Lively Case Discussion #630 5/28 - 5/29/2007

[San]

Does Joran know what happened with Natalee’s body?

This book and all the various statements we have seen indicate that ALE had Joran by the short hairs, but the investigation fell short due to the lack of a body, or other forensic evidence.  Why didn’t he break and tell them what became of Natalee?  The logical conclusion would be that he doesn’t know.  Someone that knew Joran very well stepped in and took care of that portion of the crime.  That person also knew Joran’s propensity to run his mouth, so he cut him out of the loop when the disposal was undertaken.
   
Just trying to make some sense out of this crazy situation…

Morning, Easy. I think Joran knew what HE did with her body, but once Paulus and his band of merry cover up men became involved, I think they did cut Joran out of the loop.

If we take what we have read and heard, it does start to paint a picture of what happened that night.  We also know that Joran is a lying POS and that Freddy would gain nothing by creating the story about the beach.  So let’s assume Joran did indeed tell Freddy that story that day.  He probably was still half wasted and needed to get it off his chest.  He tells Freddy that they picked up an American tourist the night before and things went crazy.  They dumped her at the beach after they couldn’t revive her.

So, Joran and someone else were with Natalee at the beach.  Joran might have been too far gone to even remember if it was Deepak or Satish.  My guess is that Deepak took the car and left the other two behind in order to try and establish an alibi.  Joran and Satish then hid her body some where near the fisherman’s huts, either in a shallow grave or just covered her with debris.  Joran then calls daddy in a panic.  Paulus goes to pick “them” up and assess the situation.  He makes sure she is temporarily hidden and takes Satish (or whomever) home.

Paulus then decides that there needs to be “no body” so he puts a plan into action.  Later he drills Joran about who he might have talked to and calls a meeting with Freddy, Jamie, Guido, Koen and the Kalpoe brothers.  He probably threatens them with the idea that they could be charged as accessories and it would be better if they all stuck with the same story.  He then reassures them that there would be “no body; no crime” and promises to arrange legal representation, if the need should arise.

Joran ends up sitting in jail and in his brilliance he decides he can shift blame toward the Kalpoe brothers and get out.  He takes ALE to where the body was first hidden, but unbeknownst to him Natalee’s remains have been moved.  He then realizes his goose is cooked and he pounds on the hood of the polis car out of frustration.

Now the $64,000 question!  What became of Natalee’s body and how many were involved?

I would say at this time there were police officers involved in moving her body.  I would put Van der Straten at the top of the list because he is the one who said I have seen the evidence.  Forget Dennis Jacobs he is too fat to move out of his own way.  I believe there is one more officer involved.  They probably took her body to a secure place where no one would see her.  Might this be a crypt or the morgue until they could decided what to do permanently.

Easy you might be right that it could have been Satish with Joran and Paulus gave Satish a ride home.  I always found it strange why Joran was telling Deepak he was home.  He probably said to Deepak I will catch you on line when I get home.

[nonesuche]

I don't know if I truly believe it all went down at the beach yet.......but perhaps the only truth Dompig told was that the body was moved numerous times  

wreck you raise another good point, has Joe T spoken anywhere in defense of Joran since the launch of this book? If not then we know he's distancing and backpedaling...for real.

[San]

I don't know if I truly believe it all went down at the beach yet.......but perhaps the only truth Dompig told was that the body was moved numerous times  

wreck you raise another good point, has Joe T spoken anywhere in defense of Joran since the launch of this book? If not then we know he's distancing and backpedaling...for real.

I don't believe the beach story either.  It happened at the Sloot home.  All these suspects are distancing themselves from the Sloot home.  Paulus could have temporarily buried her until he gets a grasp on what just happened at his home.  Paulus made many phone calls that night and a lot of people will go down if he starts naming names.  These people all helped Paulus and Paulus in turn shit all over them to his own benefit.  Remember Paulus said too many people would get hurt.  Paulus is dangling that over everyone head.  He knows all the names and he is not afraid to tell if they don't go along with him.

Like you said Nonesuche "Cut the disease off at the head".  Eliminate Paulus and this case is over.

[Peaches]

I don't know if I truly believe it all went down at the beach yet.......but perhaps the only truth Dompig told was that the body was moved numerous times  

wreck you raise another good point, has Joe T spoken anywhere in defense of Joran since the launch of this book? If not then we know he's distancing and backpedaling...for real.

