schedule
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« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2007, 12:01:02 AM »

Tylergal wrote:
Grande wrote:
Tylergal wrote:
Tibrogargan wrote:
klaasend wrote:
PAUL VAN DER SLOOT KNOWS, ANITA VAN DER SLOOT KNOWS!

PVDS helped dispose of the body and get rid of evidence. They should all be in jail.


And Anita directed operations


I tihnk she saw Natalee's body. I think whomever made that movie that was a play on Natalee's disappearance was right. The mother of the boy was the one who was the director and most guilty party. I want to see that fat fish wife cuffed if they can find a pair big enough for her wrists that are bigger than my thighs. The very audacity of that evil winch wearing a Natalee bracelet makes my BP go through the ceiling. I can still see that little fat dictator calling the shots in that ugly plastic coat.


I would be willing to bet Freddy & Guido also witnessed Natalee's lifeless body, and that breaks my heart to say it. Guido is an almost certainty in my opinion given his absence from the Tacopina response affadavit witness list.

On the other hand, Freddy's presence on that same witness list could suggest he had little to do with the physical crime, JMO.

Tacopina knows what happended, also JMO.


On one of the websites, Val's friend said they saw her lifeless body in their bathtub and some girls posted a bloody girl that looked like Natalee in a bathtub on one of those 'my space' sites. They took it down rather quickly, but I saw it. It was not Natalee, but an older blond lady, about 30ish who had similar look to Natalee, with blood all over her. The picture was in black & white but the blood was red.


That's probably the most likely scenario I have heard to date. I still think they made it to Arashi Beach as per multiple statements from Deepak. Joran's shoes are missing because Nat threw up on them and Deepak attempted to clean it out @ Arashi, hence the urination alibi.

ARUBA, FREDDY, GUIDO, VALENTIJN, do what is right! Natalee died in Joran's presence! It may or may not have been a result of Joran's actions, however the lack of resolution IS!
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« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2007, 12:01:17 AM »

OK - who snuck over hear early???



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« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2007, 12:01:51 AM »

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« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2007, 12:02:40 AM »

why do i get such charge out of something so foolish  Cool


something about being 10 years old again

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« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2007, 12:04:19 AM »

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« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2007, 12:04:52 AM »

Looks to me like a robotic creation named Ravi  Wink  Wink
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« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2007, 12:05:02 AM »

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why do i get such charge out of something so foolish  Cool


something about being 10 years old again

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That's OK Robots, I still step in water puddles to splash the person walking next to me  Laughing
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« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2007, 12:05:23 AM »

Sunfreak ~ No matter what your news may be, we will all be here holding your hands, encouraging you, and keeping you in our hearts and prayers.  You are a huge part of this team, and we need you here.  smooch
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« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2007, 12:06:04 AM »

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You cheated again.  This time I wasn't paying attention because I was going to bed. Laughing
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« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2007, 12:07:10 AM »

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Tylergal wrote:
Grande wrote:
Tylergal wrote:
Tibrogargan wrote:
klaasend wrote:
PAUL VAN DER SLOOT KNOWS, ANITA VAN DER SLOOT KNOWS!

PVDS helped dispose of the body and get rid of evidence. They should all be in jail.


And Anita directed operations


I tihnk she saw Natalee's body. I think whomever made that movie that was a play on Natalee's disappearance was right. The mother of the boy was the one who was the director and most guilty party. I want to see that fat fish wife cuffed if they can find a pair big enough for her wrists that are bigger than my thighs. The very audacity of that evil winch wearing a Natalee bracelet makes my BP go through the ceiling. I can still see that little fat dictator calling the shots in that ugly plastic coat.


I would be willing to bet Freddy & Guido also witnessed Natalee's lifeless body, and that breaks my heart to say it. Guido is an almost certainty in my opinion given his absence from the Tacopina response affadavit witness list.

On the other hand, Freddy's presence on that same witness list could suggest he had little to do with the physical crime, JMO.

Tacopina knows what happended, also JMO.


On one of the websites, Val's friend said they saw her lifeless body in their bathtub and some girls posted a bloody girl that looked like Natalee in a bathtub on one of those 'my space' sites. They took it down rather quickly, but I saw it. It was not Natalee, but an older blond lady, about 30ish who had similar look to Natalee, with blood all over her. The picture was in black & white but the blood was red.


That's probably the most likely scenario I have heard to date. I still think they made it to Arashi Beach as per multiple statements from Deepak. Joran's shoes are missing because Nat threw up on them and Deepak attempted to clean it out @ Arashi, hence the urination alibi.

ARUBA, FREDDY, GUIDO, VALENTIJN, do what is right! Natalee died in Joran's presence! It may or may not have been a result of Joran's actions, however the lack of resolution IS!
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« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2007, 12:09:03 AM »

Klaas ... I do not believe that Freddy made a mistake regarding the date which he claims in his declaration that Joran relayed the Marriot Beach story to him.  The date had to be May 30, 2005 because ... Freddy  continues to discuss his encounter the "next day" with Joran at the Raquet Ball club.  Could Freddie have confused the two dates?

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Freddy Zedan
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June 12, 2005

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Monday afternoon on the 30th, Joran came to my house. He told met that the previous day, Sunday, he had befriended a girl in the Holiday Inn casino and that she had invited him to come to Carlos and Charlies that evening. He went and they danced and drank together. After that he, Deepak Satish and the girl drove off. Her friends saw that. The drove in the direction of the Lighthouse; a white car was behind them and most likely wanted to race Deepak. But that is something Deepak would never do. Joran told me that he fingered and had french kissed the girl while they were driving. He did not say that he had had sex with her. They drove to the Lighthouse, she wanted to see sharks. But Deepak only drove up to the Lighthouse because his car is very low to the ground and cannot drive up to the North side of Aruba. The girl had said to Joran that if Deepak and Satish would have lived in her town, they would be slaves. After that they drove to the hotel. When the girl had pushed open the door of the car, she fell to the ground. Joran wanted to help her but she shoved him away. (....)

The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub ....

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