I don't believe the beach story either.  It happened at the Sloot home.  All these suspects are distancing themselves from the Sloot home.  Paulus could have temporarily buried her until he gets a grasp on what just happened at his home.  Paulus made many phone calls that night and a lot of people will go down if he starts naming names.  These people all helped Paulus and Paulus in turn shit all over them to his own benefit.  Remember Paulus said too many people would get hurt.  Paulus is dangling that over everyone head.  He knows all the names and he is not afraid to tell if they don't go along with him.

Like you said Nonesuche "Cut the disease off at the head".  Eliminate Paulus and this case is over.

Good morning.  

I have always believed that sweaty bastard is right smack in the middle of this whole thing with his delicious sporter.  I don't how many of these other degenerates are involved or to what extent.  

I think a lot of people know what happened.  

I don't think any of them have the balls to tell the truth on their own.

[Anna]

[Easywriter]

Whatever happened to Natalee probably took place at Joran’s, but they could have taken her lifeless body to the beach with the idea of just leaving her close to her hotel.  After trying to shake her back to life, they realized that they had been seen with her and they needed to do something with the body.

I don’t think the three numb nuts could have come up with a successful plan, so that puts Paulus in the position of orchestrating the cover-up.  He probably did call in some favors and got a couple of dirty cops to get rid of the evidence.

[San]

Good Morning Anna.  I'll take mine light with two sugars

[San]

I don't know if I truly believe it all went down at the beach yet.......but perhaps the only truth Dompig told was that the body was moved numerous times  

wreck you raise another good point, has Joe T spoken anywhere in defense of Joran since the launch of this book? If not then we know he's distancing and backpedaling...for real.

I don't believe the beach story either.  It happened at the Sloot home.  All these suspects are distancing themselves from the Sloot home.  Paulus could have temporarily buried her until he gets a grasp on what just happened at his home.  Paulus made many phone calls that night and a lot of people will go down if he starts naming names.  These people all helped Paulus and Paulus in turn shit all over them to his own benefit.  Remember Paulus said too many people would get hurt.  Paulus is dangling that over everyone head.  He knows all the names and he is not afraid to tell if they don't go along with him.

Like you said Nonesuche "Cut the disease off at the head".  Eliminate Paulus and this case is over.

Good morning.  

I have always believed that sweaty bastard is right smack in the middle of this whole thing with his delicious sporter.  I don't how many of these other degenerates are involved or to what extent.  

I think a lot of people know what happened.  

I don't think any of them have the balls to tell the truth on their own.

I agree Peaches.  When good paid a visit to evil the day Beth went to Paulus' home evil Paulus lost and showed the world just how guilty he was.

[Anna]

There is corroboration for Freddie's version of events of Joran telling him that on Monday just as Freddie says.  Friends of Jug at the International School on Wednesday were told by the Headmaster than on Monday, Paulus brought Joran to school late and told him:

According to another source close to the case, Robert Werner, headmaster of the International School of Aruba, where Joran attended classes, also said that Paulus van der Sloot admitted to him his son confessed that Natalee died accidentally in a fall on a beach.

The source revealed: "Paulus told the headmaster that Joran and Natalee had been taking drugs and decided to go for a swim. As they played in and around the water, Natalee fell, hit her head on a rock and drowned. In a drug and alcohol-induced panic, Joran felt he had no other choice but to dispose of Natalee's body in the sea."


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This was Alibi 1.0 and by Tuesday, just as with Freddie, it was up to the Security Guard story, Alibi 2.0.  I don't think even a Sloot would tell both stories at the same time.  

I know not everybody believes Joran even went to school on Monday but I do think he was there for at least part of the day.  I think Joran may well over estimate his capacity for alcohol just as much as he does his charm for the ladies and that he was likely still drunk at school blabbing away about this.

And supposedly he rides the school bus to the racketball club.

Headmaster supposedly told this all to the Friends of Jug at the school.  Now he doesn't say that any more.  Or does he?

If his statement was taken early on, that quote is from the National Enquirer but they do get things right once in a while and that was from July 15, 2005, before the headmaster sent away for the entire summer apparently to Africa.

The Headmaster is American and I once had hopes he would tell the truth.  But what he is saying is that Joran and Paulus knew far too early that Natalee was missing and not making her flight back.

Someone may have Jug's interviews on this, there were two, it is in two parts and I think the second part is no longer posted on the internet but I remember it well.  And he said Joran was talking and saying this on Monday before news was out that anybody was missing.

So ALE has this from two sources and yet no one is in jail for doing this?

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[greeneyedlady]

Good morning all

Thanks for the coffee Anna

Does anyone have the court schedule handy?Wasn't something scheduled for June 1?

[klaasend]

Good morning all

Thanks for the coffee Anna

Does anyone have the court schedule handy?Wasn't something scheduled for June 1?

Case Number: BC363407
ELIZABETH ANN TWITTY ET AL VS DEEPAK KALPOE ET AL
Filing Date: 12/14/2006
Case Type: Other PI/PD/WD (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending



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Future Hearings
06/01/2007 at 08:35 am in department 33 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Quash (Service of Summons By SpeciallyAppearing Defts. Deepak Kalpoe& Satish Kalpoe;(2) CASE MGMT. CONF.-C/F 4/16/07)

[sirensong]

Good Morning everyone!  Hope you had a great weekend.  I just read Ramm's translation of Chapter 8 and I am so outraged I can't stand it.  Joran is an evil, lying, manipulating POS.  What kind of person could write such things, so hateful and ugly.  

[klaasend]

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW
Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending



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Future Hearings
06/06/2007 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel ((2))

06/20/2007 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Conference-Case Management

[greeneyedlady]

I've been thinking about the conversation that Marcia Twitty supposedly had with some of the students(not sure if it's rumor or true?).
It was where Marcia was telling them if this gets out we'll all go down and even Natalee...what if she was saying that if what they knew could get them killed?And at that time they thought Natalee was still alive and if the students told what they knew it could get Natalee killed?I'm not good at putting things into typed words but hope this makes sense.

[greeneyedlady]

Good morning all

Thanks for the coffee Anna

Does anyone have the court schedule handy?Wasn't something scheduled for June 1?

Case Number: BC363407
ELIZABETH ANN TWITTY ET AL VS DEEPAK KALPOE ET AL
Filing Date: 12/14/2006
Case Type: Other PI/PD/WD (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending



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Future Hearings
06/01/2007 at 08:35 am in department 33 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Quash (Service of Summons By SpeciallyAppearing Defts. Deepak Kalpoe& Satish Kalpoe;(2) CASE MGMT. CONF.-C/F 4/16/07)

Thanks,Klaas

[San]

Good Morning everyone!  Hope you had a great weekend.  I just read Ramm's translation of Chapter 8 and I am so outraged I can't stand it.  Joran is an evil, lying, manipulating POS.  What kind of person could write such things, so hateful and ugly.  

Joran is angry.  He wants to degrade Natalee any way he can.  Natalee destroyed him and his life will never be the same and Joran knows it.  Everyone stares at him when he walks down the street.  He can't travel like he used to and more importantly he can't go into a bar and drug tourists in Aruba likes he is used to.  So he is mad and he is blaming Natalee and wants to destroy her memory any way he can.  BUT GUESS WHAT?  IT'S NOT WORKING AND ONLY MAKING HIM LOOK LIKE THE MONSTER HE IS.

[Easywriter]

Good Morning everyone!  Hope you had a great weekend.  I just read Ramm's translation of Chapter 8 and I am so outraged I can't stand it.  Joran is an evil, lying, manipulating POS.  What kind of person could write such things, so hateful and ugly.  

Joran is angry.  He wants to degrade Natalee any way he can.  Natalee destroyed him and his life will never be the same and Joran knows it.  Everyone stares at him when he walks down the street.  He can't travel like he used to and more importantly he can't go into a bar and drug tourists in Aruba likes he is used to.  So he is mad and he is blaming Natalee and wants to destroy her memory any way he can.  BUT GUESS WHAT?  IT'S NOT WORKING AND ONLY MAKING HIM LOOK LIKE THE MONSTER HE IS.

He screwed up the party for all the other pimps too and I hope they don't forget that!

[Tiger]

Well,the sporter and friends were in the comics today.Guess where I am calling from,hell.I hope this ends soon,as Don Giovanni ended.The arts and life are so close at times.I think there were two crime sites,the rocks and joran's,in any order.

[Tiger]

Trust me,they don't forget,anything.Who was in Miami,for PVDS to see.

[sharon]

I guess the part about Freddy's statements that confuses me -- is I thought Freddy spent the night at Joran's???

Isn't that what we were told early on?

So many lies in so little time.   But I still feel that the TRUTH lies in the early stories. Before June 10. Before the misinformation campaign


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